Pryor fined 7500 for hit on Favre...

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

This rule is extremely fair as it is quite simple. Did the defender hit the players head? Yes or no! End of analysis.

What if a blocker is pushing the defender and causing him to move to the right after initially tackling the QB under the armpit, which is what those still pictures clearly show.

 

[shmessy]

It is obvious from the slo-mo replays and the photos in post #55 that Pryor hits Favre in the armpit-collar bone area. As Favre goes backward and his arm comes forward Favre's head tilts down from the force of the hit and his chin INITIATES contact with the crown of Pryor's helmet.

 

[Deus Irae]

Wow that's a stretch.

It's not a stretch at all. Timlin's been making this point.

Quite the opposite. If the rule was if the player intentional hit the other player in the head foul but does it by accident then it is not would be where you would have much greater unfairness, b/c then someone else needs to figure out what is going thru the defenders head. That rule would be very unfair and afterwards fans would be always claiming the other guy did it on purpose but their player did it by accident. This rule is extremely fair as it is quite simple. Did the defender hit the players head? Yes or no! End of analysis.

The rule's not fair, it's idiotic. The fact that the former supervisor of officials (Pereira) AND the observation official at the game both thought the Pryor hit was a clean hit and it still drew a fine should have been a red flag for you.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

What if a blocker is pushing the defender and causing him to move to the right after initially tackling the QB under the armpit, which is what those still pictures clearly show.

Rule is still pretty simple to apply.

BTW some of you are acting like they taking the money out of you own bank account. It probably costs more to take Randy Moss out to lunch than this fine.

 

[apple strudel]

The fact that the former supervisor of officials (Pereira) AND the observation official at the game both thought the Pryor hit was a clean hit and it still drew a fine should have been a red flag for you.

It should be an indicator that the league is not making decisions based on on-the-field factors, IMO. Concussion, liability and congress.

 

[Deus Irae]

Rule is still pretty simple to apply.

BTW some of you are acting like they taking the money out of you own bank account. It probably costs more to take Randy Moss out to lunch than this fine.

Pryor is only making $395,000 in salary this year, not $9 million. Additionally, as you know, the average football player does not make his salary for 20 years, or anything like that. You may think $7500 is chump change, but most people would disagree with that assertion.

 

[Kid~Brady]

I just heard Guyton got fined 7500 too... wow

 

[Deus Irae]

It should be an indicator that the league is not making decisions based on on-the-field factors, IMO. Concussion, liability and congress.

Well, I think the fact that the league dragged its feet on concussions for decades and then did a complete 180 degree turn based upon that one study and Congressional mutterings had already indicated that.

This is about the stupidity of the application.







P.S. Guyton just got the same $7500 fine

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Rule is still pretty simple to apply.

No it's not... rules like clipping, running into the kicker, and interfering with the opportunity to make a fair catch are all cut and dried rules too, but when the offender is pushed into the player, there is no foul. The defender is not guilty of any illegal contact if he is blocked into the player being contacted.

Why should this rule be any different?

 

[shmessy]

Rule is still pretty simple to apply.

BTW some of you are acting like they taking the money out of you own bank account. It probably costs more to take Randy Moss out to lunch than this fine.

Yeah, Myron pryor is making like what, 12-13 million per year?

 

[shmessy]

I just heard Guyton got fined 7500 too... wow

Guyton's I can understand.

The Pryor fine is ridiculous.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Yeah, Myron pryor is making like what, 12-13 million per year?

Half a mil. Or about what the average family makes in 15-20 years.

 

[Deus Irae]

Guyton's I can understand.

The Pryor fine is ridiculous.

Exactly, and it's the same amount of money, which makes it even more idiotic.

 

[reflexblue]

This is essentially the same hit Vince was fined $15K for after also being flagged for it. I think it was against Buffalo, can't remember which QB since they change almost weekly up there... What Myron needs to to at this point is call Bianca. She will make sure they at least cut the fine and note the contact was incidental... Contact (ultimately) on this type of hit (which in and of itself is perfectly textbook legal) is almost unavoidable due to physics. But they have been consistently fining the incidental contact for emphasis.

Loserman.... VW put his arms out to break his fall and hit losman on the way down.

 

[Deus Irae]

Half a mil. Or about what the average family makes in 15-20 years.

The median household income (2008) is $52,029.

USA QuickFacts from the US Census Bureau

Pryor is making less than $400,000 salary, according to Miguel's salary page.

You should probably do some research before spouting off on a subject you're so woefully uninformed about.

 

[Nikolai]

Loserman.... VW put his arms out to break his fall and hit losman on the way down.

Could have sworn it was Edwards. I remember last year that Edwards had more roughing the passer calls than any other QB at some point last year, and Wilfork's was among them. Either way, that was a bogus call as well, but actually more understandable than this travesty.

Guyton's fine, I understand. The fact that they're the same fine underscores the ridiculousness of the Pryor fine.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Pryor fined $7500 for hitting Brett Favre. Favre not fined for hitting on Sterger. National Favre League.

Maybe Pryor should send a shot of his dong to the commissioner. Title it "Fine this douchebag!" LOL.

Seriously though, Pryor's hit deserved no fine and he doesn't make as much money as a lot of other guys so that's gotta hurt for him. I Disapprove of the NFL's message here.

Hell, I bet you if you asked Favre straight up he'd say he doesn't think Pryor deserves to be fined for that hit.

 

[Metaphors]

Not true. Some are claiming his head did not hit Favre's head.

OK, when I say "we", I don't include people who believe Favre's chin bone tried to escape his skull to avoid the hit.

Wow that's a stretch. And if BB was to teach proper coverages to our secondary the other team would never get a completed pass too.

No. I can play proper technique but I'm pretty sure Welker would do fairly well against me. But I shouldn't get called for a penalty or get fined. Proper technique doesn't guarantee positive results, but it should guarantee that you avoid league fines. If Pryor had done the exact same thing but Favre's chin was human-sized, there is no fine.

Quite the opposite. If the rule was if the player intentional hit the other player in the head foul but does it by accident then it is not would be where you would have much greater unfairness, b/c then someone else needs to figure out what is going thru the defenders head.

Totally missing the point. Intent isn't even remotely part of this. Meriweather's hit deserved a fine. He either intended to crack helmets or the hit was the result of dangerously bad technique. Doesn't matter. My point is that even if Meriweather had missed Heap's melon on that hit, he STILL should have been fined. If you want to change behavior, punish the behavior. If you want to change results, punish the behavior causing those results. Punishing results without regard for behavior is inherently unfair, confusing and inevitably counterproductive because it will produce a backlash.

That rule would be very unfair and afterwards fans would be always claiming the other guy did it on purpose but their player did it by accident. This rule is extremely fair as it is quite simple. Did the defender hit the players head? Yes or no! End of analysis.

Apply this same philosophy anywhere else and see what results. If the patient dies, the doctor gets sued. If a hostage gets killed, the officer in charge goes to jail. The doctor and police officer may have done things wrong and if so, they should be held accountable. But if they do the right things and the results aren't positive, it is insane to punish them. All it does is change the reality where participants are worrying about results and not concentrating on doing the job the right way.

I don't think we want to cloud the thinking of a doctor performing surgery or the police in a life-or-death situation. Same for 300 lb. armored athletes moving at high speeds in a confined space.

 

[reflexblue]

Could have sworn it was Edwards. I remember last year that Edwards had more roughing the passer calls than any other QB at some point last year, and Wilfork's was among them. Either way, that was a bogus call as well, but actually more understandable than this travesty.

Guyton's fine, I understand. The fact that they're the same fine underscores the ridiculousness of the Pryor fine.

No i'm 100% sure it was Losman. He claimed (as did the Bills) that VW went for his knees on purpose. It caused a real **** storm

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Half a mil. Or about what the average family makes in 15-20 years.

The median family income for the entire Boston metro area last year was $89,500:

https://www.efanniemae.com/sf/refma...STATE=MA&choice=msa&CITY=&FormsButton1=Search


from Miguel's data, Myron makes $395,000: Miguel's UNOFFICIAL 2010 Patriots Salary Cap Information Page


So it's not 15-20 years, it's 4.4 years.

Thus for the average Bay-Stater, Pryor's fine would be the equivalent of taking an undeserved fine of $1,700. (7500/4.4)

Would it bother you to fork over $1,700 for no reason?