Study finds 99% of donated brains have CTE

[Joker]

99% of donated brains...113 brains donated...hmmmmm...how many brains have actually played in the NFL during the time frame spanned by these 113 brains?

See...this is called pretzel logic married to outright media trolling. 99% of all the brains are BAD!!! You see? THAT is proof!!..and I, Know R. Ofthings told you!!! Gaa Gaa Goony for ME... the knower!!!!... I,I,I,I me,me,me,me...let's burn it all down NOW!! whatever the hell "IT" is, let's just destroy it all!!! Trust me, the "facts" don't lie!!!"

I'd just like to kick one of these media jerkoffs in the nuts ONCE in my life...

 

[primetime]

It's a pretty substantial proportion of the number of NFL players who died in the last decade or so (every player who played cannot donate their brain, as most are either not dead or were already dead), when people started donating brains to this bank. It means the absolute lowest bound of incidence is at least 10%, which is still huge.

 

[Tony2046]

99% of donated brains...113 brains donated...hmmmmm...how many brains have actually played in the NFL during the time frame spanned by these 113 brains?

See...this is called pretzel logic married to outright media trolling. 99% of all the brains are BAD!!! You see? THAT is proof!!..and I, Know R. Ofthings told you!!! Gaa Gaa Goony for ME... the knower!!!!... I,I,I,I me,me,me,me...let's burn it all down NOW!! whatever the hell "IT" is, let's just destroy it all!!! Trust me, the "facts" don't lie!!!"

I'd just like to kick one of these media jerkoffs in the nuts ONCE in my life...

Roger approves of your post.

 

[Joker]

It's a pretty substantial proportion of the number of NFL players who died in the last decade or so (every player who played cannot donate their brain, as most are either not dead or were already dead), when people started donating brains to this bank. It means the absolute lowest bound of incidence is at least 10%, which is still huge.

don't get me wrong...it's not the concussion issue I'm attacking..it is the delivery method being employed by these new media cowboy types. I'm just as hacked off about this damnable "teaser" lead-in all the radio shows are using the past few years and the "hot take" sub-mongoloidism riddling the airwaves like a pestilence. I KNOW there is concussion issue in the NFL and have for the past 15 years as a fan. What I detest is some ****nuts, selfpromoting media narcissist trying to cram HIS bullshyt "99.9%" agenda down my throat. It pi$$es me off, OK?

 

[SEA_Pat]

Studies still say that NFL players live longer, healthier lives than the rest of the population. However, it seems that nearly all players have CTE. If we take St Omalu at his word that CTE is a killer, then that maths just doesn't add up.

I have read some top neurologists blogs and they say that CTE is an evolving science, and that we really don't know how serious it is. Yes people will have it, but what damage does it really do?

They go on to say that we are framing everything through the idea we know CTE is cataclysmic. Player has depression, that is the CTE, player has drug issues, that is the CTE, player drinks too much, that is the CTE, player beats his wife, that is the CTE, player shoots himself, that is the CTE, house burns down, that is the CTE.....These are real world problems and you don't need to have got banged up for them to happen.

I say again, every player has CTE, NFL players live longer and healthier This needs more studying.

I'd be interested in what studies you are referring to.

As to maths, when 111 people suspect CTE in their loved ones who played in the NFL based on the research of "St Omalu" and 110 turn up with CTE, well, you tell me about the maths.

And if you really think that every NFL player has some level of CTE, meaning parts of their brains have the Tau prions and it's affecting their cognitive behaviour, and this doesn't concern you...I don't really know what to say other than it should. I agree with the likelihood that they do. It worries me as well having had several concussions. To denigrate the guy who found out about it though seems unfair.

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

And if you really think that every NFL player has some level of CTE, meaning parts of their brains have the Tau prions and it's affecting their cognitive behaviour, and this doesn't concern you...

He didn't say that

To denigrate the guy who found out about it though seems unfair.

He didn't do that either.

 

[zydecochris]

An update on the contentious NFL - NIH relationship, the NFL has ended its "partnership" with NIH to study concussions. This is after the bitter fight between the NFL and the NIH in 2015, following the NFL's pledge of $30 million to NIH for football / brain disease research. The fight occurred after the NFL tried to steer the research, who would perform it, etc. (evidently it thought it was dealing with Exponent instead of the NIH).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2724307-nfl-to-end-partnership-with-national-institute-of-health-on-concussion-study?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

 

[Tony2046]

The NFL's medical head guru. Tells the whole world there is nothing to worry about.

 

[TB_Helmet]

An update on the contentious NFL - NIH relationship, the NFL has ended its "partnership" with NIH to study concussions. This is after the bitter fight between the NFL and the NIH in 2015, following the NFL's pledge of $30 million to NIH for football / brain disease research. The fight occurred after the NFL tried to steer the research, who would perform it, etc. (evidently it thought it was dealing with Exponent instead of the NIH).

http://bleacherreport.com/articles/2724307-nfl-to-end-partnership-with-national-institute-of-health-on-concussion-study?utm_source=cnn.com&utm_medium=referral&utm_campaign=editorial

That's horrible. That amount of money is a drop in the bucket for the NFL (they owe about half still). The NIH is probably the most important organization in the world to drive forward the development of modern medicine and our understanding of human biology. The optics alone are so bad that the NFL should just suck it up and pay them what they owe.

Not that I would expect ANYTHING less from a front office that didn't understand basic physics and dragged the face of the league through the mud for 2 years, but still, another thing to hate them for and another reason why this league might be a lot different in 20 years.

 

[deroc5050]

Players did not know the risks of CTE or brain damage before approximately 2010. The NFL denied it. They even sent pamphlets to all players stating that concussions posed no long term dangers to players in the NFL.

Children playing football could be at a higher risk as their brains aren't yet fully developed.

The problem is how the NFL has handled this. They knew about the problem twenty years ago and squashed it as long as they could without any concerns about what uniformed decisions the parents were making for their kids who were playing the game.

That is shady, can't deny that. It wasn't just the NFL that new about it, it was Dr.'s too. I am not going to do the research but I am sure we could find some reports from Dr.'s some where warning about concussions being bad for your brain many years ago. I am not arguing for the NFL they are a huge money making corporation that will go to great lengths like many other huge monopolistic corporations.. "cough" Intel.. That will cover up anything that could cut into there profits. Including bribing and making huge payments so they can continue to do business.

However..

My main point of view is that players know and most likely knew back then that taking a lot of hits to the head was bad for you. When a player complains about not being able to feel the air temperature after taking a big hit I am sure warning bells must have gone off.. just as example. I think thats why alot of people called the NFL the modern day gladiatorial games. Its not because its safe.

As far as children like I mentioned before make an age limit when organized football can be played. I know its not that simple though.

 

[deroc5050]

The NFL should be donating 50 million dollars a year on medical research especially, Brain Trauma research, its there best chance to survive in the long run. Of course in the short term it will most likely uncover some ugly truths and with FOI act the NIH has to report there findings. Unless... I could be mistaken if the NFL funded the research I am not sure how the freedom of information act would work in that case because it would privately funded.

 

[Tony2046]

That is shady, can't deny that. It wasn't just the NFL that new about it, it was Dr.'s too. I am not going to do the research but I am sure we could find some reports from Dr.'s some where warning about concussions being bad for your brain many years ago. I am not arguing for the NFL they are a huge money making corporation that will go to great lengths like many other huge monopolistic corporations.. "cough" Intel.. That will cover up anything that could cut into there profits. Including bribing and making huge payments so they can continue to do business.

However..

My main point of view is that players know and most likely knew back then that taking a lot of hits to the head was bad for you. When a player complains about not being able to feel the air temperature after taking a big hit I am sure warning bells must have gone off.. just as example. I think thats why alot of people called the NFL the modern day gladiatorial games. Its not because its safe.

As far as children like I mentioned before make an age limit when organized football can be played. I know its not that simple though.

Yes Doctors knew that hits to the head could cause brain damage back in the 70's. Players knew that as well.

What they did not know was that hits to the head could cause a degenerative brain disease called CTE. Players did not know that the brain damage would continue to get worse long after their last hit to the head.

So players made risk reward decisions to play without knowing that the damage would continue to get worse and that there was no cure.

The NFL may have known earlier but they definitely knew about CTE in 2000. That's when their tobacco style tactics kicked in. Bullying research doctors with threats of lawsuits and career endings, hiring their own specialists to generate well publicized reports and created a giant propaganda machine. Funny how all the Gate scandals appeared around the same time frame.

I do agree that anyone who signs up to play football now knows of the consequences. They know the risks which is fine with me. It is their risk reward decision to make just like anyone else.

But what has bothered me the most is that the NFL could have warned parents about the risks of playing football years ago and did not. Millions of 8-10 year old kids suited up to play football without knowing the dangers. Some have died, some have had life altering damage and many may suffer down the road. How many? I don't know.

Fifteen years ago the NFL put out a report that a player could go back into a game after suffering a concussion. We now know that people have died because they went back into a game after suffering a concussion. That wasn't ignorance on the NFL's part. It was part of a blatant misinformation campaign they used to squash the concussion issue.

This was a report generated by the NFL's MTBI (Mild Traumatic Brain Injury) research team in 2003 headed by the Jets team doctor ( a rheumatologist ) Dr. Pellman.

N.F.L. Doctor Who Discounted Dangers of Head Trauma Retires

Here's a great documentary to watch if you have time from Front line: The League of Denial.

 

[SEA_Pat]

SEA_Pat said: ↑
And if you really think that every NFL player has some level of CTE, meaning parts of their brains have the Tau prions and it's affecting their cognitive behaviour, and this doesn't concern you...

He didn't say that

SEA_Pat said: ↑To denigrate the guy who found out about it though seems unfair.

He didn't do that either.

He said "However, it seems that nearly all players have CTE. If we take St Omalu at his word that CTE is a killer, then that maths just doesn't add up."

So, where is my reading comprehension wrong? Did he not say that it seems that nearly all players have CTE? What do you think the "St" in front of Omalu means?

 

[Bobsyouruncle]

He said "However, it seems that nearly all players have CTE. If we take St Omalu at his word that CTE is a killer, then that maths just doesn't add up."

So, where is my reading comprehension wrong? Did he not say that it seems that nearly all players have CTE? What do you think the "St" in front of Omalu means?

He didn't say it didn't concern him or denigrate anyone in his post. You misunderstood his post and mine so I doubt you'll understand this anyway.

 

[Brit patriot]

He didn't say it didn't concern him or denigrate anyone in his post. You misunderstood his post and mine so I doubt you'll understand this anyway.

This is it....Omalu states that all players have it, and it is cataclysmic. As has been stated above, looking at the facts and figures, less must have it, or it isn't as bad as is stated, as we have countless players healthy and NFL players live longer and are healthier.

It is an evolving science, but we have so many studies that are misrepresented. Last's weeks study was from people whose families suspected there was something wrong, it isn't a random selection.

How that turned into me saying i didn't care about players is beyond me, and probably a sad indictment of the poster.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Semi OT: Study finds 99% of donated brains have CTE

More evidence of what we already know.

Researchers studying the link between football and chronic traumatic encephalopathy found that 99 percent of the brains donated by families of former NFL players showed signs of the neurodegenerative disease, according to a new study published Tuesday.

In all, researchers from Boston University School of Medicine and the VA Boston Healthcare System examined 202 brains that belonged to men who played football at all levels and were later donated for research. They found CTE in 177 of them — 87 percent.

While they found evidence of the disease across all levels of play, the highest percentage was found among those who competed at the highest level; all but one of the 111 brains belonging to ex-NFL players were diagnosed post-mortem with CTE.​

The latest brain study examined 111 former NFL players. Only one didn’t have CTE.

Gee whiz. Figures don't lie but liars can figure. And no one is a bigger and accomplished Liar than an ambulance chasing SOB lawyer in pursuit of an easy Buck.

If you looked at 111 deaths in a plane crash, you might discover they all died due to traumas. Therefore, There must be an alarming epidemic of traumas out there.

I doubt that the 111 brains were donated at random. The deceased displayed symptoms, I am sure. Even if random I'd wan tot see the selection criteria for the ones examined. This constitutes a non-random sample as true as the suggested plane crash cadavers in our hypothetical plane crash study.

Until I see a scare about boxing CTE where you purposely try to inflict CTE injuries, I don't believe this is any thing other than the latest ambulance chasing tort scheme.

Do some football players get brain damage? I'm sure they do; as do boxers, soccer players with their "headers", and others who undertake rigorous activities.