So Michael Sam Is Gay, Who Cares? Can He Rush The QB?

[supafly]

If you want to be a homosexual, be my guest. I'd rather that you don't openly act like a woman around me with your prancing and high pitched squeals, but I have the right to excuse myself from those instances, and you have the right to act like a man, a woman, a robot, or an animal just the same. Whatever floats your boat is cool with me.

If you want to dislike homosexuals, be my guest as well. It's your right, and just like many other subjects, you'd probably have some valid points that make some sense. I do not dislike gays, nor anyone who treats me with respect. That's how I choose to handle it---but that doesn't make "me" right, it's just my personal choice.

So you are saying there are no straight people who act like a jackass? There are a number of straight people that I would not invite to any of my parties because I know they will act like *******s once the booze flows.

What's the difference?

I'm not understanding why you'd take my quote out of context and act like I was taking anyone's side? As a matter of fact, I went out of my way to specifically say that "whatever floats your boat is cool with me," and that everyone has the right to choose who and what they want to be like and be around.

Of course there are both straight and gay people who are idiots, but I'm not seeing your point in relation to my comments.

For all the comments that were made in this thread, I'm not understanding why anyone would have I problem with what I've said, unless they were just trying to be argumentative, and I don't believe that you normally do that.

 

[Joker]

"whatever floats your boat is cool with me."

It is?...OK ,Supergay...oh shiznit...NOW I've done it...

 

[PP2]

Yes, I'm so culturally deprived because I don't hang out with men who prefer other men in their ____. I fairly regularly visit Europe, am an avid reader, appreciate the fine arts, but... I just don't have any homos in my life.

Nice that you are an avid reader and appreciate the fine arts, but I imagine you must cut out any appreciation of art or literature made by gay people.

 

[supafly]

"whatever floats your boat is cool with me."

It is?...OK ,Supergay...oh shiznit...NOW I've done it...

I believe that it's a term that you older fellas would have used at one point.

As a matter of fact, I recently heard my 84 year old Grandpa use it just last week

 

[PP2]

Uh...Jeffrey Dahmer and John Wayne Gacy immediately come to mind...

Oops.. that's two.. any more? On the other hand.. mass murderers who are straight?

 

[PATS16N0]

Nice that you are an avid reader and appreciate the fine arts, but I imagine you must cut out any appreciation of art or literature made by gay people.

lol

Just amazing.

 

[VrabelJr]

So... can he rush the passer?

 

[PP2]

That was a parody of something BradyFTW said earlier in the thread, Professor.

Sorry but you didn't make that clear. But then again, your logic isn't that clear anyway.

 

[Joker]

actually, for ME personally, this whole tempest is rather mundane to me...now what I'd REALLY like to see is a player come out and say "I'm a real azzole" before the draft. You know, like Joey Porter or Suggs. Now THAT would be a transcendent step in the right direction for the league.

 

[PATS16N0]

Oops.. that's two.. any more? On the other hand.. mass murderers who are straight?

Considering such a small % of people are gay, yet two of the most notorious serial killers of all time both came from that "demographic," maybe...

On second thought, why did you even bring up mass murderers? lol
I mean... really.

You're all over the map.

I bet you're the type of person who really appreciates other religions and cultures, right? You're probably apologizing for Islam a lot? I don't mean to assume, but your ilk are just extremely predictable at this point, and kind of all have a drone mentality, so it's easy to anticipate.

So anyway, assuming that is all true, may I ask how you reconcile Islam, the Middle East, and the fact that homosexuals will be stoned to death in some nations?

Would I be a bigot if I didn't like Islam? But are Muslims also bigots for stoning homosexuals? If I didn't like Muslims because they stoned homosexuals would I still be a bigot? What if I liked Muslims because they stoned homosexuals? Would that make me tolerant?

Do you ever get lost in all your endless "tolerance" and `progressive` preaching?

 

[PP2]

I'm not understanding why you'd take my quote out of context and act like I was taking anyone's side? As a matter of fact, I went out of my way to specifically say that "whatever floats your boat is cool with me," and that everyone has the right to choose who and what they want to be like and be around.

Of course there are both straight and gay people who are idiots, but I'm not seeing your point in relation to my comments.

For all the comments that were made in this thread, I'm not understanding why anyone would have I problem with what I've said, unless they were just trying to be argumentative, and I don't believe that you normally do that.

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be making the implication that if one is gay, one is liable to prance around and break out in a squeal?

I would not invite this person to my party, not because he or she was gay, but because he or she was an *******.

 

[Joker]

Oops.. that's two.. any more? On the other hand.. mass murderers who are straight?

well yeah, there are more...I went and looked it up. Seems there are a number of rather prolific gay serial murderers in the Isles and Ireland over the last century...and there's Aileen Wournos the lesbian serial killer who murdered a number of middle aged men in Florida. Please don't get me wrong,I'm not arguing your premise, it's valid, I'm just saying there are cases of gay serial killers. I imagine it's probably proportional to the gay population as straight serial killers are to the hetero population, but I haven't looked up any stats.

 

[BradyFTW!]

actually, for ME personally, this whole tempest is rather mundane to me...now what I'd REALLY like to see is a player come out and say "I'm a real azzole" before the draft. You know, like Joey Porter or Suggs. Now THAT would be a transcendent step in the right direction for the league.

Personally, I would've settled for Hernandez declaring before the draft that he has a penchant for killing people.

 

[supafly]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you seem to be making the implication that if one is gay, one is liable to prance around and break out in a squeal?

I would not invite this person to my party, not because he or she was gay, but because he or she was an *******.

I think my point was that people are free to choose whatever lifestyle they want to, but the outrageously openly homosexuals can sometimes give the majority gay crowd (who are often the same as the rest of us aside from sexual preference) a bad name.

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone's choice in the bedroom, but I can appreciate the argument that is made from those who do not wish to have their kids subjected to that kind of act. I did not mean for the comment to come off as controversial, so it's possible that I did not word my thoughts properly.

I agree that I would not invite this kind of person to my party due to the fact that they were an idiot and often obnoxious, and not due to the fact that they had a certain sexual preference.

 

[PP2]

I bet you're the type of person who really appreciates other religions and cultures, right? You're probably apologizing for Islam a lot? I don't mean to assume, but your ilk are just extremely predictable at this point, and kind of all have a drone mentality, so it's easy to anticipate.

So anyway, assuming that is all true, may I ask how you reconcile Islam, the Middle East, and the fact that homosexuals will be stoned to death in some nations?

Would I be a bigot if I didn't like Islam? But are Muslims also bigots for stoning homosexuals? If I didn't like Muslims because they stoned homosexuals would I still be a bigot? What if I liked Muslims because they stoned homosexuals? Would that make me tolerant?

Do you ever get lost in all your endless "tolerance" and `progressive` preaching?

You flunked Greek history, did you also flunk history of the Middle East? Strange that you also claim to be sophisticated, reading books and appreciating fine art, et al.

You are confusing Islam with Islamism (a schism). One is a religion, the other, an ideology. I do not have a problem with true Islam just as I don't have a problem with true Christianity, both of which preach benevolence and love of humankind.

I do not tolerate distorted interpretations of both which is taught as ideology but serve underlying agendas. Hitler interpreted the bible to serve his agenda.

You are confusing Muslims with radical extremists such as the Taliban who not only kill homosexuals, but kill women for adultery, cut off hands of thieves, etc.

The majority of Muslims do not engage in this kind of behavior. You would have seen this in your tours to Europe, that is, if you were telling the truth about that.

You couldn't identify a Muslim to save your life, from what I can tell, since you think of all of them as stoners, just as you think of gay people as "unnatural."

 

[PP2]

I think my point was that people are free to choose whatever lifestyle they want to, but the outrageously openly homosexuals can sometimes give the majority gay crowd (who are often the same as the rest of us aside from sexual preference) a bad name.

I have absolutely no problem whatsoever with anyone's choice in the bedroom, but I can appreciate the argument that is made from those who do not wish to have their kids subjected to that kind of act. I did not mean for the comment to come off as controversial, so it's possible that I did not word my thoughts properly.

I agree that I would not invite this kind of person to my party due to the fact that they were an idiot and often obnoxious, and not due to the fact that they had a certain sexual preference.

There are always a number of people who will give their religion, race, or culture a bad name.

I would not want my kids subjected to the behaviors exhibited at those parades just as much as I do not want my kids subjected to what goes on at strip clubs. One isn't any better than the other.

 

[PATS16N0]

You flunked Greek history, did you also flunk history of the Middle East? Strange that you also claim to be sophisticated, reading books and appreciating fine art, et al.

You are confusing Islam with Islamism (a schism). One is a religion, the other, an ideology. I do not have a problem with true Islam just as I don't have a problem with true Christianity, both of which preach benevolence and love of humankind.

I do not tolerate distorted interpretations of both which is taught as ideology but serve underlying agendas. Hitler interpreted the bible to serve his agenda.

You are confusing Muslims with radical extremists such as the Taliban who not only kill homosexuals, but kill women for adultery, cut off hands of thieves, etc.

The majority of Muslims do not engage in this kind of behavior. You would have seen this in your tours to Europe, that is, if you were telling the truth about that.

You couldn't identify a Muslim to save your life, from what I can tell, since you think of all of them as stoners, just as you think of gay people as "unnatural."

I'm having a hard time thinking of a single Middle Eastern nation that wouldn't turn to state-sponsored violence (if the people did not get to them first) for having gay pride parades to the tune of San Fransisco. I don't even think you could pull that off in Lebanon.

I'm good friends with a Syrian family. I know someone else from Saudi Arabia, someone from Dubai, and have known many Iranians. All of them were the exact opposite of what American media portrays Arabs and Persians to be.

That said, if people started prancing around in Saudi streets wearing a rainbow speedo with a "Drill ass not gas" sign, you would never, ever see them again, and very few people, in a nation that is surprisingly modern, would feel inclined to care.

Are you truly under the impression that the Middle East is a safe haven for homosexuality?

 

[PP2]

I'm having a hard time thinking of a single Middle Eastern nation that wouldn't turn to state-sponsored violence (if the people did not get to them first) for having gay pride parades to the tune of San Fransisco. I don't even think you could pull that off in Lebanon.

I'm good friends with a Syrian family. I know someone else from Saudi Arabia, someone from Dubai, and have known many Iranians. All of them were the exact opposite of what American media portrays Arabs and Persians to be.

That said, if people started prancing around in Saudi streets wearing a rainbow speedo with a "Drill ass not gas" sign, you would never, ever see them again, and very few people, in a nation that is surprisingly modern, would feel inclined to care.

Are you truly under the impression that the Middle East is a safe haven for homosexuality?

I said that I don't have a problem with true Islam as it was meant to be practiced. Does that mean it is widely practiced? No. The same can be said of Christianity.

You seem to be making broad assumptions about Muslims in that you assume all of them hate gays, which again doesn't surprise me.

 

[Joker]

I'm not going to patronize anybody posting in this thread but I think if one uses a historical lense and investigates the many empires and societies over the past few thousand years, you'll find societies where homosexuality is considered the choice of the upperclass and educated castes and conversely societies wherein homosexuality is brutally dealt with and forced underground.

Consider Alexander the Great and Macedonia. He had many wives including queens of conquered lands but his lover was a man he grew up with, Hephaestion.

The great Greeks of Socrates and Aristotle et al were known for their young boyfriends and open homosexuality.

The Romans Patricians were famous for boy and girl love along with mixed orgiastic sexual lifestyles.

The Dark Ages and the rise of the provincial Christian based governments marked a drastic rise in intolerance not only for homosexuals but just about anyone or anything NOT conforming to the rigid liturgy of the time.

It's all relative. The fact remains that homosexuality is as much a facet of human existence as blond hair or black hair, blue eyes or brown. It is my opinion that our country is saturated with NIMBY syndrome and this leads to these virulent conflicts over something that essentially is not going to change, nor should it, as long as there are human beings on this planet.

 

[supafly]

There are always a number of people who will give their religion, race, or culture a bad name.

I would not want my kids subjected to the behaviors exhibited at those parades just as much as I do not want my kids subjected to what goes on at strip clubs. One isn't any better than the other.

And I wouldn't advocate taking children into a strip club anymore than I would taking them to a gay pride parade.

I would compare the stripper to wearing revealing clothing to a homosexual drawing attention to themselves by acting in a certain obnoxious way. If either one choose to do so, they are opening themselves up to criticism that is definitely valid and reasonable; otherwise, whatever they do in their own time is their business, and no one else's.

I live in Pittsburgh, yet I normally don't choose to broadcast my love for the N.England Patriots with a bumper sticker on my car, even if it's my "right." Why? Because not everyone is going to give me that right, and I'd only be drawing unnecessary attention to myself, which will certainly mean some problems from those that are not as accepting of my right to choose. I think it's sad that we live in a world where we cannot choose what we want to do, but there's also some common sense aspect to things just as well.

I don't think that it's right to judge anyone, but I can appreciate the fact that there are going to be people who would rather that others keep their private sexual matters behind closed doors, where they normally belong. Otherwise, you're going to have to weigh the good vs the bad by deciding to share it with others. I wish that more people would be acceptable of Michael Sam's circumstances, and I hope that they are, but my concern is that too many will make a bigger deal of it since the path has not been previously blazed. In the longrun, Sam may end up being one of those trailblazers for others who are homosexual as well.