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  1. primetime

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    OFFENSE
    Obviously the biggest question mark is at QB
    Thuney is gone
    Karras should be signed as a potential starter at OG or OC, and is worth low-level starter money
    Ferentz might be re-signed for short money as insurance at OC
    I wouldn't bring back Eluemunor.
    Newhouse might be brought back for cheap, especially if Cannon is questionable.
    As an aside, I think Sanu will be extended or replaced, freeing up some cap money.
    Watson is gone.
    Obviously, we have huge holes at TE and WR, perhaps worse if Brady doesn't come back.
     
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    The cap money and needs are such that we aren't likely to sign many (any) top free agents. But, then, this is the norm for the patriots. I do see us bringing several WR's, TE's, LB's and OL's. We might even recognize a few, a perhaps even like a few.
     
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    I’m leaning towards trading the first for Stephan Diggs and getting a third back.
    Signing 2 free agent tight ends or trading for Howard.
     
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    Assuming Brady resigns, I see Thuney, KVN, and Collins as goners. Thuney is gonna get the biggest offer on the market, IMO....KVN is going to take care of his family...and Collins took a pay cut last year...I think he wants more next year, but possible that he remembers how it sucked in Cleveland...hmmm....

    Then DMac? Still at a high level, but I think we have decent depth at safety plus JoeJuan Williams possibly moving back there...it will be a cost vs. future production thing for me.

    Those are the biggest dominoes....the rest...I'd over pay a bit for Slater on a short term deal...Bethel too...and maybe Ebner if nobody else goes crazy. Gostkowski? I might pass....if we move on from Gostkowski, we will have 2-3M more annually for a WR/TE. While I want to maintain our ST edge....I still think we could get by with Bailey handling kickoffs and another kicker just place kicking.

    Roberts? Shelton? Karras? Newhouse? Butler? I think we would be OK if Roberts/Karras/Butler priced themselves out....if not...re-sign them all. I think we need to ensure that we still have Shelton and Newhouse for depth.
     
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    Assuming that we have a 2020 season, I see Thuney, KVN and Collins as goners. I don't see Brady's re-signing as being a factor.
     
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    If these players price themselves out, that means that we are likely to have to pay MORE for the same quality.

     
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    I'm still not getting where people are getting the salary cap numbers. Miguel has it at $29 mil currently. When Brady will incur a 13 mil cap charge on March 18th (assuming he isn't resigned). So it doesn't seem like a lot of room to me.
     
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    Miguel's numbers assume the higher accelerated Brady dead money hit already.

    The rest of the money comes from cuts, restructures, etc.
     
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    I just looked. Miguel shows $21M for 44 players. He shows Brady at $36.75M with a cap savings of $22M if he goes. That $43M. I would subtract $3M to use for the future contracts to bring us to 53 players, giving us a total of $40M if Brady goes.

    Let's say a new QB uses $16M (for a total of 29.5M including Brady's dead money). That leaves $24M to start (before restructures and cuts).

    If we extend Brady, we might use the same $29.5M of cap room, for the same $24M to start.
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    Is $24M a lot? I don't know. For me, it seems pretty normal for our free agents and those of others. A Hightower restructure gives us an "easy" $5.3M. A Gilmore restructure will be available for needs at the end of camp and during the season. There are a couple of people who could go and be replaced using their cap savings (Sanu? Cannon?).

    That leaves the following high priorities ( I presume that Thuney, KVN and Collins are gone)

    PRIORITIES
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    D. McCourty (his brother might be cut to save money)
    G/C - Karras seems an obvious choice
    OT - This would be a backup. If Cannon goes, his cap room would pay for a replacement.
    NT - Shelton is the obvious choice PLUS a draftee (to compete with Cowart).
    DL - Butler should stay, and hopefully Calhoun also.
    #3 WR - Sanu or a replacement (in any case his cap hit needs to be reduced)
    #1 or #2 WR
    #1 TE
    another TE (LeCosse will stay, but we need competition and a 3rd TE)
     
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    I agree. Collins, I always saw as a one-year rental. The one that irks me is KVN. I need to think NE tried to re up him and he just didn’t want to comply & bet on himself (which ended up being the right call, for him, financially). Really wish he would have been signed a year ago for decent $.

    Having said that : they all contributed to the success of this team in their career and I wish them the best.
     
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    The bolded names above I would offer only 1-year contracts for the vet minimum with Zero guaranteed money...at most...

    Elmanure I would offer maybe two years with some minimal guarantees...I want to see what he can do here with a full training camp under his belt; maybe he can become a serviceable right-side backup. Bill did surrender an asset for him, so maybe he sees something there too.
     
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