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Pursuit of the Bye (1st Seed)

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Patriots need to take it one game at a time. We’re fans so were allowed to think ahead but one game at a time.

With that said, if we go 15-2 and win the superbowl then that would be insanity and I’d be here for it
If we go 9-8 I’ll be here for it
 
Could also mean we drop one of the games against the not as good teams. Could be due to happen at some point.
They might be the 4 worst teams in the league. They are at least all in the bottom 10. Crazy upsets can happen, but predicting them to happen to teams that are 9-2 is kind of silly.
 
Is it possible a "punch in the mouth" type of loss might be good for the Patriots? Sometimes teams can start to read their own press clippings. And need to be humbled.

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting the Patriots actually are reading their own press clippings. Just that there are blessing in disguise moments. Maybe the Chiefs game in 2014 for example.
 
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It'll be one hell of a coaching job if we don't lose one of the Buff/Bal games and don't also lose one of those games that we should win in some sort of road flukey ****.

No idea how voters go, but 14-3 should make Vrabel the consensus COTY. Even 13-4 is such a heroic turnaround I think he deserves it but I feel like we historically don't get those kinda votes for some reason. Like Brady getting so few MVPs.
 
Is it possible a "punch in the mouth" type of loss might be good for the Patriots? Sometimes teams can start to read their own press clippings. And need to be humbled.

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting the Patriots actually are reading their own press clippings. Just that there are blessing in disguise moments. Maybe the Chiefs game in 2014 for example.
No. Losing never helps. It can be coincidental but it never helps.
 
Is it possible a "punch in the mouth" type of loss might be good for the Patriots? Sometimes teams can start to read their own press clippings. And need to be humbled.

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting the Patriots actually are reading their own press clippings. Just that there are blessing in disguise moments. Maybe the Chiefs game in 2014 for example.
I think the only way a loss ever "helps" is if the team needs a wake up call and something to galvanize them. That does not appear to be the case for this year, who still feel fueled by the last few bad years and then Vrabel seems to really instill a "day by day focus" type of culture and getting enjoyment out of that. So I'm inclined to say that a loss doesn't really do anything for us than potentially nuke our chances at homefield and maybe even the division because it's very tight on both fronts.
 
Is it possible a "punch in the mouth" type of loss might be good for the Patriots? Sometimes teams can start to read their own press clippings. And need to be humbled.

Just to clarify, I am not suggesting the Patriots actually are reading their own press clippings. Just that there are blessing in disguise moments. Maybe the Chiefs game in 2014 for example.

Yes, I'd prefer another reg season loss before the playoffs than just wins honestly. Getting humbled when it counts less is best. They're a very young, playoff inexperienced team, and more than likely they will stumble in the playoffs and will not be SB champs. My usual bet is that a young team won't win the champ their first year in the playoffs, it's just a stepping stone. With this theory it would be good to get humbled a bit before playoffs
 
nThis all makes me nervous, planning the post season. I know it looks promising, but I can't deal with anything other than one game at a time.

Agreed. Precisely because all this good fortune was so unexpected, we should savor it one week at a time. Because it wouldn't take much for the bubble to burst.
 
14-3 they get the BYE
13-4 they lose in tie breakers.

That is how i see it. Also a big reason why I wasn't automatically rooting for Denver to lose for KC yesterday. With 2 other teams in the mix it is less about what they do and more about what we do.

One team can have a bad game or run of them and screw it up and give the Pats extra breathing room to drop one. Two? It is much more doubtful. Just need to keep racking up Wins. Indy and Den aren't finishing 15-2. Neither are the Pats most likely.

I doubt they both finish 14-3. Maybe one does. If that happens just need to finish better or win the tie breaker. Realistically 14-3 should most likely do it though.

My though is this. Whoever gets the 3 seed it makes no difference if they win or lose the last game. All 3 teams are WAAAAY ahead of the Steelers/Ravens. So if worse comes to worst and the Pats look like they are going to get seed 3... it gives you the ability to have a bye week for your starters at least. And if it comes to fighting for the 2 or 3 seed. I treat week 17 as a bye anyway. The week of rest is worth more than a higher seed.

But this is yet another reason why i hate the current playoff format. Letting 7 teams in doesn't punish them enough for bad regular season play and having 1 bye instead of 2 gives a lot of teams very little to play for is one gets ahead. It takes a lot of drama out of it and the 2 seed isn't much of an incentive.
 
That nobody else has a better chance of having 13 or more wins than us
And Denver.

They have GB at home where they're undefeated and KC on the road. Even if KC is out of the postseason they will go all out to screw the Broncos up.
 
People hoping for another loss might remember the 2001 Patriots closed out the season with 10 straight wins. Now, 17 straight wins is a lot more than 10, I know, but there's nothing wrong with catching fire and winning 10 straight to close things out.
 
Could also mean we drop one of the games against the not as good teams. Could be due to happen at some point.
MIA is playing well over the past few weeks.
 
Yes, I'd prefer another reg season loss before the playoffs than just wins honestly. Getting humbled when it counts less is best. They're a very young, playoff inexperienced team, and more than likely they will stumble in the playoffs and will not be SB champs. My usual bet is that a young team won't win the champ their first year in the playoffs, it's just a stepping stone. With this theory it would be good to get humbled a bit before playoffs
Why do they need to be humbled?? What have you seen from the players or coaches that warrants this theory of yours.
 
If we somehow squeak out the 1st round bye, I could see us winning a home divisional game against anyone, and possibly making it to the CG - but I just don't think we're deep enough or experienced enough to go to the SB this year. And that's okay, it will give us extra motivation to get better, restock on talent, and be ready to push for it the next 2 years.
 
I can't believe anyone doubts that we won't lose another game. I expect at least 2 maybe 3. Hope I'm wrong.
 
Knowing the Patriots remaining schedule, it made me curious as to what Indy and Denver had left. I'll exclude the LAC given their O-line and injury issues, especially after the beatdown they took in Jacksonville yesterday. And outside of a major collapse by all three of these teams, I don't consider any other teams in the hunt.

Denver:

Denver has been scrappy and clutch all season. They tend to dig early holes before clawing their way back - probably not how they draw it up, but they've been on the right side of the scoreboard for eight straight weeks.

Week 12: Bye​
Week 13 @ WAS: This could be a letdown/trap game coming off a bye, on the road against a team likely out of contention. Leaning win.​
Week 14 @ LV: A divisional game on consecutive road weeks. They struggled against the Raiders at home, though that was on a short week (TNF). Leaning win.​
Week 15 vs GB: They'll be facing what I expect will be a playoff team still battling Chicago and Detroit for divisional positioning. Green Bay will show up ready to play. This could be Denver's first slip-up in 10 weeks if they haven't already stumbled. Leaning loss.​
Week 16 vs JAX: Jacksonville is the definition of Jekyll and Hyde - you never know which version shows up. That said, I expect Denver takes care of business at home.​
Week 17 @ KC: Kansas City will be desperate, and likely still fighting for playoff their playoff life heading into the final weeks. They have a rocky road ahead leading into this Denver matchup. Beating a divisional opponent is always tough in the NFL, even when they're struggling. It's even harder when that opponent has been the face of the league for nearly a decade and is clawing to stay in the playoff hunt. I'm firmly in the loss column here.​
Week 18 vs LAC: The Chargers may not have a functioning offensive line by Week 18. Depending on playoff scenarios, if Denver needs this win for seeding purposes, I'd chalk it up as a W.​

Indianapolis:

Indianapolis has faced the second-toughest strength of schedule in the league, and it doesn't get any easier. In fact, I'd be shocked if they stay in the race with New England and Denver. Their closing stretch is brutal - every remaining opponent is either a playoff team or fighting to get there. If they somehow capture the number one seed, I'd be shocked and would consider them Super Bowl favorites.

Week 12 @ KC: A team coming off a tough road loss to a division opponent, with their division title hopes extinguished and playoff hopes on life support. It's hard not to see this prideful team with a tough defense coming to play at home in front of Arrowhead. Factor in a dome team traveling to one of the league's most hostile environments. Indianapolis will either cement themselves as possibly the best team in the AFC and tickle the fat lady’s ass warming her up on KC's season, or Kansas City finds a way to stay alive. I lean toward the latter, though Indy has proven they're good. Playing outdoors is always a concern - they're 1-1 in outdoor games this year (Tennessee and Pittsburgh).​
Week 13 vs HOU: Stroud will likely be back for this matchup. Houston's defense is excellent, and with Stroud returning while fighting to stay in playoff contention, this divisional game has all the makings of a split series. Leaning win as the home team.​
Week 14 @ JAX: A divisional road game against a likely playoff team. Again, I'm going with the home team winning. Leaning loss.​
Week 15 @ SEA: Back-to-back road games against playoff teams - a really tough spot against an unfamiliar opponent in one of the league's loudest stadiums (and that's without speaker assistance). I believe this is where they lose any realistic shot at the number one seed. Predicting back-to-back losses based on current rosters.​
Week 16 vs SF: Coming home after what I expect will be back-to-back losses, albeit two tough road tests. San Francisco is another Jekyll and Hyde team, and who knows if it'll be Purdy or Mac Jones under center. Give me the Colts to bounce back here.​
Week 17 vs JAX: As stated above, I think they get the home win and split the series.​
Week 18 @ HOU: Same reasoning as Week 13 - home team wins.​

Indianapolis likely finishes with a highly respectable 11-6 or 12-5 record, making this a two-horse race between New England and Denver, primarily due to Indy's brutal schedule. That's a strange statement to write, and it's no less strange re-reading it, but that's where we are after Week 11.

New England gets a steady diet of winnable games ahead: a Burrow-less and Chase-less Bengals team, a scrappy Giants squad that could absolutely come into Gillette and win if Jones is healthy, then the only real tests - Buffalo at home and at Baltimore. The Bills game is a true coin flip. Baltimore, I lean win, mostly because their defense is terrible, though they'll likely still be hunting for a playoff spot or possibly the division. This will be our toughest remaining game - a road contest likely to get flexed to 4pm or Sunday Night after looking at the Week 16 slate (currently SNF is Bengals/Dolphins; 4pm games are Jags/Broncos and Pit/Det - I'd expect one of those three flexed to primetime), against an AFC elite. I believe these two games are excellent test/experience builder. Both games will be as close to a playoff atmosphere as it can get during the regular season. Then we finish against the Jets and Miami at home. The Jets will be playing for the first overall pick, and the Dolphins aren't winning in Foxboro in January - I'm not sure half their roster will even want to board the plane.

It's hard to see the Patriots not finishing either 14-3 or, more likely, 13-4. At 14-3, I think they secure the one seed and the bye. At 13-4, it likely comes down to tiebreakers - a rabbit hole I'm not foolish enough to fully explore. Keeping it surface-level with conference record: if New England loses again, it's likely to Buffalo or Baltimore – or both, giving them three or four conference losses with only one non-conference game remaining. Denver's likely losses to Green Bay and Kansas City would give them three conference losses. Outside of leaving nothing to chance and winning out (which I doubt), the Patriots have room for just one more loss in the conference or will most likely end up as the second seed.

I'll also point out that given where our bye lands and having a late-season Thursday Night Football game, we're in as good or better position to handle not having a playoff bye as any other team in the league.

This matrix only gets into strength of schedule for the remaining games (I believe based on last year's standings), which is somewhat of a moot point at this point in the season - but it's still helpful to see where we stand in terms of earning the bye


This gives us a 31% chance of getting the bye, with the Chargers and Bills most likely initial matchups if we don't

 
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