The 2017 NFL Draft, Day One Game-Day Thread

[skinnydog]

I don't necessarily disagree with you. No one knew Brady was going to be what he became. People seriously debated whether to take Ryan Leaf over Peyton Manning. In 1984 we drafted Tony Eason before the Dolphins drafted Dan Marino... No one knows which one is going to become great. So you really don't know if Jimmy is going to be better than these taken tonight in the draft. And the GMs know this.

Jimmy was good enough to be a second round draft choice. He stepped in and became the lone backup to Brady on the roster. When he played last year you could immediately tell he could run an NFL offense. He read defenses, he could check down to the second or third option, he did not get rattled with bodies around him, he made quick decisions, he was accurate, he moved well in the pocket. He could mentally process things at NFL game speed. We know that now, today about Jimmy. None of today's draft choices have given any indication that they are at all game ready now and like won't be for a couple of years. So I think we know now that Jimmy looks to be a top10-15 QB today. I don't know if any of today's picked will even get to that level and if they do it will be 2-3 years from now. Since they are 1st round picks they will all be given 2-4 years to develop and for those who don't develop they are wasted years that will negatively effect the entire franchise.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

There is really much more Jimmy love than hate. I have seen multiple posts putting him in the hall of fame. Rodgers this, Young that.
Jimmy is a solid QB. If he is willing to be a backup until Brady is done, I hope he stays with the Pats. I just don't think he will be as good as or better than Brady.
You are right that I don't know for sure, but I would assign a high level of confidence to the fact that Jimmy won't be the GOAT.
There have been several posts about dumping Brady and keeping Jimmy.
I believe that would be a bad move by BB.

I think he's more than "solid". He's more talented than many starters in the league. He's not going to be content as a backup for much longer, he's too good.

 

[ausbacker]

BB knows he has a great chance for next year. Doesn't want it ruined by having Brady go down and an unreliable backup. Still think there's a good chance he trades JG wants he gets a look at Brissett and how he's developed. The fact that Cleveland hasn't taken a QB yet sort of supports that notion.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, when Schefter said that the Pats weren't trading JG, he said he'd still be a Pat this summer. Why "this summer"? Why not next season? We know BB isn't overly bothered about this draft and we know Cleveland aren't a Jimmy Garropolo away and that they've stockpiled picks. I could see a JG trade to Cleveland in the summer if BB is comfortable with Brissett as a backup.

Or they really do see JG as Brady's successor. QBs are everything in the NFL after all.

I have a suspicion the bolded portion of your comment is what it's about. BB hedges and he almost always tries to develop positional succession plans. If he's comfortable with what he sees from Brissett, then a trade may be made.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

There is really much more Jimmy love than hate. I have seen multiple posts putting him in the hall of fame. Rodgers this, Young that.
Jimmy is a solid QB. If he is willing to be a backup until Brady is done, I hope he stays with the Pats. I just don't think he will be as good as or better than Brady.
You are right that I don't know for sure, but I would assign a high level of confidence to the fact that Jimmy won't be the GOAT.
There have been several posts about dumping Brady and keeping Jimmy.
I believe that would be a bad move by BB.

Lol dude it's hard replacing a legend like brady but why can't this kid be a good solid starting nfl qb? I feel brady can play at a high level the next 2 to 3 years which makes me wonder why wasn't he dealt? Very odd. If he walk after next season it will be even harder to swallow

 

[fightingirish595]

He said he's the most pro ready and I agree with that. I could see him being a game manger for a team but I don't see anyone banking on him as a franchise guy.

He also said hes going to be a real good pro quarterback, Thats a quote

 

[TommyD4207]

He said he's the most pro ready and I agree with that. I could see him being a game manger for a team but I don't see anyone banking on him as a franchise guy.

Sure, I'll agree with that statement too. Every QB that has been drafted to this point is a project at /best/, and I think they all mostly suck. Watson, as far as I'm concerned, is the only one who's got the talent to actually play in the league but I don't think he's ready right away.

 

[Tony2046]

BB knows he has a great chance for next year. Doesn't want it ruined by having Brady go down and an unreliable backup. Still think there's a good chance he trades JG wants he gets a look at Brissett and how he's developed. The fact that Cleveland hasn't taken a QB yet sort of supports that notion.

Also, and I can't stress this enough, when Schefter said that the Pats weren't trading JG, he said he'd still be a Pat this summer. Why "this summer"? Why not next season? We know BB isn't overly bothered about this draft and we know Cleveland aren't a Jimmy Garropolo away and that they've stockpiled picks. I could see a JG trade to Cleveland in the summer if BB is comfortable with Brissett as a backup.

Or they really do see JG as Brady's successor. QBs are everything in the NFL after all.

I promise you that I didn't read your post before I wrote mine. I swear.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

I have a suspicion the bolded portion of your comment is what it's about. BB hedges and he almost always tries to develop positional succession plans. If he's comfortable with what he sees from Brissett, then a trade may be made.

What selections they have? Only in 2018. They can't give us nothing right now. They drafted 3 players in round 1 and they can't trade one or two of those guys. Not the nba

 

[TommyD4207]

Jon Gruden disagrees with you. By the way Peterman has picked up multiple offensive systems, successfully, and beat clemson this year. Destroyed them

Jon Gruden thought Mark Sanchez was a can't-miss prospect. Please. EJ Manuel, couldn't stop raving about the guy.

 

[fightingirish595]

Sure, I'll agree with that statement too. Every QB that has been drafted to this point is a project at /best/, and I think they all mostly suck. Watson, as far as I'm concerned, is the only one who's got the talent to actually play in the league but I don't think he's ready right away.

Peterman is so much more accurate than watson down field, its not even close

 

[skinnydog]

Hes 6 2. Hes tall enough. Size debunked. If your lookimg a completion percentage, I suggest you reevaluate, Hes very accurate. isnt bothered by pressure. Good footwork. Joe Montana had average arm strength. Arm strength is the most over rated thing they evaluate

Joe had enough arm strength to make all the throws and off the chart intangibles

 

[skinnydog]

JG is cheap insurance for the GOAT.

Yes but so is Brissett

 

[fightingirish595]

Joe had enough arm strength to make all the throws and off the chart intangibles

Peterman has great intangibles too. And hes smart. He could probably pick up our offense. He will be good, trust me, his arm is strong enough

 

[deroc5050]

I would find it hard to believe the Pats passed on a 1st and a 2nd rounder ( if true) for 1 year of JG.

If they franchise and trade him they can probably get a 2nd rounder. But .. by that time Brady most likely has 2 seasons left at a high level. So if you were BB are you going to trade JG for a 2nd rounder in 2018.. now obviously I am predicting some scenarios, but if they weren't willing to part with JG for a crap load of draft capital this season.. just do the math it doesn't add up.

Anyway I am done with speculation on this matter. Nothing surprised me as of today.

 

[heavyde050]

I think he's more than "solid". He's more talented than many starters in the league. He's not going to be content as a backup for much longer, he's too good.

I tend to agree with that. I just don't know if Jimmy is good enough to be out Brady prior to Brady's contract running out.
I mean if 2018 Brady is 85% of 2016 Brady, I don't know if Jimmy beats him out.
Jimmy pretty much needs Brady to win next year and retire on top.

 

[skinnydog]

Peterman has great intangibles too. And hes smart. He could probably pick up our offense. He will be good, trust me, his arm is strong enough

No disagreement on Peterman.

 

[long distance]

I really feel for Joe Thomas. Best years of his life wasted on eternal kindergarten..

And how can you do a good job if you don't know who you are protecting? He hardly knows the QBs names..

 

[skinnydog]

I tend to agree with that. I just don't know if Jimmy is good enough to be out Brady prior to Brady's contract running out.
I mean if 2018 Brady is 85% of 2016 Brady, I don't know if Jimmy beats him out.
Jimmy pretty much needs Brady to win next year and retire on top.

No, Jimmy goes to whoever pays him the most in 2018.

 

[fightingirish595]

No disagreement on Peterman.

Just looked up hand size, should have no problem in inclement weather.

 

[TommyD4207]

Peterman is so much more accurate than watson down field, its not even close

Watson threw for 4600 yards last year and 41 TD, not to mention back-to-back BCS Championship games, including a win against a dynasty in Alabama.

Peterman threw for 2800 yds and 27 TDs, and went 8-5 in the same conference. He led his more-talented Panthers to an amazing 31-24 win against Northwestern. In the Pinstripe Bowl. Whee.