State of NE

[Ring 6]

Yes. I'd take 19 picks if Brady throws for over 5000 yds and 40 TDs.

Really? Since Bradys offense had more yards and more points and of course more wins than Brees' last year, it would appear your interest is only in statistic achievement.

 

[iapatsfan]

Really? Since Bradys offense had more yards and more points and of course more wins than Brees' last year, it would appear your interest is only in statistic achievement.

THIS YEAR Brady is almost dead last in yards per attempt, and his numbers are comparable to Geno Smith's. Unless I have missed something, Smith has had no more time with his weapons than Brady has. His weapons - WRs, TEs, and RBs are just as bad. Brady is the main problem with this offense.

 

[JMC00]

Without the drops Brady would have a 64% completion rating. Which would put in in the top 10 in the league.

Which would also give him more yards, which would bring his yards per attempt up.

 

[iapatsfan]

Without the drops Brady would have a 64% completion rating. Which would put in in the top 10 in the league.

Every QB's completion percentage would go up without drops. Drops are never a good thing, but they are not the primary reason for our anemic offense. Brady is.

 

[Tunescribe]

THIS YEAR Brady is almost dead last in yards per attempt, and his numbers are comparable to Geno Smith's. Unless I have missed something, Smith has had no more time with his weapons than Brady has. His weapons - WRs, TEs, and RBs are just as bad. Brady is the main problem with this offense.

This is an incredibly ignorant comparison of apples to oranges invoking sweeping generalities in over-simplistic terms. In other words: :bricks:

 

[supafly]

Every QB's completion percentage would go up without drops. Drops are never a good thing, but they are not the primary reason for our anemic offense. Brady is.

Most of us assumed about a TD less this year on offense. Let's look at the first 5 games:

--Week 1 (23 points)

--Week 2 (13 points)

--Week 3 (23 points)

--Week 4 (30 points)

--Week 5 (6 points)

They are scoring 19 ppg on offense, when most of us assumed another TD every week. There have been missed opportunities such as a QB/C fumbled exchange on the goal line, a Ridley fumble in the red zone that was returned for a defensive TD, and a bunch of drops.

This is obviously a work in progress. We're going into week 6 on Sunday and have only had Amendola for two games, and Gronk for zero.

Brady isn't looking himself, but let's not overreact either. This is still the game guy who Thompkins just stated "calls and texts him day and night," working on different things, coaching up these young rookies in a complex system, and babysitting them in general.

One of the bigger problems was Belichick's refusal to bring in any kind of veteran talent in June/July when he KNEW that Gronk would be out and that Hernandez was no longer on the team. I don't question Belichick too often, but we did have a period where an additional vet could have been brought in to allow for one of Dobson/Thompkins/Boyce (not to mention TE's) to be brought along more slowly. Obviously this could have allowed Brady to have additional targets who knew what they were doing. Belichick didn't go that route--and he's the expert, so I assume that it was to throw the rookies into the fire and allow them to learn on the fly.

Both Brady and Belichick are working through a lot of learning curves, and they are doing a fine job overall considering the circumstances. Let's not put this all on Tom Brady. I honestly doubt that any other NFL quarterback could have won 4/5 games so far under these insane conditions.

 

[supafly]

I find it a bit funny that so many aren't recognizing the fact that there probably isn't ONE other quarterback in the entire league who could babysit these young rookies as Brady is doing; texting and calling them after every practice, pointing out pluses and negatives, watching additional film footage, and walking them through every possible scenario under really bad circumstances.

And yet we're somehow 4-1, and if Amendola rolls into the EZ last week for another 1/2 inch, we probably kick the tying chip shot FG at the end of the game instead of being forced to try to score a TD in the pouring rain. This may/may not have led to a 5th consecutive victory.

Instead of complaining, we should realize that Brady is doing much more than he should be in terms of having to act as an on field coach.

The offense will get better. Gronk and Amendola are obviously going to add some veteran experience and allow for some comfort while KT and Dobson continue to grow. To this point we've played with zero real WR's, zero TE's, and even our starting RB hasn't seen many looks.

I can put up with a lot of reasonable debates, but hearing statements that Brady is the "problem" of a 4-1 team is really stretching my patience.

 

[Tunescribe]

Most of us assumed about a TD less this year on offense. Let's look at the first 5 games:

--Week 1 (23 points)

--Week 2 (13 points)

--Week 3 (23 points)

--Week 4 (30 points)

--Week 5 (6 points)

They are scoring 19 ppg on offense, when most of us assumed another TD every week. There have been missed opportunities such as a QB/C fumbled exchange on the goal line, a Ridley fumble in the red zone that was returned for a defensive TD, and a bunch of drops.

This is obviously a work in progress. We're going into week 6 on Sunday and have only had Amendola for two games, and Gronk for zero.

Brady isn't looking himself, but let's not overreact either. This is still the game guy who Thompkins just stated "calls and texts him day and night," working on different things, coaching up these young rookies in a complex system, and babysitting them in general.

One of the bigger problems was Belichick's refusal to bring in any kind of veteran talent in June/July when he KNEW that Gronk would be out and that Hernandez was no longer on the team. I don't question Belichick too often, but we did have a period where an additional vet could have been brought in to allow for one of Dobson/Thompkins/Boyce (not to mention TE's) to be brought along more slowly. Obviously this could have allowed Brady to have additional targets who knew what they were doing. Belichick didn't go that route--and he's the expert, so I assume that it was to throw the rookies into the fire and allow them to learn on the fly.

Both Brady and Belichick are working through a lot of learning curves, and they are doing a fine job overall considering the circumstances. Let's not put this all on Tom Brady. I honestly doubt that any other NFL quarterback could have won 4/5 games so far under these insane conditions.

You're on the right track with this. New England runs the most demandingly complex TIMING PASSING OFFENSE in the NFL. Brady didn't suddenly become a bad player as some idiots here are suggesting. He needs to rely on receivers to have their brains in sync with their bodies in read-and-react route adjustments. They're not there yet, and what we're seeing now is growing pains moving even more slowly because of injuries. But once they start clicking, the offense will start climbing again to the top of the heap. It's like an orchestra learning how to play complex music together without bum notes.

 

[iapatsfan]

This is an incredibly ignorant comparison of apples to oranges invoking sweeping generalities in over-simplistic terms. In other words: :bricks:

Of all the posts I've read in this forum, this could be the worst. You attempt to make your point by using a generality instead of using any data or relevant information whatsoever. Is there anything more simplistic than someone attempting to dispute a point by using the old "apples and oranges" adage? Nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent in your post, but next time refer to the dictionary before you start using words in excess of three syllables. To paraphrase a scene from the critically acclaimed film Billy Madison, "Everybody who read your post is now dumber thanks to you".

 

[supafly]

They're not there yet, and what we're seeing now is growing pains moving even more slowly because of injuries. But once they start clicking, the offense will start climbing again to the top of the heap. It's like an orchestra learning how to play complex music together without bum notes.

A very appropriate analogy.

This stuff isn't easy, especially when you're facing elite NFL defensive talent, and despite the "experts" here and their feelings on teams like BUF, TAM, and the NYJ, all of those teams have elite NFL defensive talent in some forms. In my opinion, every single team offers challenges that go unnoticed by the average fan.

A team like CIN who has a great defense, at home--coming off of a tough loss, was obviously going to do everything to bring their "A" game. The fact that we were playing in back to back road games (something every bettor watches for), and playing in sloppy conditions certainly didn't help.

I'm not saying that our offense doesn't have obvious problems, but I certainly would not put it all on Tom Brady. Thinking that he's suddenly horrible is an insane viewpoint, not to mention a complete overreaction. (no disrespect meant to the poster)

 

[iapatsfan]

A very appropriate analogy.

This stuff isn't easy, especially when you're facing elite NFL defensive talent, and despite the "experts" here and their feelings on teams like BUF, TAM, and the NYJ, all of those teams have elite NFL defensive talent in some forms. In my opinion, every single team offers challenges that go unnoticed by the average fan.

A team like CIN who has a great defense, at home--coming off of a tough loss, was obviously going to do everything to bring their "A" game. The fact that we were playing in back to back road games (something every bettor watches for), and playing in sloppy conditions certainly didn't help.

I'm not saying that our offense doesn't have obvious problems, but I certainly would not put it all on Tom Brady. Thinking that he's suddenly horrible is an insane viewpoint, not to mention a complete overreaction. (Pno disrespect meant to the poster)

You're so right. Comparing an NFL offense to an orchestra is a great analogy, and it's definitely not a case of "apples and oranges" at all. On top of that Tunescribe tells us what we're going to see from the Patriots moving forward?!?! He's not only an intellectual dynamo who never uses "generalities", he's a soothsayer as well. That Tunescribe is one amazing dude.

 

[Sticky Caulk]

Of all the posts I've read in this forum, this could be the worst. You attempt to make your point by using a generality instead of using any data or relevant information whatsoever. Is there anything more simplistic than someone attempting to dispute a point by using the old "apples and oranges" adage? Nice attempt at trying to sound intelligent in your post, but next time refer to the dictionary before you start using words in excess of three syllables. To paraphrase a scene from the critically acclaimed film Billy Madison, "Everybody who read your post is now dumber thanks to you".

You're so terribly wrong. Tunescribe has been around for many chicken little, know it all fans. Why bother bringing up numbers like two of the Pats receivers in the top ten in drops for the season? You don't care. Geno's least dependable receiver has as many drops as Edelman, our most dependable receiver, this season. Geno has it a lot easier than you're willing to give credit, but of course, you're just here to be a nancy and nothing more.

 

[supafly]

You're so right. Comparing an NFL offense to an orchestra is a great analogy, and it's definitely not a case of "apples and oranges" at all. On top of that Tunescribe tells us what we're going to see from the Patriots moving forward?!?! He's not only an intellectual dynamo who never uses "generalities", he's a soothsayer as well. That Tunescribe is one amazing dude.

The comparison of our complicated timing, read and react to the defense/everyone must be on the exact same page and within a millisecond of one another was made to that of a symphony learning through practice, until they are able to play perfectly without problems.

Yes, I do believe that most of us got the analogy just fine.

 

[supafly]

Your choosing to suddenly act as though one of the most proven QBs in the entire history of the game has "lost it" overnight is not something that many are going to understand or agree with.

The fact that you've brought in an offense like the NYJ to try and make your argument with is bizarre in my opinion. Had you used another reasonably complicated timing offense who lost all of their weapons and struggled through growing pains (yet still went 4-1 in the first 5 games), then it would possibly have more merit.

We're talking about an offense that used the "red light, yellow light, green light" method to help to teach their QBs when the release the ball.

Again--I don't know of any NFL QB who could seriously lose all of their top 5 receiving targets, their highly touted 3rd down back who showed good flashes as recently as the playoffs, and also have their 1300 yd rusher rarely get the ball and not have some bad games or missed reads, etc.

Trying to judge the offense after one month with a bunch of no names who took over the roles of Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Llyod, Woodhead, (Amendola in almost 2/3 of the games), Vereen, and even arguably Ridley isn't too fair, is it? Let's wait another month or so and see if they've made any progress.

 

[Joker]

To paraphrase a scene from the critically acclaimed film Billy Madison

heh...nominated for an award on MTV?...THAT is critical acclaim?

"As per their special 2012 schedule, the RAZZIE nominations were announced on Saturday. It was no great surprise that Adam Sandler led the nominations, but what did come as a bit of a shock was just how many nominations he earned.

Little Billy Madison churned out an unprecedented amount of cinematic garbage this year and all his hard work didn’t go unnoticed. His contributions to ‘Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star’, ‘Jack & Jill’ and ‘Just Go With It’ earned him an outstanding 11 nominations!!"

if I were wont to claim the intellectual high ground in any argument, quoting or paraphrasing Billy Madison would be the LAST tactic I would ever think of using...but ...uh...it works for you, I guess...you should follow up with a Tommy Boy paraphrase like.."doh!...that's gonna leave a snark..."...

 

[iapatsfan]

To paraphrase a scene from the critically acclaimed film Billy Madison

heh...nominated for an award on MTV?...THAT is critical acclaim?

"As per their special 2012 schedule, the RAZZIE nominations were announced on Saturday. It was no great surprise that Adam Sandler led the nominations, but what did come as a bit of a shock was just how many nominations he earned.

Little Billy Madison churned out an unprecedented amount of cinematic garbage this year and all his hard work didn’t go unnoticed. His contributions to ‘Bucky Larson: Born to Be a Star’, ‘Jack & Jill’ and ‘Just Go With It’ earned him an outstanding 11 nominations!!"

if I were wont to claim the intellectual high ground in any argument, quoting or paraphrasing Billy Madison would be the LAST tactic I would ever think of using...but ...uh...it works for you, I guess...you should follow up with a Tommy Boy paraphrase like.."doh!...that's gonna leave a snark..."...

Please tell me you're joking. If not - please look up the term sarcasm. Because, to quote another critically acclaimed film, The Princess Bride, "I do not think you know what that word means".

 

[iapatsfan]

You're so terribly wrong. Tunescribe has been around for many chicken little, know it all fans. Why bother bringing up numbers like two of the Pats receivers in the top ten in drops for the season? You don't care. Geno's least dependable receiver has as many drops as Edelman, our most dependable receiver, this season. Geno has it a lot easier than you're willing to give credit, but of course, you're just here to be a nancy and nothing more.

You lost me when you said a rookie QB in the NFL has it easy.

 

[iapatsfan]

Your choosing to suddenly act as though one of the most proven QBs in the entire history of the game has "lost it" overnight is not something that many are going to understand or agree with.

The fact that you've brought in an offense like the NYJ to try and make your argument with is bizarre in my opinion. Had you used another reasonably complicated timing offense who lost all of their weapons and struggled through growing pains (yet still went 4-1 in the first 5 games), then it would possibly have more merit.

We're talking about an offense that used the "red light, yellow light, green light" method to help to teach their QBs when the release the ball.

Again--I don't know of any NFL QB who could seriously lose all of their top 5 receiving targets, their highly touted 3rd down back who showed good flashes as recently as the playoffs, and also have their 1300 yd rusher rarely get the ball and not have some bad games or missed reads, etc.

Trying to judge the offense after one month with a bunch of no names who took over the roles of Welker, Gronk, Hernandez, Llyod, Woodhead, (Amendola in almost 2/3 of the games), Vereen, and even arguably Ridley isn't too fair, is it? Let's wait another month or so and see if they've made any progress.

I am judging this offense after one month, because that is all I have to go by this season. However, I do believe, as the season goes by, my belief that Brady has developed the Bledsoe-like skittishness in the pocket will be proven accurate. We'll have to wait and see.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Slightly OT but apparently Aaron Rodgers has lost it overnight. Geno Smith has more points than him so far today.

 

[Easywolf32]

My thoughts on NE this year:

1. Kraft is a cheapskate for not signing Welker, a move New England will regret for a long time. Boy, do they look STOOPID now.

2. Why do they keep starting Dobson every damn *(^*&^(*%(&^%&^ game when all he does is drop everything especially in key situations, I want to jump on the field and come beat him up, that's how bad it is.

3. Brady is really off this year, no TD's in 2 games, what the )(&^&^ is going on, he's missing a lot of open receivers and just keeps throwing to that moron Dobson.

4. Dumb cheap team for not signing a better linebacker and cornerback and safety all season long. :bricks: