The Drake Maye Discussion Thread

[TheRainMaker]

10TDs, 12INTs, hard to have a "massive downgrade" from that...

A downgrade from 2021 Mac sure.

Jones doesn't have a very strong arm and didn't seem to read defenses very well. He was pretty gun shy and a bit of a crybaby. He was also a mistake waiting to happen. Other than that he's pretty good.

Lol what?

Some of you guys are in for a rude awakening if he's the starter. He has bounced around the NFL for a reason and has a worse record than Mac Jones. When the Pats fall behind....lol you guys are going be chanting Maye by week 3. Week 1 is going to be ugly.

Even though I'm not a fan Biscuit throws a better spiral than noodle arm Mac. But then again who doesn't repeat after me May day May day.

The Mac of 2021 would have been an upgrade over Brissett on the 2023 version we saw. I will continue to maintain Drake will be the starter.

Agree. I think Maye wins the job. I have feeling Brissett never sees the field and is an emergency backup ala Trent Dilfer to Alex Smith in 2005.

 

[KCSVEN]

The Mac of 2021 would have been an upgrade over Brissett on the 2023 version we saw. I will continue to maintain Drake will be the starter.

Not sure that's true. 2022 was the last year Jacoby started and was for a not great Browns team.

Jacoby:
QB Rating: 88.9
QBR: 62.0
PFF: 82.6

Mac Jones 2021 with a better team
QB Rating: 92.5
QBR: 56.9
PFF: 80.0

It's kind of moot, if they have any brains at all and want to actually try to win, they should play Maye.
It's really kind of dumb for someone with Maye's skill level to be asked to sit behind Jacoby Brissett.

 

[sb1]

Some of you guys are in for a rude awakening if he's the starter. He has bounced around the NFL for a reason and has a worse record than Mac Jones. When the Pats fall behind....lol you guys are going be chanting Maye by week 3. Week 1 is going to be ugly.


Agree. I think Maye wins the job. I have feeling Brissett never sees the field and is an emergency backup ala Trent Dilfer to Alex Smith in 2005.

Agreed. Brissett is literally a journeyman backup and rightfully so. Some insist he's "above average" lmao no.

 

[jdlboot14]

Everyone is just assuming the "conventional football" protocol will be in play... with all the proverbial cliche's:
- sit the rookie until he is ready
- give the raw talent time to develop
- learn how to be a pro behind an established veteran
- prepare by taking mental reps

Except today's NFL doesn't quite work that way, and no one has patience to wait an entire year for a 3rd overall pick.

So, I was all on board for the Brissett year, until the reality hit - -
We're going to lose either way, so just play the best, most athletic guy you have and build through experience.
Maye won't arbitrarily be better in his 2nd year if he hasn't played his entire 1st year.
But he will be a lot better his 2nd year if he plays & struggles for at least half a year.

 

[203Pat]

Some of you guys are in for a rude awakening if he's the starter. He has bounced around the NFL for a reason and has a worse record than Mac Jones. When the Pats fall behind....lol you guys are going be chanting Maye by week 3. Week 1 is going to be ugly.


Agree. I think Maye wins the job. I have feeling Brissett never sees the field and is an emergency backup ala Trent Dilfer to Alex Smith in 2005.

I don't really care to see Brissett but Mac was historically bad in the games he played last year.

Third lowest in yards per attempt.
Second worst in adjusted yards gained per pass attempt.
Second worst passer rating.
Worst interception percentage in the league.
Seventh most interceptions while only playing 11 games.
Fourth worst touchdown percentage.

Mac was horrific. Jacoby is not a great quarterback but he is better than 2023 Mac Jones. You just need to remove the first round label from Mac and view him for what he is.

 

[sb1]

Maye didn't have a great team around him at UNC unlike Jones at Bama. I don't think a struggling OL at the NFL level will be that new of an experience to him.

 

[sb1]

I don't really care to see Brissett but Mac was historically bad in the games he played last year.

Third lowest in yards per attempt.
Second worst in adjusted yards gained per pass attempt.
Second worst passer rating.
Worst interception percentage in the league.
Seventh most interceptions while only playing 11 games.
Fourth worst touchdown percentage.

Mac was horrific. Jacoby is not a great quarterback but he is better than 2023 Mac Jones. You just need to remove the first round label from Mac and view him for what he is.

And Zappe was even worse.

Amazing when you think about it - especially considering who the GM was.

 

[Real fan 02]

Brissett played great in the game and a half of action that he played last season before getting hurt. I saw 2 of the games last season, he moved the WA offense up and down the field when he was in. Mac of 2021 was a mirage. Brissett is a professional QB who will not blink. Let's see how the OL plays in preseason.

I've always felt Brissett was a capable back up. He's serviceable and is a steady hand. He's been in multiple offenses. So it's no suprise mayo says he's the most pro ready. We've got along way to go. The pads go on Monday so we'll see from there on out.

 

[Real fan 02]

Maye didn't have a great team around him at UNC unlike Jones at Bama. I don't think a struggling OL at the NFL level will be that new of an experience to him.

Agree. Burrow for example got to a superbowl with piss poor O line play.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Discussions about Brissett from other teams fans.




Pretty much the same consensus as I've seen here. He won't lose games but he won't win them either. There's a reason why he doesn't turn the ball over much it's because he plays very safe football. Which is fine for a game manager but not if you need to push the ball downfield, or if you're behind or need to keep up in a shootout. And no he is NOT an "above average" QB. lol. Great teammate though and that's nice to know.

I expect Maye will absolutely be our starter at some point this season.

I agree that he is average at the very best and unlikely to carry us to wins on his back. This team is a much better fit for him than his previous teams though. He probably would have had better weapons elsewhere but dude is not a gunslinger so the lack of weapons here doesn’t really concern me. The 3 years he was a full time starter (2022, 2019, 2017) his defenses finished ranked 23rd, 26th, and 29th in points allowed. Wouldnt expect big numbers if hes a starter but With a better defense he might have more success record wise.

 

[Real fan 02]

I agree that he is average at the very best and unlikely to carry us to wins on his back. This team is a much better fit for him than his previous teams though. He probably would have had better weapons but dude is not a gunslinger so the lack of weapons here doesn’t really concern me. The 3 years he was a full time starter (2022, 2019, 2017) his defenses finished ranked 23rd, 26th, and 29th in points allowed. Wouldnt expect big numbers if hes a starter but With a better defense he might have more success record wise.

Brissett is a fine back up. Right now camp really hasn't even gotten to the point of competition yet. Everyone is in t- shirts and shorts. Monday the real thing kicks off. I firmly believe personally that Drake will be named starting QB when it's all said and done. Others say he should sit and that's thier opinion as well. We have a long way to go.. the practices, the joint practices, the pre season games... so much to go through. The thing is we do have a great D but these guys need to rest as well.. we can't have the offense 3 and outs constantly.

 

[TheRainMaker]

I don't really care to see Brissett but Mac was historically bad in the games he played last year.

Third lowest in yards per attempt.
Second worst in adjusted yards gained per pass attempt.
Second worst passer rating.
Worst interception percentage in the league.
Seventh most interceptions while only playing 11 games.
Fourth worst touchdown percentage.

Mac was horrific. Jacoby is not a great quarterback but he is better than 2023 Mac Jones. You just need to remove the first round label from Mac and view him for what he is.

And Zappe was even worse.

Amazing when you think about it - especially considering who the GM was.

I quickly changed my mind on Mac Jones during his rookie season, but he wasn't set up to succeed in any way. He was an athletically limited QB and has been surrounding by the worst skill players in the NFL since 2019. In addition, he's had awful a horrible OL, horrible coaching and play designs, so it's not fair to put all the blame on him. As I've said in prior posts, I don't think Brissett sees the field.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Brissett is a fine back up. Right now camp really hasn't even gotten to the point of competition yet. Everyone is in t- shirts and shorts. Monday the real thing kicks off. I firmly believe personally that Drake will be named starting QB when it's all said and done. Others say he should sit and that's thier opinion as well. We have a long way to go.. the practices, the joint practices, the pre season games... so much to go through. The thing is we do have a great D but these guys need to rest as well.. we can't have the offense 3 and outs constantly.

Ideally yes hes a good back up / fringe starter but sadly thats still well better than what we had last year. Its hard to tell right now who should start, all you really have to go off of is the scouting reports. It sounded like maye needed alot of work and experience so im keeping my expectations low for him year 1. Would love to be suprised though!

 

[Huckleberry1]

Or Kraft says play the kid.

If that happens we can all kiss the Patriots goodbye, because nothing is worse for a franchise than the owner making the football decisions. Maye is 20 years old, doesn’t know the offense yet, and their OL is one big question mark, so the idea of putting him out there is as stupid as it gets. .

 

[Huckleberry1]

The Mac of 2021 would have been an upgrade over Brissett on the 2023 version we saw. I will continue to maintain Drake will be the starter.

Which is a horrible idea.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Or Kraft says play the kid.

I wouldn't put it past him as he "wanted his team back" and Mayo wouldn't say no.

 

[VrabelJr]

There's no need to rush Maye into action. The only QB I would want to see behind our current OL is Peyton Manning*.

*To watch him get lit up multiple times per game.

 

[KCSVEN]

If that happens we can all kiss the Patriots goodbye, because nothing is worse for a franchise than the owner making the football decisions. Maye is 20 years old, doesn’t know the offense yet, and their OL is one big question mark, so the idea of putting him out there is as stupid as it gets. .

He's 20 years old? He's not 20 years old, he'll be 22 when the season starts., same age as Stroud will be when the season starts. Same age a huge number of Qb's have been when they started like Manning, Herbert etc.

I don't get it? You think he can't learn the offense? How complicated you think it is? He learned a whole new offense last year and started day 1.

The OL will be better with Brissett? Does he scramble better than Maye, does he break tackles in the pocket better than Maye, does he make Mahomes-esque plays with guys around him?

Putting the best player out there is stupid? I don't see the logic to that thought and there is zero evidence anything you just said is a reason to not start Maye.

 

[Huckleberry1]

He's 20 years old? He's not 20 years old, he'll be 22 when the season starts., same age as Stroud will be when the season starts. Same age a huge number of Qb's have been when they started like Manning, Herbert etc.

I don't get it? You think he can't learn the offense? How complicated you think it is? He learned a whole new offense last year and started day 1.

The OL will be better with Brissett? Does he scramble better than Maye, does he break tackles in the pocket better than Maye, does he make Mahomes-esque plays with guys around him?

Putting the best player out there is stupid? I don't see the logic to that thought and there is zero evidence anything you just said is a reason to not start Maye.

I be didn’t say he couldn’t learn the offense, I said he hasn’t learned it. And I didn’t say anything about the offensive line being better with Brissett, I said it has many questions about it. I realize you don’t give a **** about any of these things, you just want him to start, but they could easily ruin him the same way the Jets and others have ruined many a young QB, by rushing them onto the field because their fans are so hard up for a win that they can’t restrain themselves, but I, and many others, think that’s a terrible idea, and none of your arguments to just throw him out there have changed that one bit.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I wouldn't put it past him as he "wanted his team back" and Mayo wouldn't say no.

If he does that you can just kiss their future goodbye.