Stafford traded to Rams

[carmelo15]

free agents and veteran players are not going to want to come to New England. Why do people not understand this? The winning is gone. there is not the guarantee of a first round by and playing divisional weekend at home any longer. those days are gone forever. The coach is not a player's coach and these players of today want no part of belichick's discipline.
I've been saying this ever since Brady left and I knew the season was going to be down the toilet. The stadium is in the middle of nowhere in a strip mall. by NFL standards Gillette stadium is getting long in the tooth by now as it is 19 or 20 years old. Massachusetts is not tax-friendly state And there is a perception that Boston in this area is racist and the local media does nothing but feed that fire.
The only way the Patriots are going to get free agents to come here is going to be to overpay. People are not coming here to play for Bill Belichick. And they're not coming here to play with the second coming of Tommy Hodson.
there is nothing alluring about this area unless you want to pay pretty high taxes and wear a mask everywhere you go and have your kids in remote schooling indefinitely. Not to mention some of the highest real estate prices outside of LA and New York City

Its hilarious really when I saw people think guys would come here still, like no they came here for Tom ****ing Brady not BB

 

[Uptown]

 

[sb1]

“NE’s absence on a list of preferred destinations”

That’s quite a bit different than specifically naming NE as the one and only place he didn’t want to go.

Either way if a 2nd plus a player wasn’t good enough then they can pound sand.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

“NE’s absence on a list of preferred destinations”

That’s quite a bit different than specifically naming NE as the one and only place he didn’t want to go.

Either way if a 2nd plus a player wasn’t good enough then they can pound sand.

I thought Bill was going to be agressive

 

[sb1]

I thought Bill was going to be agressive

LOL. Well there's aggressive that you're not scared to make the right move - which we'll probably see, and then there's reckless. Pats have too many needs to be reckless. Pats shouldn't even think of paying what the Rams did for a guy like Stafford.

 

[amfootball]

“NE’s absence on a list of preferred destinations”

That’s quite a bit different than specifically naming NE as the one and only place he didn’t want to go.

Either way if a 2nd plus a player wasn’t good enough then they can pound sand.

A second round pick? That is embarrassing. Why would Bill think a 2nd would get it done when teams were offering multiple ones? This is what irks me. If Bill LIKES Stafford enough to really want him as our QB for the next 5 years than offer what it takes and give up the first this year and next year. I don't care what he thinks Stafford is really worth, offer what it takes to get him.

 

[sb1]

A second round pick? That is embarrassing. Why would Bill think a 2nd would get it done when teams were offering multiple ones? This is what irks me. If Bill LIKES Stafford enough to really want him as our QB for the next 5 years than offer what it takes and give up the first this year and next year. I don't care what he thinks Stafford is really worth, offer what it takes to get him.

It was a second plus a player. I wonder who the player was.

 

[amfootball]

It was a second plus a player. I wonder who the player was.

Probably Gilmore if I had to guess. Detroit didn't want players, they wanted picks. They are in rebuild mode.

 

[Biffins]

We have no idea who will be the Patriots' WRs come September. The Pats have a boatload of money to spend in free agency.

And the Pats have given Brady weapons. Have we forgotten how stacked the Pats were in 2007? Sure Belichick doesn't believe in spending money on stud WRs (although that may change now that Brady is gone), but he has put talent around Brady. Sometimes he has tried and failed (Chad Johnson for example), but he has give Brady players like Moss, Welker, Branch, Edelman, Gronk, Hernandez (before he went psycho killer), etc. Sure other teams have given their QB far more, but many others have given their QBs less.

yes one year out of 20 = history of giving Brady weapons.

more like EVERY WR comes here for pitstop before they retire for laughs and kicks as BB searches for value. From Joey Galloway to Chad Ochocinco to Reggie Wayne to tons others. A revolving door of WRs. And tons more tried and wasted. Including draft picks. Michael Floyd, Sanu, AB and others.

Really the ONLY half decent addition in the last decade on WR has been Cooks and that was for one season. Even Amendola was a disappointment for the money we paid him and his contract had to be reworked for that reason. Same for Hogan.

How about I make a future prediction:

Patriots offseason headline “Patriots sign veteran WR <insert veteran mid-lates WR with storied career>” and everyone on this board “BB playing chess <veteran WR FA> while everyone else playing checkers <selecting talented youngsters in draft>”. Well guys, BB just checkmated himself. Unless we learn yo draft WRs I don’t care how many veteran WRs come through here.

Who next? Larry Fitzgerald? Andre Johnson? I might as well open the list of active WRs with highest career yards to see who comes here next. Same problem with running backs from Fred Taylor to Stephen Jackson to others.

And the irony of BB releasing Brady because he’s too old. Oof.

 

[Vindicate]

I really don't get the incredible hype around Stafford that drove the price way up. Am I missing something?

 

[yukon cornelius]

A second round pick? That is embarrassing. Why would Bill think a 2nd would get it done when teams were offering multiple ones? This is what irks me. If Bill LIKES Stafford enough to really want him as our QB for the next 5 years than offer what it takes and give up the first this year and next year. I don't care what he thinks Stafford is really worth, offer what it takes to get him.

kicking the tires, making sure to drive the price up - the more teams that make an offer, even a lowball one, the more interest it generates, the higher the final price will be

 

[Mack Herron]

 

[Rob0729]

yes one year out of 20 = history of giving Brady weapons.

more like EVERY WR comes here for pitstop before they retire for laughs and kicks as BB searches for value. From Joey Galloway to Chad Ochocinco to Reggie Wayne to tons others. A revolving door of WRs. And tons more tried and wasted. Including draft picks. Michael Floyd, Sanu, AB and others.

Really the ONLY half decent addition in the last decade on WR has been Cooks and that was for one season. Even Amendola was a disappointment for the money we paid him and his contract had to be reworked for that reason. Same for Hogan.

How about I make a future prediction:

Patriots offseason headline “Patriots sign veteran WR <insert veteran mid-lates WR with storied career>” and everyone on this board “BB playing chess <veteran WR FA> while everyone else playing checkers <selecting talented youngsters in draft>”. Well guys, BB just checkmated himself. Unless we learn yo draft WRs I don’t care how many veteran WRs come through here.

Who next? Larry Fitzgerald? Andre Johnson? I might as well open the list of active WRs with highest career yards to see who comes here next. Same problem with running backs from Fred Taylor to Stephen Jackson to others.

And the irony of BB releasing Brady because he’s too old. Oof.

Belichick doesn't trade for or sign stud WRs, but he has many times gotten good to solid WRs. Many of the don't work out especially because the Patriots' system is too complicated. He got Welker, Amadola, brought back Branch, and a few others. I am not going to go overboard and say he constantly stocks the position and consistently tries to get top , but he has made efforts to give Brady talent around him. And that may change now that Brady is gone and he may feel they need better talent to compensate for the loss of Brady. But the Pats' system doesn't need superstar WRs.

And Belichick didn't release Brady. Brady was a free agent and he chose not to come back to the Patriots. Sure Belichick wasn't exactly laying out the red carpet for Brady to return, but I don't think Brady was coming back even if he did.

 

[notex]

Honestly if it was Stidham (using him as a Goff replacement) plus the picks Rams sent over, I'd say "hell no". Not for a QB that age. I'd rather take a stab at starting Stidham and drafting 3 first round QBs over next 3 years.

 

[notex]

Belichick doesn't trade for or sign stud WRs, but he has many times gotten good to solid WRs. Many of the don't work out especially because the Patriots' system is too complicated. He got Welker, Amadola, brought back Branch, and a few others. I am not going to go overboard and say he constantly stocks the position and consistently tries to get top , but he has made efforts to give Brady talent around him. And that may change now that Brady is gone and he may feel they need better talent to compensate for the loss of Brady. But the Pats' system doesn't need superstar WRs.

And Belichick didn't release Brady. Brady was a free agent and he chose not to come back to the Patriots. Sure Belichick wasn't exactly laying out the red carpet for Brady to return, but I don't think Brady was coming back even if he did.

Randy Moss says "hi", and so does Brandon Cooks (1st rounder)

 

[Rob0729]

Randy Moss says "hi", and so does Brandon Cooks (1st rounder)

I forgot about Cooks. This whole narrative that Belichick never gave Brady weapons is just revisionist history.

 

[amfootball]

I forgot about Cooks. This whole narrative that Belichick never gave Brady weapons is just revisionist history.

For one year and then he traded him for a number one. Brady had an instant chemistry with Cooks but when it came to pay him, Bill as usual said nah.

 

[Rob0729]

For one year and then he traded him for a number one. Brady had an instant chemistry with Cooks but when it came to pay him, Bill as usual said nah.

And Belichick was right. If Cooks was worth what he was asking for, Belichick might have paid him. He wasn't and he got him for an one year rental for moving the first round pick back one year. Meanwhile Cooks played on his fourth team in five years this past year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Belichick didn't try to give Brady talent.

 

[Biffins]

And Belichick was right. If Cooks was worth what he was asking for, Belichick might have paid him. He wasn't and he got him for an one year rental for moving the first round pick back one year. Meanwhile Cooks played on his fourth team in five years this past year.

But that doesn't change the fact that Belichick didn't try to give Brady talent.

BB just doesn’t know how to draft WRs. Noone’s begging to get Guards and Centres and Tackles in FA. We can draft and train them. We don’t wtf we’re doing with WRs. And Harry is just the latest and biggest bust.

 

[Lagaffe_07]

Meanwhile Cooks played on his fourth team in five years this past year.

Which is kind of crazy when your realized that in his 7 years career, he had 5 1000+ yards season.