I see a condom talking about procreation
Edit -> ahh it's condon, too bad. i'll keep the joke anyway
Good one. I also see Meatface and Unclemeat arguing for the other side
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So you are saying that two straight men deserted on an island, and failing to be able to procreate to continue our species, must then be considered "unnatural"?
Your argument is centered around the fact that gay people don't think that their actions are unnatural? Really? Of course they don't. Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.
Not everyone in New Orleans participates in Mardi Gras. More or less every single homosexual in Provincetown participates in drag queenery and inappropriate public behavior.
What goes on in San Franpsycho and Provincetown condemns the behavior of homosexuals much more so than Mardi Gras reflects the people of heterosexuals. The people at Mardi Gras making an embarrassing spectacle of themselves aren't doing it because they're heterosexuals; they're doing it because they're idiots.
The people in Provincetown prancing around the streets in womens clothing are doing it because they're flaming gay and mentally and psychologically deranged, which are two things that are likely connected.
If you invite a guy over for dinner and he shows up in a beehive wig and a pink dress, are you going to thing he's a lunatic?
That would be my first instinct.
How am I wrong?
Good one. I also see Meatface and Unclemeat arguing for the other side
No, my argument centers around the perception of what you view as natural, and what it is that makes you right, and the other person wrong.
You didn't answer my question.
Good. Thanks for telling me it's useless debating this with you.
Listen, I have nothing against you being gay. But don't shove the idea that same sex intercourse is how nature intended when our species was created.
I argued my point with BradyFTW based on the full definition of the word natural. You can feel free to reference that post. I am right because I'm more capable of critical thinking on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural than they are since it's more of a personal matter for them. Again, I provided another example to back up my point on that.
Good. Thanks for telling me it's useless debating this with you.
Listen, I have nothing against you being gay. But don't shove the idea that same sex intercourse is how nature intended when our species was created.
Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.
I think I was asking you a fairly straightforward question. You are the one who brought up the island allegory, and if only two men or two women were put on an island, they would fail to procreate, regardless of whether they are gay or not.
In that regard, they are no different than each other.
You are arguing that sex is for procreation only. That is a fairly archaic Catholic precept that I'm sure you've broken many times by yourself.
So then how do you explain homosexual acts observed in other species in nature?
Fair enough.
My earlier post describing a situation wasn't about gays, it was simply a scenario of same sex people being the only two left and because human physiology, they would not be able to perform the basic function of our species, or any species, which is procreation. That's why same sex intercourse is not natural for humans. It's just not how nature intended.
Something is going wrong for that animal to be doing that. That male dog needs to have a female so he's not humping his buddy. It happens in prison too.
I agree with most of your post and any point of contention on my part would be nitpicking, but I think everything you've said should be taken as a warning to the seemingly unhinged American left.
I can think of no society that ever dropped the hammer on quiet homosexuality, and homosexuals had it relatively good in this country 15 years ago. Yes, people used (and continue to use) "***" as insulting slang, and they call people and things they don't like "gay," but contrary to the delusions of the diversity-police, this is not oppression.
Now they're pushing the envelope. Gay this, gay that, gay sitcoms, gay athletes, gay "rights" (an intellectual absurdity), gay marriage.
A significant segment of America's homosexual population wants to demand acceptance from the majority while simultaneously acting in a way that is unacceptable - a way they know is unacceptable.
It's antagonistic.
Mark my words, eventually people are going to push back.
Maybe it'll take an economic calamity, maybe it'll take whatever, but it is going to happen, and when the pendulum swings, the "we're like slaves" crowd amid the homosexual community will probably look back and think 1995 America wasn't as horribly oppressive as their political performances made it out to be.
One of the main ingredients to the fall of the Weimar Republic was a small minority enforcing immorality and decadence on a majority that utterly rejected it. This included pornography, decadent forms of art and entertainment, adultery, and homosexuality. A political party inevitably took center stage and shouted to the people that they would put an end to it.
I like women, but I don't have sex with them in the streets to make a spectacle out of myself. I find it amusing that BradyFTW liked your post, seems to understand your post, and at the same time doesn't seem to think homosexuals should regulate or restrain their behavior in any way.
It's all relative. The fact remains that homosexuality is as much a facet of human existence as blond hair or black hair, blue eyes or brown. It is my opinion that our country is saturated with NIMBY syndrome and this leads to these virulent conflicts over something that essentially is not going to change, nor should it, as long as there are human beings on this planet.
Let's give it twenty years and see how that works out for them in the end.
You still have not answered the question.
You think homosexuality is "unnatural." They do not. Again, which one of you is more right than the other?
Your argument is centered around the fact that gay people don't think that their actions are unnatural? Really? Of course they don't. Gay people would not be able to think critically about the topic of whether or not their actions are unnatural in much the same way a grieving mother would not be able to think critically about whether or not a driver that ran over their child completely by accident should then deserve to die themselves.
I argued my point with BradyFTW based on the full definition of the word natural. You can feel free to reference that post. I am right because I'm more capable of critical thinking on whether or not their lifestyle is unnatural than they are since it's more of a personal matter for them. Again, I provided another example to back up my point on that.
That's gotta rank up there with the worst analogies I've ever heard.
Fair enough.
My earlier post describing a situation wasn't about gays, it was simply a scenario of same sex people being the only two left and because human physiology, they would not be able to perform the basic function of our species, or any species, which is procreation. That's why same sex intercourse is not natural for humans. It's just not how nature intended.
I understand that, but just because two person of the same sex just happen to be the last two human beings left on an island, their failure to procreate doesn't make them any less human than one man and one woman left on an island.
What if the woman was infertile? What if the man was impotent? Do those qualities make them any less human?
So if you go back to my scenario and we need two men to do what nature intended for our species to do and procreate, they won't be able to. No matter how hard a guy might pump another dude in the butt, they'll never be able to procreate.
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