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So Michael Sam Is Gay, Who Cares? Can He Rush The QB?

I see a condom talking about procreation

Edit -> ahh it's condon, too bad. i'll keep the joke anyway

Good one. I also see Meatface and Unclemeat arguing for the other side
 
So you are saying that two straight men deserted on an island, and failing to be able to procreate to continue our species, must then be considered "unnatural"?

Good. Thanks for telling me it's useless debating this with you.

Listen, I have nothing against you being gay. But don't shove the idea that same sex intercourse is how nature intended when our species was created.
 
Your argument is centered around the fact that gay people don't think that their actions are unnatural? Really? Of course they don't. Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.

No, my argument centers around the perception of what you view as natural, and what it is that makes you right, and the other person wrong.

You didn't answer my question.
 
Not everyone in New Orleans participates in Mardi Gras. More or less every single homosexual in Provincetown participates in drag queenery and inappropriate public behavior.

What goes on in San Franpsycho and Provincetown condemns the behavior of homosexuals much more so than Mardi Gras reflects the people of heterosexuals. The people at Mardi Gras making an embarrassing spectacle of themselves aren't doing it because they're heterosexuals; they're doing it because they're idiots.

The people in Provincetown prancing around the streets in womens clothing are doing it because they're flaming gay and mentally and psychologically deranged, which are two things that are likely connected.

If you invite a guy over for dinner and he shows up in a beehive wig and a pink dress, are you going to thing he's a lunatic?

That would be my first instinct.

How am I wrong?

I quoted this post because it's probably the most demonstrative, but holy cow your posts read like they were written by someone who has never actually met a gay person and whose entire understanding of the gay community derives from time spent as an undergrad at Liberty University.
 
Good one. I also see Meatface and Unclemeat arguing for the other side

I'm arguing against being judgmental. Just because you don't like something doesn't make it wrong...not when it hurts nobody.
 
No, my argument centers around the perception of what you view as natural, and what it is that makes you right, and the other person wrong.

You didn't answer my question.

I argued my point with BradyFTW based on the full definition of the word natural. You can feel free to reference that post. I am right because I'm more capable of critical thinking on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural than they are since it's more of a personal matter for them. Again, I provided another example to back up my point on that.
 
Good. Thanks for telling me it's useless debating this with you.

Listen, I have nothing against you being gay. But don't shove the idea that same sex intercourse is how nature intended when our species was created.

I think I was asking you a fairly straightforward question. You are the one who brought up the island allegory, and if only two men or two women were put on an island, they would fail to procreate, regardless of whether they are gay or not.

In that regard, they are no different than each other.

You are arguing that sex is for procreation only. That is a fairly archaic Catholic precept that I'm sure you've broken many times by yourself.
 
I argued my point with BradyFTW based on the full definition of the word natural. You can feel free to reference that post. I am right because I'm more capable of critical thinking on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural than they are since it's more of a personal matter for them. Again, I provided another example to back up my point on that.

You still have not answered the question.

You think homosexuality is "unnatural." They do not. Again, which one of you is more right than the other?
 
Good. Thanks for telling me it's useless debating this with you.

Listen, I have nothing against you being gay. But don't shove the idea that same sex intercourse is how nature intended when our species was created.

So then how do you explain homosexual acts observed in other species in nature?
 
Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.

That's gotta rank up there with the worst analogies I've ever heard.
 
I think I was asking you a fairly straightforward question. You are the one who brought up the island allegory, and if only two men or two women were put on an island, they would fail to procreate, regardless of whether they are gay or not.

In that regard, they are no different than each other.

You are arguing that sex is for procreation only. That is a fairly archaic Catholic precept that I'm sure you've broken many times by yourself.

Fair enough.

My earlier post describing a situation wasn't about gays, it was simply a scenario of same sex people being the only two left and because human physiology, they would not be able to perform the basic function of our species, or any species, which is procreation. That's why same sex intercourse is not natural for humans. It's just not how nature intended.
 
So then how do you explain homosexual acts observed in other species in nature?

Something is going wrong for that animal to be doing that. That male dog needs to have a female so he's not humping his buddy. It happens in prison too.
 
Fair enough.

My earlier post describing a situation wasn't about gays, it was simply a scenario of same sex people being the only two left and because human physiology, they would not be able to perform the basic function of our species, or any species, which is procreation. That's why same sex intercourse is not natural for humans. It's just not how nature intended.

I understand that, but just because two person of the same sex just happen to be the last two human beings left on an island, their failure to procreate doesn't make them any less human than one man and one woman left on an island.

What if the woman was infertile? What if the man was impotent? Do those qualities make them any less human?
 

Something is going wrong for that animal to be doing that. That male dog needs to have a female so he's not humping his buddy. It happens in prison too.

Maybe they ate something that didn't agree with them, right buddy?

What the hell is the difference if they both like it?

Go watch a re-run of the Archie Griffith show or something and stop ruminating over something you can't change and should be completely inconsequential to you.

Oh, I forgot...you're just being nice and these people are going to hell.
 
I agree with most of your post and any point of contention on my part would be nitpicking, but I think everything you've said should be taken as a warning to the seemingly unhinged American left.

I can think of no society that ever dropped the hammer on quiet homosexuality, and homosexuals had it relatively good in this country 15 years ago. Yes, people used (and continue to use) "***" as insulting slang, and they call people and things they don't like "gay," but contrary to the delusions of the diversity-police, this is not oppression.

If you can't, then you haven't been paying attention.

Now they're pushing the envelope. Gay this, gay that, gay sitcoms, gay athletes, gay "rights" (an intellectual absurdity), gay marriage.

A significant segment of America's homosexual population wants to demand acceptance from the majority while simultaneously acting in a way that is unacceptable - a way they know is unacceptable.

It's antagonistic.

Mark my words, eventually people are going to push back.

Sounds like a threat. Guess what, though? You're wrong. The majority of American's don't care. Believe it or not, gay people aren't antagonizing you by existing, and only the most hateful of bigots think otherwise.

Honestly, the more that you put your intense hatred of homosexuality out there, the more that I think you're projecting. You wouldn't hate gay people so much if they didn't tempt you just a little bit. Frankly, you strike me as pretty gay and *really* deep in the closet about it.

Maybe it'll take an economic calamity, maybe it'll take whatever, but it is going to happen, and when the pendulum swings, the "we're like slaves" crowd amid the homosexual community will probably look back and think 1995 America wasn't as horribly oppressive as their political performances made it out to be.

One of the main ingredients to the fall of the Weimar Republic was a small minority enforcing immorality and decadence on a majority that utterly rejected it. This included pornography, decadent forms of art and entertainment, adultery, and homosexuality. A political party inevitably took center stage and shouted to the people that they would put an end to it.

You keep maintaining that you represent a moral majority, and I've already given extensive statistics that prove that you're wrong. There's nothing mor eto say on the matter.

I like women, but I don't have sex with them in the streets to make a spectacle out of myself. I find it amusing that BradyFTW liked your post, seems to understand your post, and at the same time doesn't seem to think homosexuals should regulate or restrain their behavior in any way.

Straw man. Please give one example where I said that. And yes, I did understand Joker's post. Clearly you didn't, which is why I'd love to hear your take on how this supports your position:

It's all relative. The fact remains that homosexuality is as much a facet of human existence as blond hair or black hair, blue eyes or brown. It is my opinion that our country is saturated with NIMBY syndrome and this leads to these virulent conflicts over something that essentially is not going to change, nor should it, as long as there are human beings on this planet.

The fact that you think pride parades are representative of the gay population at large just further proves that you have no idea what you're talking about.

Let's give it twenty years and see how that works out for them in the end.

Sure, let's. In 20 years it will be even more evident that you're a sad, hateful little man whose morality has been long ago left behind by the country at large.
 
You still have not answered the question.

You think homosexuality is "unnatural." They do not. Again, which one of you is more right than the other?

I answered your question twice. Once by laying out an example and the other directly. If you can't form a logical rebuttal to the explanation, then that's one thing. But I did answer your question...

Your argument is centered around the fact that gay people don't think that their actions are unnatural? Really? Of course they don't. Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.

I argued my point with BradyFTW based on the full definition of the word natural. You can feel free to reference that post. I am right because I'm more capable of critical thinking on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural than they are since it's more of a personal matter for them. Again, I provided another example to back up my point on that.

That's gotta rank up there with the worst analogies I've ever heard.

Thanks for the useless and passive aggressive reply. If you think so, attack the logic. Since the point I was making was in regard to a gay person's ability to think critically on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural, I see the analogy as an apt one. A grieving mother is fundamentally incapable of thinking critically about whether or not a driver that killed her child purely by accident deserves to die themselves. It's a personal matter for them and critical thinking at that point in time would go completely out the window.
 
Fair enough.

My earlier post describing a situation wasn't about gays, it was simply a scenario of same sex people being the only two left and because human physiology, they would not be able to perform the basic function of our species, or any species, which is procreation. That's why same sex intercourse is not natural for humans. It's just not how nature intended.

If we're down too two people left on the planet we're in some serious trouble.
 
I understand that, but just because two person of the same sex just happen to be the last two human beings left on an island, their failure to procreate doesn't make them any less human than one man and one woman left on an island.

What if the woman was infertile? What if the man was impotent? Do those qualities make them any less human?

Dude, seriously, stop putting words into my mouth. Never did I say they were any less human or inferior as you implied earlier. All I'm saying is it just won't work. Like if we were to jump off a cliff and try to fly, we can't. Our bodies don't work that way. No matter how hard we flap our arms, we're gonna fall. Nature has not intended for us to fly.

So if you go back to my scenario and we need two men to do what nature intended for our species to do and procreate, they won't be able to. No matter how hard a guy might pump another dude in the butt, they'll never be able to procreate.

In a scenario where a women is infertile or a guy is impotent, ***** happens man.
 
I respect Sam for coming out.

I also want to say that I love Lesbians. I think it's natural and awesome.
 
So if you go back to my scenario and we need two men to do what nature intended for our species to do and procreate, they won't be able to. No matter how hard a guy might pump another dude in the butt, they'll never be able to procreate.

Yes we can. Through science buddy, we can create test tube babies, they don't need actual woman, they just go to a lab with frozen embryos and their sperm and we're all good.

You lose
 
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