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Sunday – win or lose we will be in a good position for the #2 seed.

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If they lose it's going to hurt their chances big time at the #2. Colts have a pretty easy schedule.

Pats after tomorrow still have to play the ravens.

I see 11-5 for the pats...i see a tie with the benglas or colts for that. If the bengals then we lose that tie
 
If they lose it's going to hurt their chances big time at the #2. Colts have a pretty easy schedule.

Pats after tomorrow still have to play the ravens.

I see 11-5 for the pats...i see a tie with the benglas or colts for that. If the bengals then we lose that tie

I too, see one more loss in the last 5 games (assuming they lose to DEN tomorrow), thus giving them an 11-5 record to end the season.

I think we'll be hearing a lot about how they'll be expected to run the table and easily win the last 5--and while that is always possible, I have a feeling that they may stumble yet again one more time and that winning 4 of 5 may be more realistic.

Either way you see it, 12-4 or 11-5 should give them a decent shot at securing the #2 seed. As you said, it will depend on who it is against.
 
You point out the weak schedule of the colts. They play CIN and KC.


If they lose it's going to hurt their chances big time at the #2. Colts have a pretty easy schedule.

Pats after tomorrow still have to play the ravens.

I see 11-5 for the pats...i see a tie with the benglas or colts for that. If the bengals then we lose that tie
 
You point out the weak schedule of the colts. They play CIN and KC.

And they play tomorrow @ Arizona, who is currently 6-4 and has always played much better at home.

Not too many have brought it up, but they have nothing of a guarantee to win tomorrow on the road vs the tough defense and a team who is playing hot.
 
we all should be AZ fans tomorrow..as well as raven fans
 
i meant cincy...they have colts and ravens left

I know that there won't be too many who agree with this, but I wouldn't pencil in a W for Cincy vs Pittsburgh just yet either.

Pittsburgh is currently playing for a wild card spot themselves, and if they beat CLE tomorrow will likely be tied for the last spot at 5-6. That gives them a chance to tie their season record at 6-6 on Thursday night in the Thanksgiving game. (Same would hold true for BAL, who can go to 6-6 with a victory on Thursday if they win over the NYJ at home tomorrow)

The Steelers are playing much better ball lately, and although they are still limited in talent, they have the tendency to get hot and can certainly beat their divisional rival Bengals.
 
By sitting at home on wildcard weekend that means we automatically win that round in the tournament by having to play one less game...

Who in their right mind would seriously argue with that logic?

I can guarantee that Belichick is doing everything in his power to try and obtain the #2 seed this year, as he has never lost the game coming off of a bye 2 times in the same year (regular season AND playoffs), and has led his team here to the Super Bowl berth all 5 times coming off the bye.

That would certainly appear to make the AFCCG almost a lock should be get the first round bye. I'm liking those odds a lot better than taking our beat up team who has lost their last 3 on the road to the wildcard round in the hopes that we'll suddenly not only win on the road---but beat the conference's elite teams 2x in a row away in doing it.
 
By sitting at home on wildcard weekend that means we automatically win that round in the tournament by having to play one less game...

Who in their right mind would seriously argue with that logic?

Seems a # of fans here would welcome not getting the bye since the last SB winners did not have one....which makes no sense at all
 
Seems a # of fans here would welcome not getting the bye since the last SB winners did not have one....which makes no sense at all

All of these teams got the most insanely lucky bounces, calls, weather, and breaks that defied the odds in the most crazy of ways
. Last I checked, we didn't have anything near the kind of luck that would take to make these crazy runs. I believe that was all used up in the tuck rule game.

There isn't any logic behind this. It isn't the "new trend" as some people want to cling to. It was all sheer, blind luck..in every single scenario.

2005 Steelers---didn't have to play NE as they were eliminated the week before, and saw Vanderjagt miss a game winning FG in the divisional round. They also got ENORMOUS breaks in the term of 3 referee calls that took away Seattle touchdowns or first and goal drives which drastically changed the game more than any other SB in history. They literally took 21 Seahawk points off the board (14, but they also took away a first and goal from the two yard line). Of course, as we know the NFL ref apologized after the game, not that it means anything. Major luck advantage to the Steelers.

2006 Colts---lucked out in the fact that they hosted the AFCCG where the heat and Patriot injuries (illness? Malaria?) worked for them, not against them. On top of that there were about 3-4 major calls (once again the ref apologizes after the game in the form of a letter) and situations like Caldwell dropping the ball etc that all went their way. They also lucked out in the sense that they may have had the single worst SB opponent in Chicago in the history of the game that year.

2007 Giants---Somehow overcome 2 missed FG's by Tynes in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game, only to see Brett Favre serve them up the game on a silver platter in terms of a costly, and very strange INT. They use overtime to win 23-20 and move on to the SB. Then there was the helmet catch, Pierre Woods recovers a key fumble at the NYG 25 yard line to take control of the game yet somehow manages to gift wrap it to the Giants, etc, etc. As we know the ref stated that he "began to blow the whistle" (whatever that really means) on the helmet catch play. As the film points out, Seymour was being manhandled right in front of the ref with his entire head being pinned back by the offensive lineman with no call. As we know this occurred on a third and long that should've been their second to last play. On top of that there was the Asante Samuel and Brandon Meriweather missed/dropped INT's, and the fact that Rodney Harrison somehow decided to play the man and not the ball. Of course David Tyree goes on to do nothing with his life in the form of football again....how could it have been any other way?

2011 Giants---(part 2) again with the NFC Championship overtime dramatics with recovering fumbles or bad INT's. How many times is a team going to win BOTH of their conference championships in overtime, then go on to have miracle catches in the SB--thus beating the same opponent twice. It's got to be like a one in a million chance of happening.... Not only should the Giants never have made it out of either NFCCG, they should never have been in the position to make miracle catches in back to back showings....oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Giants coughed up the ball FOUR times, with N.England recovering a big fat zero...

2012 Ravens---They parlayed another insanely crazy miracle catch where the safety blew his assignment with :30 seconds left on a hail mary bomb for a TD with the chicken decision from Fox and Manning to not go for a game winning FG in regulation. There's no way that they win this game 9/10 times, and should have never moved on. In Foxborough, Aqib Talib's chronic hip injury decides to flare up per his usual horrible timing, and after being stopped on the first 2 drives, they somehow come to life in the 3rd quarter taking advantage of the mismatch of Boldin vs. Cole. As if that wasn't enough, our lead running back gets cold ****ed by (yet again...) Bernand Pollard. Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. That play ends up being the nail in the coffin as the Pats are driving down 21-13. The wind/weather was a huge factor as we had the ball inside the BAL 35 a whopping seven times, yet couldn't kick FG's due to the crazy weather!! On top of that, star player Rob Gronkowski is hurt yet again in the most important game of the season. Talk about your breaks.

They then go on to benefit from a clear defensive pass interference call that should have placed the ball at the one yard line with another new set of downs when the 49'ers have the ball on their last offensive play where SF easily scores from a yard out to win the game---had the call been correct. Again, lots and lots of LUCK...

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In a nutshell, I'm not sure if anyone actually took the time to go back and look through all of the crazy things that had to happen for these teams to have made it with their wildcard slots. The odds of this stuff happening are ridiculously slim. It has nothing to do with the "new trend." It was sheer, blind luck x1000 for all of these events to have taken place.

Unless we want to rely on luck that we obviously do not have, earning the bye is the most obvious way to a potential SB appearance.
 

All of these teams got the most insanely lucky bounces, calls, weather, and breaks that defied the odds in the most crazy of ways
. Last I checked, we didn't have anything near the kind of luck that would take to make these crazy runs. I believe that was all used up in the tuck rule game.

There isn't any logic behind this. It isn't the "new trend" as some people want to cling to. It was all sheer, blind luck..in every single scenario.

2005 Steelers---didn't have to play NE as they were eliminated the week before, and saw Vanderjagt miss a game winning FG in the divisional round. They also got ENORMOUS breaks in the term of 3 referee calls that took away Seattle touchdowns or first and goal drives which drastically changed the game more than any other SB in history. They literally took 21 Seahawk points off the board (14, but they also took away a first and goal from the two yard line). Of course, as we know the NFL ref apologized after the game, not that it means anything. Major luck advantage to the Steelers.

2006 Colts---lucked out in the fact that they hosted the AFCCG where the heat and Patriot injuries (illness? Malaria?) worked for them, not against them. On top of that there were about 3-4 major calls (once again the ref apologizes after the game in the form of a letter) and situations like Caldwell dropping the ball etc that all went their way. They also lucked out in the sense that they may have had the single worst SB opponent in Chicago in the history of the game that year.

2007 Giants---Somehow overcome 2 missed FG's by Tynes in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game, only to see Brett Favre serve them up the game on a silver platter in terms of a costly, and very strange INT. They use overtime to win 23-20 and move on to the SB. Then there was the helmet catch, Pierre Woods recovers a key fumble at the NYG 25 yard line to take control of the game yet somehow manages to gift wrap it to the Giants, etc, etc. As we know the ref stated that he "began to blow the whistle" (whatever that really means) on the helmet catch play. As the film points out, Seymour was being manhandled right in front of the ref with his entire head being pinned back by the offensive lineman with no call. As we know this occurred on a third and long that should've been their second to last play. On top of that there was the Asante Samuel and Brandon Meriweather missed/dropped INT's, and the fact that Rodney Harrison somehow decided to play the man and not the ball. Of course David Tyree goes on to do nothing with his life in the form of football again....how could it have been any other way?

2011 Giants---(part 2) again with the NFC Championship overtime dramatics with recovering fumbles or bad INT's. How many times is a team going to win BOTH of their conference championships in overtime, then go on to have miracle catches in the SB--thus beating the same opponent twice. It's got to be like a one in a million chance of happening.... Not only should the Giants never have made it out of either NFCCG, they should never have been in the position to make miracle catches in back to back showings....oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Giants coughed up the ball FOUR times, with N.England recovering a big fat zero...

2012 Ravens---They parlayed another insanely crazy miracle catch where the safety blew his assignment with :30 seconds left on a hail mary bomb for a TD with the chicken decision from Fox and Manning to not go for a game winning FG in regulation. There's no way that they win this game 9/10 times, and should have never moved on. In Foxborough, Aqib Talib's chronic hip injury decides to flare up per his usual horrible timing, and after being stopped on the first 2 drives, they somehow come to life in the 3rd quarter taking advantage of the mismatch of Boldin vs. Cole. As if that wasn't enough, our lead running back gets cold ****ed by (yet again...) Bernand Pollard. Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. That play ends up being the nail in the coffin as the Pats are driving down 21-13. The wind/weather was a huge factor as we had the ball inside the BAL 35 a whopping seven times, yet couldn't kick FG's due to the crazy weather!! On top of that, star player Rob Gronkowski is hurt yet again in the most important game of the season. Talk about your breaks.

They then go on to benefit from a clear defensive pass interference call that should have placed the ball at the one yard line with another new set of downs when the 49'ers have the ball on their last offensive play where SF easily scores from a yard out to win the game---had the call been correct. Again, lots and lots of LUCK...

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In a nutshell, I'm not sure if anyone actually took the time to go back and look through all of the crazy things that had to happen for these teams to have made it with their wildcard slots. The odds of this stuff happening are ridiculously slim. It has nothing to do with the "new trend." It was sheer, blind luck x1000 for all of these events to have taken place.

Unless we want to rely on luck that we obviously do not have, earning the bye is the most obvious way to a potential SB appearance.

Sup, getting the free win of the bye is a great thing to have. I'd bet that the recent success of non bye seeded/WC teams is simply a statistical anomaly, that a larger sample would prove that out. So the Patriots getting the bye is a definite benefit.
My disagreement is with those that think the Patriots must have the bye. IMHO some health in the secondary and seeing the offense continue its relative upward trend -- then looking at the non Denver competition, I don't see missing the bye as causing this far taller mountain. I look at Cincy, Indy, KC, Jets and I see 4 teams whose play that appears to be trending relatively in the wrong direction. I see 4 teams that are more likely than not to be beaten by a Patriot team that is hitting its stride.
Obviously if they are playoff teams they are capable. Also there is still plenty of season left for any one or more of them to put it together and hit their stride. But this year's crop of playoff teams, as of right now with the exclusion of Denver, is underwhelming. This is why I think the bye is not as important as them finding health/their stride.

One other thing, I am not making Denver the end all be all. They have flaws, they aren't unstoppable. But they are showing overall potency at a good level and deserve to be considered a tough team to beat. They currently are the lone impressive playoff bound team.
 
Sup, getting the free win of the bye is a great thing to have. I'd bet that the recent success of non bye seeded/WC teams is simply a statistical anomaly, that a larger sample would prove that out. So the Patriots getting the bye is a definite benefit.
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it 100% is an anomaly. Patriots have NEVER made the SB when NOT having the bye. that speaks volumes
 
I dont think that means bye is a hindrance. You play 2 games instead of 3 to get to the SB. How is that not an advantage beats me. Of course you still need to play well after bye which is where all the other teams have faltered. And both in 2007 and 2011 a team with a bye got to the SB .

Recent history has shown it isn't the advantage that people think it is. As I pointed out, most of the Super Bowl winners over the last ten years did not have a bye. Also, although I don't have the stats to back it up, it seems there have been more upsets in the Division Round of the playoffs in recent years than any other round. Upsets in the Division Round means that the team with the bye lost.
 
Pardon me for saying so, but I'd like the win...
 
and I'd like it if the loquacious Pewsterbaby would make a perfunctory post now and then to let the rest of us know he's still among the semi-sentient.
 

All of these teams got the most insanely lucky bounces, calls, weather, and breaks that defied the odds in the most crazy of ways
. Last I checked, we didn't have anything near the kind of luck that would take to make these crazy runs. I believe that was all used up in the tuck rule game.

There isn't any logic behind this. It isn't the "new trend" as some people want to cling to. It was all sheer, blind luck..in every single scenario.

2005 Steelers---didn't have to play NE as they were eliminated the week before, and saw Vanderjagt miss a game winning FG in the divisional round. They also got ENORMOUS breaks in the term of 3 referee calls that took away Seattle touchdowns or first and goal drives which drastically changed the game more than any other SB in history. They literally took 21 Seahawk points off the board (14, but they also took away a first and goal from the two yard line). Of course, as we know the NFL ref apologized after the game, not that it means anything. Major luck advantage to the Steelers.

2006 Colts---lucked out in the fact that they hosted the AFCCG where the heat and Patriot injuries (illness? Malaria?) worked for them, not against them. On top of that there were about 3-4 major calls (once again the ref apologizes after the game in the form of a letter) and situations like Caldwell dropping the ball etc that all went their way. They also lucked out in the sense that they may have had the single worst SB opponent in Chicago in the history of the game that year.

2007 Giants---Somehow overcome 2 missed FG's by Tynes in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game, only to see Brett Favre serve them up the game on a silver platter in terms of a costly, and very strange INT. They use overtime to win 23-20 and move on to the SB. Then there was the helmet catch, Pierre Woods recovers a key fumble at the NYG 25 yard line to take control of the game yet somehow manages to gift wrap it to the Giants, etc, etc. As we know the ref stated that he "began to blow the whistle" (whatever that really means) on the helmet catch play. As the film points out, Seymour was being manhandled right in front of the ref with his entire head being pinned back by the offensive lineman with no call. As we know this occurred on a third and long that should've been their second to last play. On top of that there was the Asante Samuel and Brandon Meriweather missed/dropped INT's, and the fact that Rodney Harrison somehow decided to play the man and not the ball. Of course David Tyree goes on to do nothing with his life in the form of football again....how could it have been any other way?

2011 Giants---(part 2) again with the NFC Championship overtime dramatics with recovering fumbles or bad INT's. How many times is a team going to win BOTH of their conference championships in overtime, then go on to have miracle catches in the SB--thus beating the same opponent twice. It's got to be like a one in a million chance of happening.... Not only should the Giants never have made it out of either NFCCG, they should never have been in the position to make miracle catches in back to back showings....oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Giants coughed up the ball FOUR times, with N.England recovering a big fat zero...

2012 Ravens---They parlayed another insanely crazy miracle catch where the safety blew his assignment with :30 seconds left on a hail mary bomb for a TD with the chicken decision from Fox and Manning to not go for a game winning FG in regulation. There's no way that they win this game 9/10 times, and should have never moved on. In Foxborough, Aqib Talib's chronic hip injury decides to flare up per his usual horrible timing, and after being stopped on the first 2 drives, they somehow come to life in the 3rd quarter taking advantage of the mismatch of Boldin vs. Cole. As if that wasn't enough, our lead running back gets cold ****ed by (yet again...) Bernand Pollard. Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. That play ends up being the nail in the coffin as the Pats are driving down 21-13. The wind/weather was a huge factor as we had the ball inside the BAL 35 a whopping seven times, yet couldn't kick FG's due to the crazy weather!! On top of that, star player Rob Gronkowski is hurt yet again in the most important game of the season. Talk about your breaks.

They then go on to benefit from a clear defensive pass interference call that should have placed the ball at the one yard line with another new set of downs when the 49'ers have the ball on their last offensive play where SF easily scores from a yard out to win the game---had the call been correct. Again, lots and lots of LUCK...

-----------------------------



In a nutshell, I'm not sure if anyone actually took the time to go back and look through all of the crazy things that had to happen for these teams to have made it with their wildcard slots. The odds of this stuff happening are ridiculously slim. It has nothing to do with the "new trend." It was sheer, blind luck x1000 for all of these events to have taken place.

Unless we want to rely on luck that we obviously do not have, earning the bye is the most obvious way to a potential SB appearance.

You can make this argument about most Super Bowl winners whether they had a bye or not. Luck plays into most Super Bowl winners' run at some point. Do we forget the Tuck Rule?

The Steelers when they had a bye, the couldn't stop the Cards' offense in the first half and Warner makes a stupid throw after what could have been a back breaking drive but throws it right to James Harrison who returns it 100 yards.
 
Only 24 quarters left of regular season football and then 12-16 from greatness. Lets start playing our best football today.
 

All of these teams got the most insanely lucky bounces, calls, weather, and breaks that defied the odds in the most crazy of ways
. Last I checked, we didn't have anything near the kind of luck that would take to make these crazy runs. I believe that was all used up in the tuck rule game.

There isn't any logic behind this. It isn't the "new trend" as some people want to cling to. It was all sheer, blind luck..in every single scenario.

2005 Steelers---didn't have to play NE as they were eliminated the week before, and saw Vanderjagt miss a game winning FG in the divisional round. They also got ENORMOUS breaks in the term of 3 referee calls that took away Seattle touchdowns or first and goal drives which drastically changed the game more than any other SB in history. They literally took 21 Seahawk points off the board (14, but they also took away a first and goal from the two yard line). Of course, as we know the NFL ref apologized after the game, not that it means anything. Major luck advantage to the Steelers.

2006 Colts---lucked out in the fact that they hosted the AFCCG where the heat and Patriot injuries (illness? Malaria?) worked for them, not against them. On top of that there were about 3-4 major calls (once again the ref apologizes after the game in the form of a letter) and situations like Caldwell dropping the ball etc that all went their way. They also lucked out in the sense that they may have had the single worst SB opponent in Chicago in the history of the game that year.

2007 Giants---Somehow overcome 2 missed FG's by Tynes in the fourth quarter of the NFC Championship game, only to see Brett Favre serve them up the game on a silver platter in terms of a costly, and very strange INT. They use overtime to win 23-20 and move on to the SB. Then there was the helmet catch, Pierre Woods recovers a key fumble at the NYG 25 yard line to take control of the game yet somehow manages to gift wrap it to the Giants, etc, etc. As we know the ref stated that he "began to blow the whistle" (whatever that really means) on the helmet catch play. As the film points out, Seymour was being manhandled right in front of the ref with his entire head being pinned back by the offensive lineman with no call. As we know this occurred on a third and long that should've been their second to last play. On top of that there was the Asante Samuel and Brandon Meriweather missed/dropped INT's, and the fact that Rodney Harrison somehow decided to play the man and not the ball. Of course David Tyree goes on to do nothing with his life in the form of football again....how could it have been any other way?

2011 Giants---(part 2) again with the NFC Championship overtime dramatics with recovering fumbles or bad INT's. How many times is a team going to win BOTH of their conference championships in overtime, then go on to have miracle catches in the SB--thus beating the same opponent twice. It's got to be like a one in a million chance of happening.... Not only should the Giants never have made it out of either NFCCG, they should never have been in the position to make miracle catches in back to back showings....oh yeah, I forgot to mention that the Giants coughed up the ball FOUR times, with N.England recovering a big fat zero...

2012 Ravens---They parlayed another insanely crazy miracle catch where the safety blew his assignment with :30 seconds left on a hail mary bomb for a TD with the chicken decision from Fox and Manning to not go for a game winning FG in regulation. There's no way that they win this game 9/10 times, and should have never moved on. In Foxborough, Aqib Talib's chronic hip injury decides to flare up per his usual horrible timing, and after being stopped on the first 2 drives, they somehow come to life in the 3rd quarter taking advantage of the mismatch of Boldin vs. Cole. As if that wasn't enough, our lead running back gets cold ****ed by (yet again...) Bernand Pollard. Honestly, you couldn't make this stuff up if you tried. That play ends up being the nail in the coffin as the Pats are driving down 21-13. The wind/weather was a huge factor as we had the ball inside the BAL 35 a whopping seven times, yet couldn't kick FG's due to the crazy weather!! On top of that, star player Rob Gronkowski is hurt yet again in the most important game of the season. Talk about your breaks.

They then go on to benefit from a clear defensive pass interference call that should have placed the ball at the one yard line with another new set of downs when the 49'ers have the ball on their last offensive play where SF easily scores from a yard out to win the game---had the call been correct. Again, lots and lots of LUCK...

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In a nutshell, I'm not sure if anyone actually took the time to go back and look through all of the crazy things that had to happen for these teams to have made it with their wildcard slots. The odds of this stuff happening are ridiculously slim. It has nothing to do with the "new trend." It was sheer, blind luck x1000 for all of these events to have taken place.

Unless we want to rely on luck that we obviously do not have, earning the bye is the most obvious way to a potential SB appearance.

Luck, or intentional rigging of games
 
1 thing for sure...win or lose the division is all but locked up
 
1 thing for sure...win or lose the division is all but locked up

Yep, pretty much seals the deal.


And the jets...................."They are what we thought they were............."
 
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