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Should they give Culpepper, Holcomb, Rattay or Weinke a call?

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Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

That was my take, too. It looks as if he really needs to get a full game of work in if they're going to keep him at #2. I stated in the game thread that they should have him play the whole 4th game if they keep him as the #2, so he can settle into better habits.

I agree. In a way BB hasn't done himself any favors playing Brady as much as he has in blowouts and late season games. Cassel could have really used those reps. He always seems to come off the bench tight but he tends to settle in as the game progresses. Although I firmly believe that this season the OLine is making it hard to get any kind of rhythm going on offense.

I also think that the fact that we play it differently in the preseason than most teams - situations, personnel groupings, etc. trumps an organized effort to win - something I see a lot more from in the competition. Many of whom will never look as good again as they did in pre season because they weren't working on things that will matter down the road and they end up building a false sense of accomplishment that leaves all the talking heads scratching their heads as to what went wrong... 'cause they looked so good in preseason. Not to say BB isn't concerned about execution, 'cause he better be.

We've just got too many starters unavailable early on. 2/5ths of the starting OL, this was the first preseason game for Moss and Welker (who apparently does not rust ), Morris looked like a guy who hadn't played in almost a year, Rodney and AD out, Hobbs working his way back off PUP, Brady still not taking a snap against an opponent (although he took all the practice snaps this week which does impact the #2).

The highlight of the evening was when they flashed that early schedule, though...

For those who think O'Connell is ready to be a backup all I can say is they have no clue what they are watching. Forget the pick, he was falling apart down the stretch as do most rookies making poor decision after poor decision - just lucked out in that none of them resulted in turnovers. He is definitely "developmental". I love how some here call for the OC to make use of his running more - they have no clue what he's supposed to be doing, that running is a last resort that the more athletic kids fall victim to when the going gets tough and it's something Bill actually cringes at. Cassel can run to, he just knows that isn't what they want him to do. His job is to try and run this offense - and thank god he's doing it as I don't want to see Tommy on the field until the OLine gets it's **** together or it's starters back and the rust knocked off the RB's.

Will be interesting to see if Gutz is already being prepped for the PS. He looked aweful against third stringers last week, got hurt and missed most of practice this week, and then while they took him on the trip he doesn't see a snap. It seems as if he is feeling the pressure of drafting O'Connell far more than Cassel is feeling the pressure of "the team" supposedly really liking Gutz. I'm sure they appreciate he's an effort guy, but that effort does not seem to have translated into progression for him this season. Cassel may not be developing a Schaub like buzz, but neither is anyone beneath him on the depth chart.

I think it's too late for a veteran backup, let alone anything from 64's list. And Griese won't be going anywhere and I doubt there are too many Simms supporters left after tonight. The call for Joey Harrington made me laugh - reality for Dimitrof is he has no alternative lest he ruin Ryan.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

It's a long shot, a very long shot, but I'd give Jake Plummer a call and try to coax him out of retirement. Playing for a team with a shot at the title, and a starting QB who is having foot problems, might do it.
 
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It's a long shot, a very long shot, but I'd give Jake Plummer a call and try to coax him out of retirement. Playing for a team with a shot at the title, and a starting QB who is having foot problems, might do it.

I would call Vinny out of retirement before calling Plummer

At least Vinny knows the team inside and out
 
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It's a long shot, a very long shot, but I'd give Jake Plummer a call and try to coax him out of retirement. Playing for a team with a shot at the title, and a starting QB who is having foot problems, might do it.

Jake is the anthesis of what BB requires in a QB. Much like Bledsoe with Buffalo and Dallas, it takes a monumental effort for him to play away from form. Shanny shackled him into doing just that for a couple of seasons but he was reverting to form which is why Denver parted with him.
 
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I would call Vinny out of retirement before calling Plummer

At least Vinny knows the team inside and out

I will ask again, did you see what Vinny looked like playing in Carolina? Did you notice that Bill never let him do anything here but take a knee - except for that one set up TD so he could have the record??? Vinny has been available for two more off seasons and Bill hasn't come close to calling, for a reason. Vinny was here to mentor, not play.
 
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I will ask again, did you see what Vinny looked like playing in Carolina? Did you notice that Bill never let him do anything here but take a knee - except for that one set up TD so he could have the record??? Vinny has been available for two more off seasons and Bill hasn't come close to calling, for a reason. Vinny was here to mentor, not play.

Just grasping at straws here like many of us who don't no where the team will look for a capable backup QB - I think most of us realize theres no real true one right now on the team

Its funny but Patriot Nation might all be feeling this way but BB probably is far from concerned right now unless he knows Brady's injury is more than reported.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

Tim Rattay yes .. No for Daunte Culpepper since he still feels he is a starter..

I could just imagine the conversation. "Daunte, we would like you to come back, become the veteran backup that this team needs. Are you interested?" "Well, that depends. Will I have an opportunity to compete for the starting position?"
 
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I could just imagine the conversation. "Daunte, we would like you to come back, become the veteran backup that this team needs. Are you interested?" "Well, that depends. Will I have an opportunity to compete for the starting position?"

You guys forgot the fact that Culpepper was in Pittsburgh last week to compete with Leftwich for the BACKUP position to Big Ben.

Its obvious to the most stupid person that he has given up on a starting job with that move which of course did not work out as Byron was their choice.
 
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You guys forgot the fact that Culpepper was in Pittsburgh last week to compete with Leftwich for the BACKUP position to Big Ben.

Its obvious to the most stupid person that he has given up on a starting job with that move which of course did not work out as Byron was their choice.

Not so, apparently

http://sports.espn.go.com/nfl/trainingcamp08/news/story?id=3528603

The reason the Steelers picked Leftwich over Culpepper is because Leftwich felt more comfortable with the role the Steelers were offering. Ben Roethlisberger is the starter and Batch is expected to be the backup when he gets healthy again. Culpepper was hoping for a chance to compete for a starting job.
 
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Yeah, but imagine if Culpepper took the role.

The press release would be hauntingly familiar... "for the RIGHT team with a real shot" and "everyone wants to play for New England".
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

Wow - I read something totally different from a Pittsburgh website.
That explains things

Did Culpepper actually think he had even an iota of a chance to oust Big Ben from the starting position?

Ben is the most popular figure there now since Bettis is gone

Not a big Culpepper fan, but he's probably the best that's out there right now and I think he might jump at the chance of signing with the Pats at this point. We're talking about different situations:

No way he thought he'd oust Big Ben. At best he would have been a second stringer in Pitt. and probably would go to third when Batch came back. In NE, he'd be virtually guaranteed to step in as the back up to the best QB in football (who may be nursing a nagging foot/ankle injury more serious than is being disclosed). Plus, we're talking about the Patriots here, not a perennial borderline playoff team.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

Holcomb looked awful for Minnesota last year, he's not an upgrade over Cassell in my mind.

The only guy who is possibly an upgrade over Cassell and is currently available is Daunte Culpepper. I have my doubts about Daunte Culpepper coming in and picking up the New England offense in a short period of time. I watched Daunte play for a lot of years and his physical gifts were what made him a weapon at QB as opposed to his ability to read defenses.

I do think the position of backup QB is overrated by most. There's very few (if any) QB's who don't have a starting job that are capable of winning big in the NFL. All the top teams, with the possible exception of San Diego due to their running game, would no longer be Super Bowl contenders without their starting QB.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

According to NFL.com those QBs are still available unless it was not updated just recently but it looks to be right up to date to my knowledge.

Nope, Lorenzen is crapping the bed in Indy right now. Based on how he played Saturday night, he will probably be available this week though.

http://www.nfl.com/players/profile?id=00-0022590
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

I'm sure that Moss would want to reunite with Culpepper.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

So what you are saying is you did not really like the play of the backup QBs tonight eh?

The Patriots have one hell of a dilemma. If the Patriots add a veteran

quarterback, he will have no knowledge whatsoever of the offense.

Cassel and Gutierrez know the offense but cannot execute properly.

I don't believe either quarterback can generate enough scoring to win

football games on a consistent basis. O'Connell is too raw to be the

backup.
 
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Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

how about the last pro-bowler to back up Tom -- Drew Bledsoe.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

Favre did pretty well with the Jets offense. You are worried about a veteran learning the system well enough to be expected to be more productive that Cassel or Gutierrez. I wouldn't expect that to take any longer than by the end of the bye week. The reality is I don't think it would take more than a week.

The reality is that we don't know how comfortable is with Cassel and Gutierrez. He amy be willing to go with one of them for this season with O'Connell being the backup in 2009.

The Patriots have one hell of a dilemma. If the Patriots add a veteran

quarterback, he will have no knowledge whatsoever of the offense.

Cassel and Gutierrez know the offense but cannot execute properly.

I don't believe either quarterback can generate enough scoring to win

football games on a consistent basis. O'Connell is too raw to be the

backup.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

Stranger things have happened in NE - - No such thing as ZERO chance unless you are running the team and know it already.

While its probably 90% chance O'Connell is here in September if he goes out in the next preseason game and throws 5 picks you never know.

Bill Belichick has not once, during his Patriots tenure, cut a pick higher than a 4th round during that players rookie season. IRed that pick, yes. But not out-right cut them. I would have said higher than 5th round, but they cut Kareem Brown during the season last year.
 
Re: Should they give Culpepper,Holcomb,Rattay or Weinke a call?

I think its kind of funny that Cassel is doing no worse than Rohan Davey is and yet, people weren't calling for Davey to be cut. Heck, some people even, mistakenly, thought that Rohan outplayed Huard (which never happened).

I think that the Patriots will sink or swin with the 4 QBs they have. Unless Huard gets released. Then I can see the Pats bringing him back over any of the others mentioned.
 
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