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[Huckleberry1]

I'm not ignoring it at all - it is a factor, but that does not completely explain Brady's play. There was a time in Brady's career when he could have put up decent numbers playing with these guys, because he would have stood in the pocket, slid to an opening to buy time and hit his open man. The 2003-2004 teams were not loaded at the skill positions. Patten was a nobody before and after coming to NE. Brown was coming to the end of his career. Branch was productive for NE, but a JAG in Seattle. Givens was a 7th rounder with limited abilities. The TEs were high picks with decent skills - nothing exceptional. Brady elevated all of these guys with his poise, confidence and ability to buy them additional time to get open with his pocket awareness. He is no longer that guy. He is much closer to 1999 Bledsoe than 2004 Brady. It's difficult to acknowledge and even harder to watch.

It's not about the athletic ability of his receivers, Brady has always been able to deal with any level of athletic ability, what it is about is the reliability of his receivers, which simply isn't there. they don't get open when or where they are supposed to and need to for the offense to get back on track. That's not on Brady it is on his supporting cast. Once Brady reaches the point where he can count on his receivers to be where they are supposed to be when they are supposed to be the offense will return to form. Claiming that Brady is no longer the player he has been solely upon the start to this season is patently absurd. Brady has been unbelievably consistent throughout his career and the only thing that has changed is that he has been completely stripped of all of his offensive weapons. And although i have never believed Eli manning was an elite QB I think his situation is the most analogous to brady's, he is not as bad as his performance this season would lead you to believe,he is running for his life at every snap and simply cannot perform at his best given an OL that cannot protect him at all. I don't believe for one second that Brady suddenly lost it overnight, you are welcome to but i think that's ridiculous.


Can Brady play better, obviously, and he will when his skill players are getting their jobs done.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'm not ignoring it at all - it is a factor, but that does not completely explain Brady's play. There was a time in Brady's career when he could have put up decent numbers playing with these guys, because he would have stood in the pocket, slid to an opening to buy time and hit his open man. The 2003-2004 teams were not loaded at the skill positions. Patten was a nobody before and after coming to NE. Brown was coming to the end of his career. Branch was productive for NE, but a JAG in Seattle. Givens was a 7th rounder with limited abilities. The TEs were high picks with decent skills - nothing exceptional. Brady elevated all of these guys with his poise, confidence and ability to buy them additional time to get open with his pocket awareness. He is no longer that guy. He is much closer to 1999 Bledsoe than 2004 Brady. It's difficult to acknowledge and even harder to watch.

Basically i think this is as absurd as it would be to say that Belichick simply can't coach anymore, just look at how bad they were last week. You know, he's been great for years and years but he just suddenly lost it overnight and now he sucks.

 

[Raymond]

I'm not ignoring it at all.............. .

Was Brees calm under pressure while throwing those 19 picks last year?

 

[iapatsfan]

Was Brees calm under pressure while throwing those 19 picks last year?

Yes. I'd take 19 picks if Brady throws for over 5000 yds and 40 TDs.

 

[iapatsfan]

Basically i think this is as absurd as it would be to say that Belichick simply can't coach anymore, just look at how bad they were last week. You know, he's been great for years and years but he just suddenly lost it overnight and now he sucks.

I think it's totally different. BB's ability to coach should stay with him as long as he's in charge of his mental faculties. It's not a physical thing. Yes, QBs do lose their poise/confidence/swagger in the face of pressure overnight. It happens to almost all of them. It's usually the first thing to go barring injury. If you think Brady seems like the same guy, even considering the struggles of the young WRs, we'll agree to disagree. I believe I will be proven correct moving forward.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Yes. I'd take 19 picks if Brady throws for over 5000 yds and 40 TDs.

The Saints went nowhere last season. I will take wins over gaudy stats any day.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think it's totally different. BB's ability to coach should stay with him as long as he's in charge of his mental faculties. It's not a physical thing. Yes, QBs do lose their poise/confidence/swagger in the face of pressure overnight. It happens to almost all of them. It's usually the first thing to go barring injury. If you think Brady seems like the same guy, even considering the struggles of the young WRs, we'll agree to disagree. I believe I will be proven correct moving forward.

And i believe that Brady will continue to be a great QB when his skill players start doing their jobs the way they need to. You are actually claiming Brady is done, we'll see? I think that's absolutely ridiculous.

 

[iapatsfan]

The Saints went nowhere last season. I will take wins over gaudy stats any day.

They went nowhere because they had the 32nd ranked D in the league, not because of Brees. We are 4-1 because of our D, not because of Brady. We are 4-1 in spite of Brady's play.

 

[iapatsfan]

And i believe that Brady will continue to be a great QB when his skill players start doing their jobs the way they need to. You are actually claiming Brady is done, we'll see? I think that's absolutely ridiculous.

You think it's ridiculous to think, based on observation, that a QB over the age of 35, in his 14th season, could be seeing a significant decline in his ability to stand tall in the face of pressure? Unfortunately that is the more common end to NFL QBs' careers. It is not that they lose their ability to throw. Pressure starts to get to them more than it used to. That is why you see Brady carving up defenses in joint practices, you see Brady marching up and down the field in preseason games and as long as pressure is kept to a minimum Brady plays like Brady. However, when the pressure starts to come Brady is not the same guy. I have not looked at the Brady vs blitz stats, but I am sure they are as bad as they have ever been. If you want to blame that on the receiving core alone, go ahead. I don't see it that way.

 

[JMC00]

Correct me if i'm wrong but all of Brady's receivers in '04 had a season or two or a few in that system.

Stats for his first five games of that season of '04
84/143 (58%)
1159 yards
10 TD
5 INT
Sacked 6 times

Through the first five games of this season with 2 of the 3 most targeted receivers being rookies, his receivers leading the league in dropped passes and his offensive line playing average to bad so far this season
111/196 (56%)
1211 yards
7 TD
3 INT
Sacked 11 times

You know how many of the receivers that have been out there through the first 5 games that have had at least a season in the system? 2, Edelman and Hoomanawanui. And it's a complete joke to call Hoomanawanui a receiver.

And 2 of the best receivers on the roster have been out. Gronk has missed all 5 games and Amendola just came back after missing 3.

If Manning, Brees, Rodgers or whoever had this kind of turnover in the receiving corp and had only 1 WR that has had more than a season in the system they wouldn't look great either.

 

[borg]

You think it's ridiculous to think, based on observation, that a QB over the age of 35, in his 14th season, could be seeing a significant decline in his ability to stand tall in the face of pressure? Unfortunately that is the more common end to NFL QBs' careers. It is not that they lose their ability to throw. Pressure starts to get to them more than it used to. That is why you see Brady carving up defenses in joint practices, you see Brady marching up and down the field in preseason games and as long as pressure is kept to a minimum Brady plays like Brady. However, when the pressure starts to come Brady is not the same guy. I have not looked at the Brady vs blitz stats, but I am sure they are as bad as they have ever been. If you want to blame that on the receiving core alone, go ahead. I don't see it that way.

Brady is infallible and immortal....and....missing on 2nd rd draft picks is no big deal. Gooooooooo team.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I have been saying this for the past 13 years, Brady sucks and Belichick doesn't know what he's doing. It's about time that people finally acknowledged that I have been right all along

Pretty much spot on borges, you called this back in 2001 when they ditched Bledsoe for a 6th round draft pick

 

[Huckleberry1]

You think it's ridiculous to think, based on observation, that a QB over the age of 35, in his 14th season, could be seeing a significant decline in his ability to stand tall in the face of pressure? Unfortunately that is the more common end to NFL QBs' careers. It is not that they lose their ability to throw. Pressure starts to get to them more than it used to. That is why you see Brady carving up defenses in joint practices, you see Brady marching up and down the field in preseason games and as long as pressure is kept to a minimum Brady plays like Brady. However, when the pressure starts to come Brady is not the same guy. I have not looked at the Brady vs blitz stats, but I am sure they are as bad as they have ever been. If you want to blame that on the receiving core alone, go ahead. I don't see it that way.

Brady lost over 80% of his receiver's production from last season, and it was replaced by back-ups and rookies, no QB is going to tear it up in those circumstances and taking that as a sign that Brady is done is beyond ridiculous.

Stick with your Brady is done meme, I am sure borg and his troll pals will love it and support you completely. I am going to laugh my @ss off when Brady proves you wrong.

 

[Huckleberry1]

brady is infallible and immortal....and....missing on 2nd rd draft picks is no big deal. Gooooooooo team.

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[Huckleberry1]

Brady led the Patriots to the 3rd highest scoring offense in NFL history last season, and everyone here called him the GOAT. He loses all of his weapons and they get off to a rough start and the pink hats call him done, what a shock. You guys should really stick to Madden and Fantasy Football.

 

[JackBauer]

Brady is infallible and immortal....and....missing on 2nd rd draft picks is no big deal. Gooooooooo team.

Continuing your run for the WOAT PatsFans poster, I see. I don't think you'll ever beat Simkin's amusing gibberish but don't let my doubts slow you down.

 

[SeymourTrophies]

Brady lost over 80% of his receiver's production from last season, and it was replaced by back-ups and rookies, no QB is going to tear it up in those circumstances and taking that as a sign that Brady is done is beyond ridiculous.
Stick with your Brady is done meme, I am sure borg and his troll pals will love it and support you completely. I am going to laugh my @ss off when Brady proves you wrong.

This on top of the lack of a running game. For all of the crap Maroney took by the end of his time as a Patriot, Corey Dillon and Maroney made a good 1-2 punch in the running game the last time the Pats had a bad receiving corps.

Even with a formidable run game, he was pretty average for stretches of that season, and he threw four picks and missed a couple of wide-the-eff-open receivers in that famous game @San Diego.

I'd like to see us committ harder to the run game in the offseason if our offense continues its struggles. A proper RB would take the pressure off of Brady to be awesome for us to win.

 

[iapatsfan]

Brady lost over 80% of his receiver's production from last season, and it was replaced by back-ups and rookies, no QB is going to tear it up in those circumstances and taking that as a sign that Brady is done is beyond ridiculous.

Stick with your Brady is done meme, I am sure borg and his troll pals will love it and support you completely. I am going to laugh my @ss off when Brady proves you wrong.

To put in perspective how bad Brady has been, compare his numbers to Geno Smith's. Their QB ratings are nearly identical, but Geno gas thrown for more yds at a higher completion percentage. Sure he has more picks - he's a rookie, but does he have more familiarity with his receivers? Does he have a stud at RB? Does he have anything of high quality at the WR or TE position? Holmes has been hobbled for over a year. Brady has been garbage and no level of excuse making about his WR core can change that.

 

[JoeSixPat]

Yes. I'd take 19 picks if Brady throws for over 5000 yds and 40 TDs.

I like Brady's 12 INT number the year he threw for over 5000 yards better than 19 - but if you're going to put it in the air that much, you have to expect a good number of INTs as well

5000 yards and 40 TDs balances out more than a few of those picks

 

[PatsFaninAZ]

I feel like the offense is still too much of a work in progress to put up enough points to beat the Saints if their offense brings their B or A game. To win, I think it will take either at least a +2 in turnovers or a defensive or special teams touchdown.

Edit: Whoops. Posted in wrong thread.