Sidy Sow - Conflicting Opinions

[Triumph]

Please notice that in the last clip that Zappe is 9 yards deep and has to step up (move up in the pocket). Mac did the same thing last year during the first half of the season, he didn't "feel the pressure" and didn't time stepping up in the pocket properly. He who is to be unnamed was a master at feeling the pressure and stepping up. If Zappe shuffles forward Sow would have pushed Anderson past Zappe.

I agree that Sow might have been a half step too shallow in his drop. He is trying to protect against the inside pass rush as well. I do not see that as a major issue - I agree with Bedard that Sow looked "OK", and I will add "better than McDermott". Having said that, McDermott was on the left side which might have been tough for him. For a college guard with little tackle experience I thought Sow did quite well. Sow's testing also showed the athleticism to play tackle, so, IMO, there is a chance, but Sow might need a year to transition (as expected).

Having said all that, Ferentz, Russey, and McDermott all looked worse than Sow on that play. No idea why people singled out Sow.

There was no room to step up.

Russey missed his guy in the photo that you provided.

 

[PP2]

He blocked no one.

I agree that the interior line has blame, but even if they did their job, Sow is beaten off the snap as he was all night. He is off balance on nearly every play.

Maybe coaching cures this, but to me it looks like he's just slow to react.

You reap what you sow.

 

[50-yard-line]

This is how I see it. First Russey gets beat to the outside and Sow is faced with two defenders. Notice in this clip that Russey, #66, at Right Guard is turned outside (it is hard to see his number). You can also see Ferentz, #65, who is blocking no-one. The Texans defensive tackle headed towards Sow and Ferentz is turning towards Russey (you can see the #65 on his back) as he turned the wrong way. Ferentz should be helping the left guard, not Russey.


Maybe this is a bit more clear. It is a split second later. Now you can read the #65 Ferentz and #66 Russey as they both turn towards the Right Tackle Sow, and neither one is blocking anyone. At this point notice that Russey is beat and Sow's left arm is trying to punch the defensive tackle. At this point if Sow is going to keep Zappe from being destroyed he has to try to chip both the defensive tackle (that beat Russey) and Anderson, the defensive end.



Here you can clearly see that Sow has both the defensive tackle and the defensive end, Sow's left arm is on the tackle and right arm is on the end (Anderson). Russey is completely turned because you can see #66 almost heading upfield. Ferentz is turned to the right for some reason as the second defensive tackle is rushing up the middle (Ferentz should be turned left and helping the left guard). I do not know who #68 is, left guard.



Here Sow disengages from the defensive tackle (you can clearly see that Russey is completely beat, and that Ferentz is turned the wrong way. The delayed blitzer is now entering the picture. Also note that the left tackle, McDermott #75, is one-on-one and is beat as well. Sow at this point is trying to engage Anderson and push him upfield. Note at this point, 1. McDermott is beat, 2. Ferentz is turned the wrong way and doing nothing, 3. Russey is beat, 4. the left gaurd #68 (I don't know who this is) is still engaged, and 5. Sow is still engaged after punching the defensive tackle as well.

Overall in my opinion, Sow did OK. Sow was trying to punch the defensive tackle who beat Russey and then recover to get outside and engage Anderson. Clearly McDermott, Ferentz, and Russey are completely blownup on this play, not Sow. Sow looks fairly athletic and quick to me trying to help Russey while he blocks Anderson. This is only one rep, but based on this rep I am not surprised Sow is with the 1st team. I do not see this the same as @Family .

Nice breakdown, except that McDermott was not only not beat, he threw his target over Anderson back at the 30-yard-line.

It was a sack because Russey missed his block and Ferentz didn't help the LG, who then couldn't pick up the blitzing LB. Zappe stepped up and got smushed yards upfield from where the two Texan edge rushers got dumped by Sow and McDermott.

 

[SlowGettingUp]

 

[patfanken]

Did you see the video?

I've been two thumbs up on all the draft picks except Sow.

It's not ok to think differently than you?

No, its just that more than one poster had taken the time and effort to (in great detail) show just how wrong your "opinion" was, and your best response was essentially "well, I MIGHT be wrong on this play, but I was right on all the others". This isn't about someone's opinion, there is VISUAL evidence that Sow no only did a decent job on that play, he went above and beyond in hindering 2 players.

BTW- a good example of an "opinion" would be my opinion that if Zappe had gotten rid of the ball "on time" the sack could have been avoided. Just look at his footwork. He has time and there is a decent pocket as he comes off his drop and steps forward. Now what makes it an opinion is the fact I have no idea what he's seeing downfield. Are his receivers covered, or have run bad routes, etc. But most OC's would love to see their QB's get rid of the ball in rhythm coming off their drop. For whatever reason, Zappe didn't do this. WHY? we will never know because we simply do not know enough information.

Even on the stuff we can see with our own eyes like One if by sea's clip, or an all 22, we STILL don't know all the info we need to assign true success or blame. We don't know the presnap calls, OR the post snap responsibilities that the staff does, (neither does PFF btw) So even with visual evidence we don't always know the full tale of a play. BUT we DO have an good indication when we have visual evidence, which doesn't explain your vehemence that Sow sucks despite it.

 

[Kasmir]

No, its just that more than one poster had taken the time and effort to (in great detail) show just how wrong your "opinion" was, and your best response was essentially "well, I MIGHT be wrong on this play, but I was right on all the others". This isn't about someone's opinion, there is VISUAL evidence that Sow no only did a decent job on that play, he went above and beyond in hindering 2 players.

BTW- a good example of an "opinion" would be my opinion that if Zappe had gotten rid of the ball "on time" the sack could have been avoided. Just look at his footwork. He has time and there is a decent pocket as he comes off his drop and steps forward. Now what makes it an opinion is the fact I have no idea what he's seeing downfield. Are his receivers covered, or have run bad routes, etc. But most OC's would love to see their QB's get rid of the ball in rhythm coming off their drop. For whatever reason, Zappe didn't do this. WHY? we will never know because we simply do not know enough information.

Even on the stuff we can see with our own eyes like One if by sea's clip, or an all 22, we STILL don't know all the info we need to assign true success or blame. We don't know the presnap calls, OR the post snap responsibilities that the staff does, (neither does PFF btw) So even with visual evidence we don't always know the full tale of a play. BUT we DO have an good indication when we have visual evidence, which doesn't explain your vehemence that Sow sucks despite it.

NFL+ uploaded the all-22 for the Hall of Fame game but I still don't see any uploaded for last week's games.

Cool thing was that the all-22 for Jets/Browns was in HD; I don't recall seeing that before. Will be cool for the regular season if they continue that.

 

[Wozzy]

Go to youtube, plug “Patriots Texans full game” into the search engine. Put 20 minutes or more into the filters. The game is there.

And this ^ is one third down play being micro-analyzed to death, meanwhile you’re missing the entire rest of the first half where Sow pulverizes anyone across from him.

I think PFF is garbage, but even they agreed and said Sow played good.

So what we’re dealing with in this thread is a couple of people who are going off their memory of what they think they saw last Thursday while swilling a couple beers, versus some people who bothered to go back and watch it again in slow motion… repeatedly. It’s not even an argument if you watch it again with a critical eye, Sow played really well.

He wasn’t alone, Russey played well as did Mafi, even if he made a couple mistakes.

McDermott, Ferentz, Hines and Stueber played like crap. It doesn’t take much to make the entire line look bad.

 

[TomPatriot]

Sow went up against Will Anderson 5 times and won all 5 reps. Will Anderson was the #3 pick in the draft and is supposed to be a generational talent.

Really early for the rookies. Sidney Sow didn’t look like he belonged and was nearly a “bust” a few days ago.

 

[BTTA]

No, its just that more than one poster had taken the time and effort to (in great detail) show just how wrong your "opinion" was, and your best response was essentially "well, I MIGHT be wrong on this play, but I was right on all the others". This isn't about someone's opinion, there is VISUAL evidence that Sow no only did a decent job on that play, he went above and beyond in hindering 2 players.

Yeah, from what I see there, Sow actually slowed two guys in getting to the QB - one directly and the other by pushing him just a bit downfield. If the QB had been able to step into a clean pocket, Sow would have free'd up four other OL to block three guys.

What could an OT possibly do in that situation to get better results? If he lets the inside guy go and dominates the outside guy, is that "winning a rep" even though the QB is being scraped up off the turf?

 

[Family]

Even on the stuff we can see with our own eyes like One if by sea's clip, or an all 22, we STILL don't know all the info we need to assign true success or blame. We don't know the presnap calls, OR the post snap responsibilities that the staff does, (neither does PFF btw) So even with visual evidence we don't always know the full tale of a play. BUT we DO have an good indication when we have visual evidence, which doesn't explain your vehemence that Sow sucks despite it.

My opinion is that Sow is too slow to react to play tackle. Others have pointed out by measurables that he isn't slow, so it must be his reaction time.

I never said Sow sucks altogether, or even close. I said if he can't play guard he won't be in the league, and that it's questionable with the team's depth at guard why they would blow off his season at that position.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Nice breakdown, except that McDermott was not only not beat, he threw his target over Anderson back at the 30-yard-line.

It was a sack because Russey missed his block and Ferentz didn't help the LG, who then couldn't pick up the blitzing LB. Zappe stepped up and got smushed yards upfield from where the two Texan edge rushers got dumped by Sow and McDermott.

This is correct. Why Ferentz turned to his right, then saw the defensive tackle rush outside (away from him), and did not turn back to his left to see if he could help the left guard is baffling. If Ferentz turns back and helps the left guard, the open blitz lane would not have been there. Clearly Russey and Ferentz were the problems on this play.

Why was the Texans running delayed blitzes during preseason game #1? Seems like winning was important to them.

 

[Kasmir]

Go to youtube, plug “Patriots Texans full game” into the search engine. Put 20 minutes or more into the filters. The game is there.

And this ^ is one third down play being micro-analyzed to death, meanwhile you’re missing the entire rest of the first half where Sow pulverizes anyone across from him.

I think PFF is garbage, but even they agreed and said Sow played good.

So what we’re dealing with in this thread is a couple of people who are going off their memory of what they think they saw last Thursday while swilling a couple beers, versus some people who bothered to go back and watch it again in slow motion… repeatedly. It’s not even an argument if you watch it again with a critical eye, Sow played really well.

He wasn’t alone, Russey played well as did Mafi, even if he made a couple mistakes.

McDermott, Ferentz, Hines and Stueber played like crap. It doesn’t take much to make the entire line look bad.

Unlike 99% of the posters here they watch and grade every play of every player. But that's drudgery and nowhere nearly as fun as speculation and theory crafting.

 

[Kasmir]

Another cool thing for an out-of-market cord-cutter like me is that NFL+ is carrying RedZone this year!

Last year I paid $70/month to YouTubeTV during the season mostly just to watch RedZone...

 

[patfanken]

My opinion is that Sow is too slow to react to play tackle. Others have pointed out by measurables that he isn't slow, so it must be his reaction time.

You REALLY can make that comment even AFTER people have posted Sow's remarkable RAS score? He is MORE than fast enough, even though you fail to believe it. And of COURSE you have the right to believe as you do, BUT you also have the right to be WRONG. Saying it's so doesn't make it so.

 

[Family]

You REALLY can make that comment even AFTER people have posted Sow's remarkable RAS score? He is MORE than fast enough, even though you fail to believe it. And of COURSE you have the right to believe as you do, BUT you also have the right to be WRONG. Saying it's so doesn't make it so.

Is reaction time on the field measured in those scores because I believed I covered that.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Sow reminds me a little of Marcus Cannon. Similar size, and efficient movement when dropping back in PP.

 

[Scotty]

It maybe too soon but I would like to see Sow get some game snaps with the first team , if not the Packers certainly the Titans

 

[mgcolby]

That was breakdown in recognition by Zappe.

Either:

A: Zappe should have had the TE stay and block, or at least chip. Now I blame Zappe, and here is the part that so many folks ignore or simply don't understand, we don't know what call was or was not made. Zappe quite possibly could have called the correct pass pro while the TE blew his responsibility. Sow was blocking two men simultaneously. That clip doesn't show what you or the Texas fan thinks it does. That was quite impressive by Sow.

Or

B: recognized the pressure that would be coming from the right side and looked immediately to the outlet, who was wide open and would have easily had the first down.

 

[mgcolby]

Thanks for that. Sow was late getting off #97 (Ridgeway) to take on Anderson. To his credit, he still got a piece of him. But the fatal breakdown on the play was the unblocked blitz by the MLB (#6, Perryman) which made Zappe take the sack instead of stepping up.

I doubt he was late. That TE should never had given him a free release. A chip block definitely should of occured.

 

[rochrist]

If they keep him, he needs as many reps as possible at OT in the next couple of week against NFL talent. They know what they have with Trent Brown, probably with Rieff and McDermott as well. As for Anderson I hope he is OK but don’t expect him to get on the field this season - very much hope I’m wrong there obviously.

I would expect, if they keep Sow on the roster at all, for him to be inactive for games except if they get a couple OT injuries or have a very run heavy game plan. The only way for him to be ready at all to play OT at the NFL level is to get him as much work now as possible.

The fact that Sow is above Steuber already, and that they’ve signed another OT prospect and worked out another, is a pretty good sign that Steuber is not making the cut - no surprise to many here when that pick was made last year. Him and Hines look like two swings and misses from last year. Hopefully with BOB and Klemm onboard they can greatly improve the success rate for OL picks.

They absolutely need to get their LT1 of the fut into the building by this tIme next year. Sidy Sow I hope works out to be a nice player for them but he ain’t that guy and neither is anyone else they have onboard now.

They certainly aren't cutting him.