Riley Cooper's new deal, and the effect on market price for Julian Edelman

[JackBauer]

If the Patriots let Edelman walk BB and Kraft both need Brian surgery. We have too many ???'s on Offense with inury prone players and all to let Edelman walk. Our current situation on Offense make Edelman resign a MUST!

This is too funny. Your prescription for an offense with too many inury [sic] prone players is to sign another injury prone player?

Brilliant!

 

[strngplyr]

Talented players will find their way into the lineup, particularly at a skill position like wide receiver. Fact is, Edelman, like Amendola, is also injury prone, and hadn't done anything of note until this season. Now people are going to buy high on him, and I'm not sure that's really the wise thing to do.

Having both healthy and on the field at the same time, I'd take Amendola. After the Bills game, it's hard to see how chemistry is an issue. And at any rate, it doesn't matter: Amendola's under contract and it doesn't make sense to cut him so we can (in likelihood) overpay for a facsimile.

So you don't think Amendola has a chemistry issue with Brady, yet outside of one game, he never consistently produced, even when healthy.

Don't cite the Steelers game as an example either, because he was WIDE open 40 yards down field, multiple times, because they couldn't cover anything on that day.

I call that a lack of trust and chemistry, and Brady isn't an easy guy to build that rapport with as we've seen through the years. I think he requires a lot more out of receivers than they may initially expect and we haven't seen many guys trusted the way he did with Welker, Moss, and a few guys he came into the league with when he was probably easier to work (I'm classifying Branch as one of these early guys).

Edelman looks like he has that trust and its well documented that he is one of Brady's best friends. I'm not going to be so quick to let his best friend walk away for a consecutive season if I'm Bill.

 

[ripatsfan91]

Everyone is preaching to draft another TE to be that 2nd horizontal threat you covet. I personally would probably prefer that too. Creates more options having a 2TE/2WR offense vs 3WR 1TE.

Edit: I also would like to see what Boyce and Thompkins can do in that intermediate area more, Dobson is obviously here to be the tall deep threat, I see Thompkins filling the mid field role with Gronk, Boyce, Vereen, and another TE to fill the underneath area, and JE filling multiple roles.

I want another Gronk-esque tight end. A guy that has the size to block but can also be a receiving threat; someone that can run the seam, corner, post, and out routes. That would pretty effectively space the field for Brady. For me that guy is Niklas, he is 6-7 270 and will only get stronger and faster. He has unreal athleticism for his size and isn't brought down easily in the open field.

Imagine a 2 TE set with Gronk, Niklas, Dobson, and Edelman. Gronk runs the seam drawing the coverage back and to the center of the field. Niklas runs a corner route drawing the other safety to opposite side of the field. That will pretty much give Dobson and Edelman one on one coverage on the outside. Dobson runs a deep comeback and Edelman runs a drag route underneath where there is little coverage because Gronk cleared it by running a seam. That is the type of player we need.

Turning Points - Niklas 66-yard Vertical Seam Route - YouTube

 

[PatsFan2]

So you don't think Amendola has a chemistry issue with Brady, yet outside of one game, he never consistently produced, even when healthy.

Don't cite the Steelers game as an example either, because he was WIDE open 40 yards down field, multiple times, because they couldn't cover anything on that day.

I call that a lack of trust and chemistry, and Brady isn't an easy guy to build that rapport with as we've seen through the years. I think he requires a lot more out of receivers than they may initially expect and we haven't seen many guys trusted the way he did with Welker, Moss, and a few guys he came into the league with when he was probably easier to work (I'm classifying Branch as one of these early guys).

Edelman looks like he has that trust and its well documented that he is one of Brady's best friends. I'm not going to be so quick to let his best friend walk away for a consecutive season if I'm Bill.

The masses around here don't think Edelman is worth $5 or Armendola's money so we should just cut our losses and let him walk. I am intrigued to see what BB thinks in couple of weeks.

 

[JackBauer]

So you don't think Amendola has a chemistry issue with Brady, yet outside of one game, he never consistently produced, even when healthy.

He never consistently produced because he was never healthy, which should be obvious simply by watching him run routes.

Don't cite the Steelers game as an example either, because he was WIDE open 40 yards down field, multiple times, because they couldn't cover anything on that day.

I don't really care for this argument. Should we qualify Mario Williams' sack total because 4.5 of them came against Carolina? After all, they couldn't block anything that day.

I call that a lack of trust and chemistry, and Brady isn't an easy guy to build that rapport with as we've seen through the years.

Yet in the first game, when Amendola was undoubtedly healthy, where did Brady turn when they needed to win the game?

I think he requires a lot more out of receivers than they may initially expect and we haven't seen many guys trusted the way he did with Welker, Moss, and a few guys he came into the league with when he was probably easier to work (I'm classifying Branch as one of these early guys).

I think this is certainly true.

Edelman looks like he has that trust and its well documented that he is one of Brady's best friends. I'm not going to be so quick to let his best friend walk away for a consecutive season if I'm Bill.

Honestly I don't think this perspective can factor in much, if at all, to BB's decision-making.

 

[Deus Irae]

The effect of Riley Cooper's new deal is that a WR3 just got a $5m AAV deal.

 

[RayClay]

So you don't think Amendola has a chemistry issue with Brady, yet outside of one game, he never consistently produced, even when healthy.

Don't cite the Steelers game as an example either, because he was WIDE open 40 yards down field, multiple times, because they couldn't cover anything on that day.

I call that a lack of trust and chemistry, and Brady isn't an easy guy to build that rapport with as we've seen through the years. I think he requires a lot more out of receivers than they may initially expect and we haven't seen many guys trusted the way he did with Welker, Moss, and a few guys he came into the league with when he was probably easier to work (I'm classifying Branch as one of these early guys).

Edelman looks like he has that trust and its well documented that he is one of Brady's best friends. I'm not going to be so quick to let his best friend walk away for a consecutive season if I'm Bill.

He was 100% healthy for a quarter of football. When he came back limited, Edelman had four complete games to work in without him. He played in pain to win us a game in Buffalo and was probably in pain all year when he moved certain ways.

He had 4 receptions on the game winning drive, 3 for first downs, playing with a totally ruptured tendon. I don't know what people expect.

 

[RayClay]

Plus, by the time Amendola returned at 80% or less, I'm guessing, Brady had been throwing to Edelman for 5 games and the plays were probably being designed for Edelman who, fortunately, had yeras in the system including a stretch where he was being groomed as the starter in the slot.

Why, in the middle of the season, would they change again to a guy who'd only played one game and was limited physically from a guy with years in the system who had played a lot the last 5 games. They want to win games. Amendola and other receivers were back to prove it (physically or rookies). You don't stop the season to accommodate one player, when you have a guy who is in rhythm and healthy (this year).

 

[primetime]

The masses around here don't think Edelman is worth $5 or Armendola's money so we should just cut our losses and let him walk. I am intrigued to see what BB thinks in couple of weeks.

I should probably know better than to ask this question, but what's with your completely inexplicable inability to spell Amendola's name (or pretty much anything else) correctly?

 

[PatsChamp88]

I don't think it'll have any effect but I do see Edelman getting a similar contract to Amendola but making one million more a year just because of the extra cap space and lack of attractive receivers in free agency.

 

[PatsChamp88]

The effect of Riley Cooper's new deal is that a WR3 just got a $5m AAV deal.

WR3 as in tier?

 

[supafly]

So you don't think Amendola has a chemistry issue with Brady, yet outside of one game, he never consistently produced, even when healthy.

Amendola still averaged 4.5 catches per game in his horrible season, had a much higher 1st down rate than Edelman, had a bigger YPC average, and caught 2/3rds of his targets. Had he not missed those 4 games (it's hard to argue, I realize) he'd have caught 72 passes this year. While that's not "great," it's not horrible enough that we need to question his chemistry with Brady in his very first season here.

Maybe you don't remember the preseason game where Brady hit him 7 times in the first quarter and everyone here was excited as hell? That didn't look to be anything of a chemistry issue to me, neither did the first game of the regular season.

The issue was that Amendola became injured, and Edelman received 151 targets compared to Amendola's 83.

Even if you're correct and there is a chemistry issue, I doubt that it's anything to be that concerned about after a whole new offseason of OTAs, minis, TC, and the preseason.

 

[RayClay]

Amendola still averaged 4.5 catches per game in his horrible season, had a much higher 1st down rate than Edelman, had a bigger YPC average, and caught 2/3rds of his targets. Had he not missed those 4 games (it's hard to argue, I realize) he'd have caught 72 passes this year. While that's not "great," it's not horrible enough that we need to question his chemistry with Brady in his very first season here.

Maybe you don't remember the preseason game where Brady hit him 7 times in the first quarter and everyone here was excited as hell? That didn't look to be anything of a chemistry issue to me, neither did the first game of the regular season.

The issue was that Amendola became injured, and Edelman received 151 targets compared to Amendola's 83.

Even if you're correct and there is a chemistry issue, I doubt that it's anything to be that concerned about after a whole new offseason of OTAs, minis, TC, and the preseason.

There was a chemistry issue. for four games at the beginning of the season, Amendola was inert and Edleman was active (are those chemistry terms?)

 

[supafly]

Here is Borges' take:

Life of Riley for Edelman | Boston Herald

Hint: he sides against the team.

According to this thinking, Cooper's 5/25 pact is the floor not the ceiling. He quoted an agent who claimed that Edelman should be looking for a deal comparable to the 5/30 that Hartline received by stating "I don't see the Pats doing that, but some fool will."

I wonder how many here are going to lose their minds when they deem Belichick in idiot for letting both Welker and Edelman walk for more money?

 

[patsfan-1982]

call me crazy but I think BB is going to value LeGarrette Blount more then Edelman. meaning he will try harder to bring him back I think Edelman will get a offer of 4 per year take it or leave it, and that may be a good thing cause we all know the first time Stevan Ridley fumbles his going to the bench and the pats would then turn to Brandon Bolden without Blount

 

[supafly]

call me crazy but I think BB is going to value LeGarrette Blount more then Edelman. meaning he will try harder to bring him back I think Edelman will get a offer of 4 per year take it or leave it, and that may be a good thing cause we all know the first time Stevan Ridley fumbles his going to the bench and the pats would then turn to Brandon Bolden without Blount

Our own Greg Bedard (previously) stated in his Sports Illustrated MMQB column that he values Blount at #52, with Edelman coming in six places below that at #58, so it seems as though he agrees with you.

 

[ripatsfan91]

Here is Borges' take:

Life of Riley for Edelman | Boston Herald

Hint: he sides against the team.

According to this thinking, Cooper's 5/25 pact is the floor not the ceiling. He quoted an agent who claimed that Edelman should be looking for a deal comparable to the 5/30 that Hartline received by stating "I don't see the Pats doing that, but some fool will."

I wonder how many here are going to lose their minds when they deem Belichick in idiot for letting both Welker and Edelman walk for more money?

Interesting because Kirwan and John Clayton have both stated that this is going to be a buyers market for receivers. This draft class of receivers is thought to be the deepest of all time with Watkins, Evans, Lee, Beckham, Cooks, Benjamin, Robinson, and Matthews were all graded as either 1st round picks or 1st-2nd rounders. They suggest that a lot of teams will wait until the draft to upgrade receiver because the class is deep and talented and they wont have to shell out a big contract. I tend to agree with them. I think Decker is going to be the only receiver that gets a huge deal.

He could be looking for a deal similar to Hartline, but I don't think he gets it. He also made the case for Cooper's deal being the ceiling by saying this is a flashy player league and Cooper was tied with megatron for YPC. My guess is a deal between 3.5-5 million. He won't break the bank.

 

[Joker]

Edelman seems to be pretty intelligent. He HAS to have seen Welker's season of brain trauma after brain trauma in the Manning "Completions!!!" offense. He's still got all his marbles in the bag so to speak. He has demonstrated a very high degree of efficiency with Brady. Perhaps he weighs the pluses and minuses of moving on. Perhaps he doesn't. One thing he DOES know, from watching, is you move to a new offense as a a slot guy, you better have a good post career nursing home for concussion cases written into your contract.

 

[Deus Irae]

Interesting because Kirwan and John Clayton have both stated that this is going to be a buyers market for receivers. This draft class of receivers is thought to be the deepest of all time with Watkins, Evans, Lee, Beckham, Cooks, Benjamin, Robinson, and Matthews were all graded as either 1st round picks or 1st-2nd rounders. They suggest that a lot of teams will wait until the draft to upgrade receiver because the class is deep and talented and they wont have to shell out a big contract. I tend to agree with them. I think Decker is going to be the only receiver that gets a huge deal.

He could be looking for a deal similar to Hartline, but I don't think he gets it. He also made the case for Cooper's deal being the ceiling by saying this is a flashy player league and Cooper was tied with megatron for YPC. My guess is a deal between 3.5-5 million. He won't break the bank.

I look forward to teams relying on rookies for their WR needs. I think we all know what that's likely to mean for them.

I'm just not as confident as Kirwan and Clayton that there will be lots of teams stupid enough to actually do it.

 

[ripatsfan91]

I look forward to teams relying on rookies for their WR needs. I think we all know what that's likely to mean for them.

I'm just not as confident as Kirwan and Clayton that there will be lots of teams stupid enough to actually do it.

There are 13 rookie receivers who could go in the first 64 picks and they are better than every receiver last year (which is why Cooks is getting none of the hype Austin got).

Its not a matter of relying on rookies, its a matter of value.