Rapoport, Schefter: Josh McDaniels, Dave Ziegler hired by Raiders for HC/GM Positions

[Ring 6]

Once again, Meyer said 75% of the job is recruiting. His winning isn’t evidence that he’s good at the other 25% of the job. It means he phenomenal at the 75% that matters in college. Just like Rick Pitino.

I asked for evidence that he knew how to do the other 25% of the job, because winning wasn’t it. You said there was evidence he was good at the other 25%. I asked for specivics. Your response is that he won.

Sorry. You’re entitled to your opinion just as I am, but just know your opinion is not fact based. Happy to hear evidence to the contrary and be convinced otherwise, Lord knows I’ve been wrong about a million things. But I’m just not seeing it here.

No Meyers did not say 75% of his success was recruiting and coaching doesn’t matter.

Your opinion is not fact based either, it’s your opinion.
Manipulating quotes into meaning what they don’t isn’t staring a fact.

If you don’t know what a coach does, you are over your head in this conversation.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

No Meyers did not say 75% of his success was recruiting and coaching doesn’t matter.

Your opinion is not fact based either, it’s your opinion.
Manipulating quotes into meaning what they don’t isn’t staring a fact.

If you don’t know what a coach does, you are over your head in this conversation.

The coach said he spent 75% of the time on the job recruiting. That means that 75% of his job and therefore 75% of his success is due to recruiting. Just like any other career, if you spend 75% of your day doing one thing, it‘s because it’s extremely important to your success. It’s the reason the Peter principle exists in the business world; those who are competent at certain things get promoted to positions where they no longer do what they’re competent at, and get exposed on those other skills. Meyer got a new job where he no longer did what he was successful at, and got exposed on his other skills. If you don’t understand that, you are over your head in this conversation.

 

[Ring 6]

The coach said he spent 75% of the time on the job recruiting. That means that 75% of his job and therefore 75% of his success is due to recruiting. Just like any other career, if you spend 75% of your day doing one thing, it‘s because it’s extremely important to your success. It’s the reason the Peter principle exists in the business world; those who are competent at certain things get promoted to positions where they no longer do what they’re competent at, and get exposed on those other skills. Meyer got a new job where he no longer did what he was successful at, and got exposed on his other skills. If you don’t understand that, you are over your head in this conversation.

Are you being purposely ignorant?

 

[Hammer of Thor]

Are you being purposely ignorant?

Are you being purposely ignorant?

I asked you specific questions for to prove your point, and you had no answer for them. Sorry, that doesn’t cut it. I have seen nothing that shows Urban Meyer is anything other than a JAG when it comes to specific game planning and motivating athletes. I have seen a ton of evidence that he knows how to get the best athletes and is able to convince them that he knows what he’s doing. He himself said that was 75% of what he did on the job.

 

[Ring 6]

Are you being purposely ignorant?

I asked you specific questions for to prove your point, and you had no answer for them. Sorry, that doesn’t cut it. I have seen nothing that shows Urban Meyer is anything other than a JAG when it comes to specific game planning and motivating athletes. I have seen a ton of evidence that he knows how to get the best athletes and is able to convince them that he knows what he’s doing.

I am not going to make you a list of the responsibilities of a football coach while you wallow in ignorance that the fact that a majority of time has to be spent recruiting when the season is 3 months long and the recruiting season is 9. That must mean that since NFL coaches don’t spend time acquiring personnel then they spend 75% of their time doing nothing.
You are totally misusing, and misconstruing a comment in order to make a stupid point.

Perhaps you should ask Bill Belichick why he went to UF to meet with Meyer to learn and incorporate aspects of his offense. Perhaps you should pay attention to the job he did at Utah, going 10-2 and 12-0 with someone else’s recruits.
Maybe you can check out how he won 2 National Championship at UF and created the most dynamic offense in the NCAA with Tim Tebow at QB. How he won the first national championship in year 2, again without his recruits.
Perhaps you can look into how he went to an Ohio State program on probation with recruiting sanctions taking over a 6-7 then going 83-9, 55-4 in the conference and won a national title. And how he went 12-0, 12-2 and 14-1 in his first 3 years, which has almost nothing to do with his recruiting.

Or why not just admit for some reason you don’t like the guy, don’t know anything about him. and took a superfluous quote to start an argument that you are severely I’ll-informed about.

 

[scott99]

It’s weird that the Raiders official Twitter announced the Ziegler signing, but not McDaniels yet, unless I’m missing something.

 

[Hammer of Thor]

I am not going to make you a list of the responsibilities of a football coach while you wallow in ignorance that the fact that a majority of time has to be spent recruiting when the season is 3 months long and the recruiting season is 9. That must mean that since NFL coaches don’t spend time acquiring personnel then they spend 75% of their time doing nothing.

The man wouldn’t have been talking about recruiting during the regular season if that doesn’t happen during the college football season. Early signing begins on December 15, after the regular season but before bowl season. They don’t go in blindly on this front. Sure, more of thr action is done in the offseason, but it’s very clear a good amount of the effort is done during the regular season. Your 3 months of the year comment implies there is no spring football, and no summer training camp.

You are totally misusing, and misconstruing a comment in order to make a stupid point.

Perhaps you should ask Bill Belichick why he went to UF to meet with Meyer to learn and incorporate aspects of his offense..
Perhaps you should pay attention to the job he did at Utah, going 10-2 and 12-0 with someone else’s recruits.
Maybe you can check out how he won 2 National Championship at UF and created the most dynamic offense in the NCAA with Tim Tebow at QB. How he won the first national championship in year 2, again without his recruits.
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Perhaps you can look into how he went to an Ohio State program on probation with recruiting sanctions taking over a 6-7 then going 83-9, 55-4 in the conference and won a national title. And how he went 12-0, 12-2 and 14-1 in his first 3 years, which has almost nothing to do with his recruiting.

Thank you. I asked for specific evidence of what he did, and you finally responded with evidence. This could have saved a lot of back and forth; this is all I was looking for. And those are certainly good points. I will just note that while Meyer didn‘t start with his own Utah recruits, he did have Alex Smith, an accomplished NFL quarterback. And that Florida certainly had talent when he got there - and his immediate impact was improving from 4-4 in the SEC to 5-3. And that while Ohio State was sanctioned, their effect really tends to be minimal when the head coach is a name - and Meyer was certainly a name by then and was able to get the #3 ranked recruiting class in the country in 2012. And again, they had talent when he got there; the 6-7 record in 2012 was their worst in a decade and occurred while the coach was under investigation and then under an interim coach, which are unusual circumstances. They were 12-1 in 2010 and 11-2 in 2009 which is evidence of the talent and the extraordinary circumstances of 2011. Frankly from my view, what he his with Tebow and the subsequent prodding by Belichick is the mos compelling argument in his favor.

Or why not just admit for some reason you don’t like the guy, don’t know anything about him. and took a superfluous quote to start an argument that you are severely I’ll-informed about.

I will admit I don’t like him and am biased about him, but that was not a superfluous quote. And I’m well aware of Meyer’s record and again will note that his Utah situation was the only one he walked into without a star program already behind him…. But he happened to also have a 10 year NFL starting QB there.

Anyway, happy to continue this conversation via PM if you’re interested to spare everyone else who doesn’t care about this. But again, thank you for providing your arguments.

 

[stephens44]

Losing the de facto GM and the OC is a lot of brain drain.... Should be an above average interesting off season as the team moves on from the Dynasty years. I don't like being in the middle of the pack. Without a stellar draft, the future looks like death by being just above average.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

The old saying is you are only as good as your third and fourth receivers.

we have our offensive coordinator some serious cheese whiz to work with as our third and fourth receivers.

better offensive players = better offensive results, regardless of who is calling the plays.

 

[Ring 6]

The man wouldn’t have been talking about recruiting during the regular season if that doesn’t happen during the college football season. Early signing begins on December 15, after the regular season but before bowl season. They don’t go in blindly on this front. Sure, more of thr action is done in the offseason, but it’s very clear a good amount of the effort is done during the regular season. Your 3 months of the year comment implies there is no spring football, and no summer training camp.


Thank you. I asked for specific evidence of what he did, and you finally responded with evidence. This could have saved a lot of back and forth; this is all I was looking for. And those are certainly good points. I will just note that while Meyer didn‘t start with his own Utah recruits, he did have Alex Smith, an accomplished NFL quarterback. And that Florida certainly had talent when he got there - and his immediate impact was improving from 4-4 in the SEC to 5-3. And that while Ohio State was sanctioned, their effect really tends to be minimal when the head coach is a name - and Meyer was certainly a name by then and was able to get the #3 ranked recruiting class in the country in 2012. And again, they had talent when he got there; the 6-7 record in 2012 was their worst in a decade and occurred while the coach was under investigation and then under an interim coach, which are unusual circumstances. They were 12-1 in 2010 and 11-2 in 2009 which is evidence of the talent and the extraordinary circumstances of 2011. Frankly from my view, what he his with Tebow and the subsequent prodding by Belichick is the mos compelling argument in his favor.

I will admit I don’t like him and am biased about him, but that was not a superfluous quote. And I’m well aware of Meyer’s record and again will note that his Utah situation was the only one he walked into without a star program already behind him…. But he happened to also have a 10 year NFL starting QB there.

Anyway, happy to continue this conversation via PM if you’re interested to spare everyone else who doesn’t care about this. But again, thank you for providing your arguments.

I’ll accept that you realize you were wrong as you now admit an agenda, are changing “he could only recruit” to other bs arguments when I proved that he had immediate success everywhere he went.
I shouldnt have had to waste my time teaching you about his career and accomplishments as you should have known them before you set out to argue.

 

[Pats2000]

I figured for a while it'd take a golden opportunity for Josh to leave, and this looks pretty golden. A good roster already competing for a playoff spot, with the ability to make personnel decisions (while they're hiring Ziegler, I'm sure he and Ziegler will most likely work in-tandem both coming from NE). Additionally, he can probably get Garoppolo this year if he wants him and flip Carr for picks.

Why would he want Garrapolo over Carr? I'd take Carr every day of the week.

 

[scott99]

We've had 3 OCs work with Brady. Weis, McD, O'Brien

McD was the best of the 3, and better than Leftwich too

NEM, is that you ?

 

[Pats2000]

Not seeing it a 3rd time.

DKF is probably throwing a party right now.

If by party, you mean him and his mom, then yes, party it is

 

[jdlboot14]

So ultimately the Raiders just feel more comfortable with visor-wearing HC's. That's the major JMD attraction. Gruden's visor, and now McDaniel's visor.

 

[Jim Beankie]

Except for second rnd picks i pretty much trust him

Geez - with the exception of Gronk, Branch, and Light, (Baremore pending), it really has been a wasteland.

 

[Jim Beankie]

I’ll see your four and raise you Dozens of second rnd busts

Oh no - I agree with you - it's quite shocking how much of a waste it's been.

 

[reflexblue]

Oh no - I agree with you - it's quite shocking how much of a waste it's been.

My mistake sorry, for misinterpreting

 

[Brotherblues]

I would guess that there will be no person actually given the title of Offensive Coordinator in 2022, based on past history - unless the Pats rehire Bill O'Brien. I think more likely Ivan Fears will be the de facto OC, and handed the title in 2023.

Assuming that they promote from within there are few other choices.

Current Staff, Offense:
RB - Ivan Fears
WR - Mick Lombardi
WR - Troy Brown (also KR)
OL - Carmen Bricillo
OL - Cole Popovich
TE, FB - Nick Caley
QB/QC - Bo Hardegree

That career path to OC at 70 years old is just a bit unlikely.

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

Additionally, he can probably get Garoppolo this year if he wants him and flip Carr for picks.

You were kidding? Sarcasm? You are chiding the posters that use to say how good Jimmy G was and wanted him back in NE?

 

[Triumph]

Some of the Raiders key players dont like the hire.

Jacobs tweeted something negative that he removed. Carr and some others are talking up the HC that they had.