Schefter: Source close to Patriots says he'd be "stunned" if New England traded Garoppolo

[patsfan-1982]

if the pats have the 1 seed locked up when they play the fish and Brady plays the full game they are trading JG in the offseason and michael Lombardi and "unnamed Source" are just throwing a smoke screen to get better trade value,

pats wont risk JG playing vs a dolphins front that is playing great right now if he sucks s trade value goes down to a 2th round pick at best

 

[RayClay]

You don't? Garoppolo has 91 career passing attempts and plays in an offense that is unique and which facilitates success at the QB position. It's not like JG was a sure-fire star with rare athleticism coming out school, ala Aaron Rodgers. You think a team would part with a first and a second for a guy who looked good for six quarters before getting injured on a routine play?

I have no opinion here, but i think you underestimate the value of his quick release. That translates well to most teams these days.

 

[Bradyking12]

why in the world would he sign here and extend this off season unless Brady was done...

What if Brady retires after next year

 

[mosslost]

What if Brady retires after next year

that's not relevant to the point

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I have no opinion here, but i think you underestimate the value of his quick release. That translates well to most teams these days.

Another thing to think about: Garoppolo was converted from LB(!) to QB in high school. Jeff Christiansen, his QB coach, didn't just train him to play QB. He trained him to play QB like Tom Brady. Literally.

Jimmy Garoppolo, Tom Brady’s fill-in, learned to play quarterback by imitating him

At the Throw It Deep academy, Christiansen made Brady the template his quarterbacks studied. He showed Garappolo “tens of thousands” of images of Brady, he said. When he needed an example of how to read defenses, he showed video of Brady. When he taught how to use the angle of your shoulders to dupe a defensive back, he showed still photographs of Brady. The proper head placement on a play-action fake? Brady. Throwing motion? Brady. Every photo, every detail, was Brady. Always Brady.

Garoppolo digested everything. By the time Garappolo became the starting quarterback at Eastern Illinois, where he continued to work with Christiansen in the offseason, his form mirrored Brady.

 

[RayClay]

Another thing to think about: Garoppolo was converted from LB(!) to QB in high school. Jeff Christiansen, his QB coach, didn't just train him to play QB. He trained him to play QB like Tom Brady. Literally.

Jimmy Garoppolo, Tom Brady’s fill-in, learned to play quarterback by imitating him

Interesting. Seems he trained him well.

 

[70Dart]

You don't? Garoppolo has 91 career passing attempts and plays in an offense that is unique and which facilitates success at the QB position. It's not like JG was a sure-fire star with rare athleticism coming out school, ala Aaron Rodgers. You think a team would part with a first and a second for a guy who looked good for six quarters before getting injured on a routine play?

Jimmy was a second rounder at a smaller school. He has a strong arm, he can read the defense very well. He can make his check downs and he is accurate. All that being said, I don't see any team giving an obscene amount for him. The Browns will have the first over all pick in the draft. If they were smart, they would try to work out some kind of deal, may be a second and a third this year and first for next year to get Jimmy, then go after some OL to protect JG. They have got Joe Thomas, now they need to get some other guys to compliment Thomas and keep JG clean and build around that. Joe Thomas is at the top of his game right now, but who knows how long he has left as a top tier LT.

 

[deroc5050]

Would you trade Jimmy G for the Browns Eagles 1st round pick straight up?

 

[Marqui]

Would you trade Jimmy G for the Browns Eagles 1st round pick straight up?

I'd want more than that. I'd at least want their 2nd too.

 

[deroc5050]

I'd want more than that. I'd at least want their 2nd too.

lol there is not a chance that is happening. We could trade the over all number 10 pick and get maybe a later 1st rounder and maybe a 3rd rounder. But we are not getting a top 10 pick and there 2nd round pick. That would be pick #10 and #33.

If Jimmy G played all 4 games and continued to light it up and put up 8-9 TD's and no picks I could see them getting a 1st and a 2nd. But he played less than a game and a half... He looked great but that is a very small amount of tape to grade him. Not to mention his toughness and durability could be an issue.

 

[PatriotsPimp136]

lol there is not a chance that is happening. We could trade the over all number 10 pick and get maybe a later 1st rounder and maybe a 3rd rounder. But we are not getting a top 10 pick and there 2nd round pick. That would be pick #10 and #33.

If Jimmy G played all 4 games and continued to light it up and put up 8-9 TD's and no picks I could see them getting a 1st and a 2nd. But he played less than a game and a half... He looked great but that is a very small amount of tape to grade him. Not to mention his toughness and durability could be an issue.

I think he's worth that. Jimmy G could bulk up after the season's over. I wish we could keep him because i really feel he can be brady's successor but brady want's to keep playing. I said he's better than anyone in this quarterback class and team's are hungry to get a quarterback. Not impressed with any of these 2017 QBs

 

[Danger Zone]

Actually Game of Thrones is my safe place. Madam Secretary is where I go to watch how the department of state SHOULD work.

West Wing is how I wish the state department worked (Bannon instead of Leo? sigh) -though even as much of a Tia Leone fan I am I haven't watched Madam Secretary.

As to Garappolo (and football), I could see keeping him for another year or pushing things back to the trade deadline even if it means losing some trade value IF the coaches have a good feeling about Brissett. Another year and the Brady's successor picture should be that much clearer.

 

[stcjones]

And I have been STUNNED after every NFL Draft in the Belichick era......so what the $&@#% does all this mean?!?! )

Adam Schefter: Person close to team would be ‘stunned’ if Patriots traded Jimmy Garoppolo


Given the weak QB class in the 2017 draft (and Brady showing no sign of decline) I'd be very surprised if the Pats didn't deal Garoppolo.

But as I've said in the past... Garoppolo is a solid talent and Brady's decline might come sooner than we realize. In which case, keeping Jimmy for another season on the final year of his rookie contract, could make sense from an insurance perspective.

Hard to imagine Brady slowing down.....but you never know

 

[patfanken]

West Wing is how I wish the state department worked (Bannon instead of Leo? sigh) -though even as much of a Tia Leone fan I am I haven't watched Madam Secretary.

As to Garappolo (and football), I could see keeping him for another year or pushing things back to the trade deadline even if it means losing some trade value IF the coaches have a good feeling about Brissett. Another year and the Brady's successor picture should be that much clearer.

If keep JG, here's the problem. If Jimmy stays and Brady maintains his excellence (which is likely), you've lost tons of leverage in trading him. Every team knows that the Pats would have to franchise him, and I have no idea if that's even going to be possible, but lets say you can. Like in 2009, franchising him only gains you a few days to make a trade because having Brady at his cap number and Garapolo at over 20MM would completely paralyse any FA activity UNTIL you make that trade.

So every team KNOWS that you have to move fast. The ONLY reason for them to trade anything in the first place is to eliminate the risk of having to recruit him. The whole league knows you eventualy have to drop the franchise tag. So JG loses value because the time considerations. Then there is the money. Anyone who wants to trade for JG next season knows they also have to pay him at LEAST Ostweiler money from day one, if they get him this season they get a year to decide whether to play him big money. So that loses you value in the market.

Unlike this season, Jimmy is likely to get very limited snaps in his last year with the Pats, and his 6 great quarters in 2016 will start to fade over 2017, and that CAN'T help his value. Finally the QB draft class THIS season flat out sucks. There are no QB's worthy of a top 5 pick. Hell, I just read where on draft guru at NFL.com doesn't believe there is a single QB who is worthy of ANY first round pick, and NONE look to be an immediate starter. But there is no guarantee how the 2018 QB class will look, except it almost has to be better, and THAT would lower JG's value if it's a better class than this one. Bottom line, under those circumstances, the Pats getting a midround 2nd rounder would be a great job by them, and the more likely result would be a 3rd.

I personally believe JG is worth a top 15 pick this season and a 2nd day pick the year after. There is only one FA QB prospect better than JG, and that's Tony Romo. So if you don't want to spend big bucks for a good, injury prone QB at the end of his career, JG is hands down the best QB prospect any team who needs a QB can get. No one in the draft, no one in FA, no one you can trade for.

So if you believe that, and gi ven how important having a good QB is to the success of a football program, how can you NOT give the Pats your first round pick. We all know how even first round picks are crapshoots anyway, JG is a MUCH safer bet, at a much lower cost. How can you not make that trade.

 

[Deus Irae]

lol there is not a chance that is happening. We could trade the over all number 10 pick and get maybe a later 1st rounder and maybe a 3rd rounder. But we are not getting a top 10 pick and there 2nd round pick. That would be pick #10 and #33.

If Jimmy G played all 4 games and continued to light it up and put up 8-9 TD's and no picks I could see them getting a 1st and a 2nd. But he played less than a game and a half... He looked great but that is a very small amount of tape to grade him. Not to mention his toughness and durability could be an issue.

Is he worth a Bradford return (1st, 4th), an RGINT return (3 1sts, 2nd), a Schaub return (2 2nds, 1st round swap), etc...? That depends on the market and, no offense, but you don't know what JAG's value is.

 

[Danger Zone]

If keep JG, here's the problem. If Jimmy stays and Brady maintains his excellence (which is likely), you've lost tons of leverage in trading him. Every te yam knows that the Pats would have to franchise him, and I have no idea if that's even going to be possible, but lets say you can. Like in 2009, franchising him only gains you a few days to make a trade because having Brady at his cap number and Garapolo at over 20MM would completely paralyse any FA activity UNTIL you make that trade.

So every team KNOWS that you have to move fast. The ONLY reason for them to trade anything in the first place is to eliminate the risk of having to recruit him. The whole league knows you eventualy have to drop the franchise tag. So JG loses value because the time considerations. Then there is the money. Anyone who wants to trade for JG next season knows they also have to pay him at LEAST Ostweiler money from day one, if they get him this season they get a year to decide whether to play him big money. So that loses you value in the market.

Unlike this season, Jimmy is likely to get very limited snaps in his last year with the Pats, and his 6 great quarters in 2016 will start to fade over 2017, and that CAN'T help his value. Finally the QB draft class THIS season flat out sucks. There are no QB's worthy of a top 5 pick. Hell, I just read where on draft guru at NFL.com doesn't believe there is a single QB who is worthy of ANY first round pick, and NONE look to be an immediate starter. But there is no guarantee how the 2018 QB class will look, except it almost has to be better, and THAT would lower JG's value if it's a better class than this one. Bottom line, under those circumstances, the Pats getting a midround 2nd rounder would be a great job by them, and the more likely result would be a 3rd.

I personally believe JG is worth a top 15 pick this season and a 2nd day pick the year after. There is only one FA QB prospect better than JG, and that's Tony Romo. So if you don't want to spend big bucks for a good, injury prone QB at the end of his career, JG is hands down the best QB prospect any team who needs a QB can get. No one in the draft, no one in FA, no one you can trade for.

So if you believe that, and gi ven how important having a good QB is to the success of a football program, how can you NOT give the Pats your first round pick. We all know how even first round picks are crapshoots anyway, JG is a MUCH safer bet, at a much lower cost. How can you not make that trade.

I have no problem with this kind of thinking/strategy. If Garappolo is truly a franchise qb (and Brissett after another year's look isnt looking like he's going to be a starter) then I'd hate to let Garappolo go even with the cap implications.

I say this with the perhaps naive suspicion that both Brady and Garappolo would play for high backup qb wages in order to finish/start his career here.

It does assume a lot. Namely that Garappolo might be willing to play the Rodgers to Brady's Favre and that the two of them would be willing to take on a combination of wages not adding up to more than say 24 or 25 million or perhaps a little more.

Still, you are right in that Garappolo won't receive the snaps here to even know for sure he's worth the 12m per year. In that the coaches would have be confident they have another franchise qb in him.

Oddly my way of thinking might be more conservative but yours could end up the "safer" of the two.

 

[Mogamedogz]

This is what you call...

Driving up the price.

 

[supafly]

Would you trade Jimmy G for the Browns Eagles 1st round pick straight up?

Top 10 pick, correct? Hell, yes I would do it. That's obviously if they're expecting Brady to continue playing for the next several years. I think they wait and see how next year plays out first, though. If it comes down to it, Bill can use the tag/trade route in 2018 like he did with Cassel.

 

[DarrylS]

Shefter has gotta fill some space, so he may as well go with pure speculation..

The reason Brissett was activated was so he could continue to practice with the team, to make sure he progresses during his tutelage this year and to better assess if he is heir apparent to #12..

Hard to picture a situation where they would have to pay Garrapolo or lose his for comp picks solely, he is one of the best bargaining chips they have had in a long time.. and the decisions made will drive that butt wipe Goodell absolutely over the edge..

 

[goheels22002]

How stunned was that source when Collins got traded? Mankins? Seymour?

Good question. Initially those were head scratchers, but each was done for good reason. Whoever this source is should be anything but "stunned" if JG gets traded. Maybe the source should buy a radio or log onto the internet.

Garoppolo is classic trade bait. He's not on the downside of his career, and there's no sign that he's not working hard to get better in the Patriots' system. Garoppolo he will command enough money when his contract expires to exceed how much the Patriots can dedicate to the QB position without sacrificing depth elsewhere.

Unless they can work out a back-loaded deal, I expect him to go. Unfortunately. I like JG a lot as the heir apparent.