That's a Pretty Big Loss by the Steelers...

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Denver is a good football team that got off to a rough start and imo they have more offensive talent than the fins

I was surprised by the lack of pass rush from the Steelers.

Nonetheless, there's still alot of football left to be played. Mile High isn't exactly a friendly environment either.

 

[Fahrenhype]

It's only surprsing if you're deluded like Keith Olberman. An "elite" AFC team does not lose to the cardinals (or anyone else in the NFC West this year).

Make no mistake, they got players that can make things happen and I expect a good game on December 9th. But based on how they've performed up to this point, putting them in the same category as the Colts and Patriots was premature.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

It's only surprsing if you're deluded like Keith Olberman. An "elite" AFC team does not lose to the cardinals (or anyone else in the NFC West this year).

Make no mistake, they got players that can make things happen and I expect a good game on December 9th. But based on how they've performed up to this point, putting them in the same category as the Colts and Patriots was premature.

Wisenhunt and Grimm knew the Steelers' playbook, FWIW.

 

[Fahrenhype]

Wisenhunt and Grimm knew the Steelers' playbook, FWIW.

Yeah, but shouldn't that have been anticipated going into the game?

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Yeah, but shouldn't that have been anticipated going into the game?

Another thing-KW/RG were probably angry over the Rooney's not giving them the Steelers' HC job-that was probably a big motivational factor right there.

BTW-on a side note, was Big Ben really worth a #1 pick? He seems more of a David Gerrard bus driver type of QB. Otherwise, when he puts it on his shoulders, he presses a bit.

 

[SteelerSteve]

So, in other words, you're now just talking out of your ass. Well, given that you were talking shyte before, I guess it's appropriate. By the way, this team that got "off to a rough start" put up a whopping 3 points against San Diego last week and hadn't scored more than 23 (vs. the Raiders) prior to meeting that amazing Steeler defense.

Which is why I said they were off to a rough start, look at how many points the pats have given up so far this year and compare it to the Steelers, thats what I thought, and no I wasn't talking shiat to begin with. Just stating my opinion

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

Which is why I said they were off to a rough start, look at how many points the pats have given up so far this year and compare it to the Steelers, thats what I thought, and no I wasn't talking shiat to begin with. Just stating my opinion

Playing at Mile High is easier said than done-the altitude may have alot to do with it, I dunno.

Just keep your head up-there's alot of football left. And besides, it's that other Pennsylvania team that's having so many problems.

 

[SteelerSteve]

Playing at Mile High is easier said than done-the altitude may have alot to do with it, I dunno.

Just keep your head up-there's alot of football left. And besides, it's that other Pennsylvania team that's having so many problems.

Yeah, I dunno, I think the Denver team is better than given credit for and it was a trap game, I also personally think that Ben and Carson Palmer are going to be the next top two qb's, Look at Bens numbers this year and you will see that he is on pace to have his best year yet unless God forbid he gets injured. Ben is a gunslinger, and I am not one thats going to say that the steelers are above the colts and the Pats, but I think that they do have a better defense than both of those teams and that they are capable and do have a shot of beating either one of those teams.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yeah, I dunno, I think the Denver team is better than given credit for and it was a trap game, I also personally think that Ben and Carson Palmer are going to be the next top two qb's, Look at Bens numbers this year and you will see that he is on pace to have his best year yet unless God forbid he gets injured. Ben is a gunslinger, and I am not one thats going to say that the steelers are above the colts and the Pats, but I think that they do have a better defense than both of those teams and that they are capable and do have a shot of beating either one of those teams.

I think they'll both have to wait another 5 years to get out of Brady & Mannings shadow. those guys aren't going anywhere soon. This is only Brady's 7th year as a starter & 8th year in the league.

 

[PatriotsReign]

Yeah, I dunno, I think the Denver team is better than given credit for and it was a trap game, I also personally think that Ben and Carson Palmer are going to be the next top two qb's, Look at Bens numbers this year and you will see that he is on pace to have his best year yet unless God forbid he gets injured. Ben is a gunslinger, and I am not one thats going to say that the steelers are above the colts and the Pats, but I think that they do have a better defense than both of those teams and that they are capable and do have a shot of beating either one of those teams.

Just my opinion, but I think it's impossible to compare defenses until the 2 teams play each other. How many years did the Steeler supposedly have a better D than the Pats only to lose to them.

Remember, the Pats offense is playing at a historical pace. Out D started out ranked in the top 2 or 3 for about 5 weeks. But the more we score 40+ points, the more lax our D will play. The Redskin & even more, the Colts will be a huge test for us....then yooz guyz!

 

[BradyToMoss]

Did YOU watch that game? lol you really think Ben is the reason the steelers lost? no way, Ben is the only reason we had a chance. The defense obviously was out of their element last night and the fumble that Ben had wasn't his fault, it was a low snap and as soon as he reached down to pick it up denvers d-line was all over him. Bonehead int's maybe, one was a tip though and those usually dont work out to well. As for him not being quick on his feet? Ben has never had the speed of a Mike Vick or VY, but he sure showed that he can break a tackle and he layed into a defender on a scramble. Ben is a very good QB, he may not be an "elite" QB yet, but his time will come and he certainly isn't the "product " of a good system, the way he plays he could be good in any system. You want to talk a about a fish out of water in the open field talk about your boy Brady, hey I am not knocking him as a passer, who could? but Ben obviously has his number when it comes to making something happen outside the pocket.

You're right from a scrambling point of view, but as far as pure "pocket-presence", Brady is unmatched, both him and Manning are the absolute best at either moving up in the pocket or moving to the pocket spaces where there is the most room buying both himself and the WR the extra time needed to make a play. Brady is the best at this hands down. Ben is a decent QB, but until he learns not to force some of those bone-head Bledsoe like throws that he makes occasionally, he'll never even sniff the level of Brady or Manning.

 

[Oswlek]

Steelers' nickel package couldn't stop Denver's passing game. We're talking Jay Cutler w/o Javon Walker. Look for the Pats to spread Pittsburgh out on 12/9.

Regards,
Chris

Really out there on a limb with that one Chris.

 

[wdkantro2]

No one seems to be talking about it today, but the Steelers losing to Denver is significant in a couple of (possibly obvious) ways:

1) unmuddies the HFA situation (I know it's early)

2) tells me Pitt isn't as elite as some like to think

They can play some smashmouth and all, but they didn't scare me BEFORE this game. "Now you go and lose to Denver?!" he exclaimed, suddenly aware of the irony due to the Pats' struggles in Mile High (and elsewhere) over the years.

Anyway, I was VERY happy to see that. Shoves one more unworthy HFA foe aside as we get ready for the showdown in a couple weeks - at which point we will blow the doors off Indy for a yawner of a double-digit victory.

This game does not "prove" that they aren't an elite team. Hell, our 2004 team was one of the best in history, and we lost to a garbage Miami team. If they lose 1-2 more games against inferior opponents, then yeah, they aren't elite. But you can't make a blanket statement on one game in the first half of the season.

 

[patsox23]

This game does not "prove" that they aren't an elite team. Hell, our 2004 team was one of the best in history, and we lost to a garbage Miami team. If they lose 1-2 more games against inferior opponents, then yeah, they aren't elite. But you can't make a blanket statement on one game in the first half of the season.

Well okay. Can we talk about losing to Arizona, too, then? OHHHHHHHHH, right. He's NOT just taking about "one game."

Now that we're all caught up, I want to be clear - Pittsburgh is a very good team, more than solid. But a team that loses to what seems to be Denver in a down year AND Arizona is NOT an elite team in my book. Maybe they'll turn it around, maybe they'll be tough, but ELITE means something. And part of what it means is you don't lose two of your first 6 games to non-playoff teams.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Really out there on a limb with that one Chris.

Bold predictions are my strongsuit.

Regards,
Chris

P.S. You did bold my prediction.

 

[Oswlek]

Bold predictions are my strongsuit.

Regards,
Chris

P.S. You did bold my prediction.

It is also italicized. What does that mean?

 

[carolinatony]

Do the Squeelers ever play the Charger or Indy? They complain about our conferense but they play the Browns twice every year.
Have the Browns EVER beated them?
They had there lucky one year run.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

It is also italicized. What does that mean?

It's leaning heavily in favor of the Pats.

Regards,
Chris

 

[SteelerSteve]

Just my opinion, but I think it's impossible to compare defenses until the 2 teams play each other. How many years did the Steeler supposedly have a better D than the Pats only to lose to them.

Remember, the Pats offense is playing at a historical pace. Out D started out ranked in the top 2 or 3 for about 5 weeks. But the more we score 40+ points, the more lax our D will play. The Redskin & even more, the Colts will be a huge test for us....then yooz guyz!

I agree, I cant wait for this game and your right the only way to tell is to compare the two is wait til they play. Pats offense is UNBELIEVABLE and to say I am not worried about it would be ignorant, I also think that this Steelers team has the chance to be one of the better Steelers teams in a long time. We obviously have a ways to go cause denver did expose a weakness in the quick passing game, man they tore us a new one lol. If you look at Bens numbers though he had a career game in so many ways, he threw it like 35 times for 290 yards and 4 td's, the ints sucked but you cant expect not to have any every game, his qb rating was 108 thats pretty damn solid. Against the Pats I will be interested to see how our offense plays, I think the main goal will be to try and play ball control and keep Brady off the field and when he does take the field we will try to force him out of the pocket. Like I said, I am hoping for a good game well to be honest I would love to see a steelers blowout victory but thats probably not happening lol

 

[Triggerfish]

First, let me say that on paper the Steelers are not in the same class with NE or Indy so far this season. Bottom line. However, I'm also certain that December 9th isn't going to be a walk in the park for Brady and the gang.

The Steelers loss this past week was really just a meltdown in almost all aspects of the Pitt game. The Steelers were unable to get adequate pressure on Cutler, and allowed him to dink and dunk them to death. I've been saying for YEARS, by the way, that the Pittsburgh secondary gives receivers way too much cushion off the line. The way to beat the Steelers for several seasons has been short/quick passes. It's actually really frustrating to watch as a fan. They won't give up many big plays, and as always they're still a tremedous threat to force turnovers. Also, I think the gameplan for the game was terrible to begin with. Why come out slinging against a team with the worst run defense in the league?! Especially when running the ball has always been the bread and butter of Steeler football! Don't get me wrong, I still think Ben is a great YOUNG QB with a lot of potential, but I agree that he needs to control his gunslinger mentality. How many time in that game was it 3rd and 6-8 yards, and Ben tried for the BIG play and throws it downfield 50 yards?! Just get the first down! The O-line was horrific, with Ben running for his life almost every snap. Just an ugly game by the Steelers in general.

I still love my Steelers, and I still think they have the potential to be in the top 4 or 5 teams down the stretch and make a run for the championship, but obviously, as a football fan I realize when there's work to be done. I still think they can clean up their act and will give NE a run for their money on the 9th. Willie is a beast, especially consider his size and lack of superior blocking from his O-line this year. The receiving corps, although similar to Pats receivers in the past, lacking big-names (except maybe Ward) are still dangerous. Holmes in indeed the deep threat the Steelers needed, and Cedric Wilson has much better hands then he's given credit for. Heath Miller (in my opinion, Pittsburgh's best draft pick in many years) is having a stellar year and is always a threat. The defense, although lacking consistancy are still 3rd in the NFL in Passing Yards Allowed and 2nd in Rushing Yards Allowed. Should be an interesting meeting in December!