Predictions for Bucs record and Brady's stats 2022

[The Brandon Five]

Yeah he is. People will also remember spygate. Take away the titles he won under that scandal, Brady is 4-3 in super bowls. And of course that affects Bill's legacy too.



So that's how you duck a question? And it's not Bucs board either, yet that doesn't stop you from talking 24/7 Bucs football...



Kind of hard to perform well with 3 starting offensive linemen missing....and yards/completion doesn't take into account only air yards. The eyes tell you Brady is a short yard thrower most of the time. Mahomes can throw it short, intermediate, and deep if he needs to. Brady doesn't have a deep ball ability and the passes he does throw deep are floaters with a lot of hang time.

Odd that Mahomes hasn't actually done that in his two Super Bowls. Maybe he is saving it for the Pro Bowl?

As far as Spygate, give it a rest. Everyone tries to steal signals. Like Bill said, they are making the calls in front of 80,000 people. It's not a secret message being sent by telegraph. After the Spygate punishment the team won 17 more games and then lost the Super Bowl because of ...what is the excuse there above? Offensive line breakdown?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes they will remember that but football fans won't blame Brady for that or let that taint his legacy, just the coach.

That's what you think. You might want to venture onto another team's message board and see what they say about Timmy..

It's a Brady board, not a Bucs board.

and you spend most of it talking about 52 other Bucs players...so in effect you are a Bucs fan.

 

[sb1]

hat's what you think. You might want to venture onto another team's message board and see what they say about Timmy..

PFT comments are an accurate gauge of public sentiment. It's very pro Brady now and it's been noticed that Bill isn't doing so well without him. They blame Bill not Brady for spygate. Rightfully so.

and you spend most of it talking about 52 other Bucs players...so in effect you are a Bucs fan.

Nope I spend most of it talking about TB12 as does almost every regular in this forum.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Odd that Mahomes hasn't actually done that in his two Super Bowls. Maybe he is saving it for the Pro Bowl?

Did you miss the throw to Tyreek Hill in SB 54 when his team was down 20-10 in the 4th?

As far as Spygate, give it a rest. Everyone tries to steal signals. Like Bill said, they are making the calls in front of 80,000 people. It's not a secret message being sent by telegraph. After the Spygate punishment the team won 17 more games and then lost the Super Bowl because of ...what is the excuse there above? Offensive line breakdown?

Can you prove to me that the Pats would have won SB 36, 38, and 39 without Bill video taping their opponents? You can't.

PFT comments are an accurate gauge of public sentiment. It's very pro Brady now and it's been noticed that Bill isn't doing so well without him. They blame Bill not Brady for spygate. Rightfully so.

Funny I don't see a whole lot of support of Brady on PFT. And for the 100th time, Brady and his teammates ALL benefited from Spygate. Who do you think was getting the signals in his headset?

 

[sb1]

Can you prove to me that the Pats would have won SB 36, 38, and 39 without Bill video taping their opponents? You can't.

First prove to us that they won because of spygate

 

[SHOWTIME15]

First prove to us that they won because of spygate

YOu have to assume it helped the team as they did it for 6 years straight - why spend time and resources on something that didn't help? Also the punishment from the NFL was severe - the stiffest penalty in NFL history to date.

 

[sb1]

YOu have to assume it helped the team as they did it for 6 years straight - why spend time and resources on something that didn't help? Also the punishment from the NFL was severe - the stiffest penalty in NFL history to date.

That's not proof. And the NFL can punish and also suspend anyone for any reason they wish as we all learned 7 years ago.

I'm not assuming anything I say they won not because of spygate. Burden of proof is on you.

 

[sb1]

Funny I don't see a whole lot of support of Brady on PFT.

I do. Other teams fans not just Patriots fans are now calling him the GOAT and heavily criticizing Bill for not winning anything without him.

 

[The Brandon Five]

Did you miss the throw to Tyreek Hill in SB 54 when his team was down 20-10 in the 4th?



Can you prove to me that the Pats would have won SB 36, 38, and 39 without Bill video taping their opponents? You can't.

Google "prove a negative".

So one long throw in the game is all that is needed? How about the 70+ yarders Tom threw at the end of SB 42?

The longest TD in SB history was thrown by Jake Delhomme. I guess he's better than Mahomes?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That's not proof. And the NFL can punish and also suspend anyone for any reason they wish as we all learned 7 years ago.

I'm not assuming anything I say they won not because of spygate. Burden of proof is on you.

Bottom line is Bill used those tapes - as he admitted. He interpreted the rule that he was allowed to do so as long as it wasn't done in the same game, which means he used them in subsequent games. Obviously he thought it would help as he continued the practice for 6 years. Most other teams didn't videotape and thus didn't have the same advantage.

I do. Other teams fans not just Patriots fans are now calling him the GOAT and heavily criticizing Bill for not winning anything without him.

THat's just you and the same 3-4 other Patriots fan posters who repeatedly say the same stuff over there.

 

[crawhammer]

Can you prove to me that the Pats would have won SB 36, 38, and 39 without Bill video taping their opponents? You can't.

So you hate Belichick too. What/who exactly do you like about the Patriots organization?

 

[The Brandon Five]

Bottom line is Bill used those tapes - as he admitted. He interpreted the rule that he was allowed to do so as long as it wasn't done in the same game, which means he used them in subsequent games. Obviously he thought it would help as he continued the practice for 6 years. Most other teams didn't videotape and thus didn't have the same advantage.



THat's just you and the same 3-4 other Patriots fan posters who repeatedly say the same stuff over there.

Incorrect. Other teams did. What changed was that teams were no longer allowed to tape from the sideline. Booth recording was still allowed. The change was in a memo, not a rule that was voted on, which was part of the problem. The other issue was that the memo addressed videotape used "during the game", which was not what they were doing. The league held that they were in violation, they stopped doing it that way and then won 17 straight games. The rule wasn't invented because of The Patriots and dates back to 2006, which even you can recognize comes after 2002, 2004 and 2005 (the years that they won those first three Super Bowls).

 

[sb1]

Bottom line is Bill used those tapes - as he admitted. He interpreted the rule that he was allowed to do so as long as it wasn't done in the same game, which means he used them in subsequent games. Obviously he thought it would help as he continued the practice for 6 years. Most other teams didn't videotape and thus didn't have the same advantage.

False. Many other teams did tape.

And Brady and Patriots kicked the Chargers faces in the following week after they were caught against the Jets and didn't lose another game all regular season. So clearly the idea that "it helped Brady" is nonsense and no titles need to be taken away.

THat's just you and the same 3-4 other Patriots fan posters who repeatedly say the same stuff over there.

Nope, a lot of professed Patriot haters and fans of rival teams there were won over by Brady winning a title away from Belichick. They like Brady and despise Bill now. I'd say that's an accurate reflection of public sentiment over there.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

False. Other teams did tape.

I said most other teams didn't videotape and therefore didn't have the same advantage. Not everyone interpreted the rules as Bill did.

And Brady and Patriots kicked the Chargers faces in the following week after they were caught against the Jets and didn't lose another game all regular season. So clearly the idea that "it helped Brady" is nonsense and no titles need to be taken away.

What does that have to do with 2001-2006? The pats tried to match up signals with plays...that was the whole point of the operation. You can't prove that it was meaningless. Goodell destroyed the tapes so no one knows what was on it. If it were something innocent he wouldn't have done it.

Nope, a lot of professed Patriot haters and fans of rival teams there were won over by Brady winning a title away from Belichick. They like Brady and despise Bill now. I'd say that's an accurate reflection of public sentiment over there.

What Brady did with the Bucs is irrelevant to what he did with the Pats from 2001-2006.

 

[sb1]

I said most other teams didn't.

You didn't see my edit saying lots of other teams taped, which they did.

What does that have to do with 2001-2006? The pats tried to match up signals with plays...that was the whole point of the operation. You can't prove that it was meaningless. Goodell destroyed the tapes so no one knows what was on it. If it were something innocent he wouldn't have done it.

Complete nonsense but you know that already. You're trying way too hard man. Saying things that not even you believe.

What Brady did with the Bucs is irrelevant to what he did with the Pats from 2001-2006.

20 years from now fans will remember Brady as the greatest quarterback who ever lived and likely ever will live. He's a cultural icon now. They will remember Bill too but it won't be forgotten that he's had way more success with Brady than without. Brady made this dynasty happen. Fact.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You didn't see my edit saying lots of other teams taped, which they did.

Complete nonsense but you know that already. You're trying way too hard man. Saying things that not even you believe.

20 years from now fans will remember Brady as the greatest quarterback who ever lived and likely ever will live. He's a cultural icon now. They will remember Bill too but it won't be forgotten that he's had way more success with Brady than without. Brady made this dynasty happen. Fact.

LMAO, a cultural icon with only 13 million IG followers and 3 M twitter followers. Plus no one is buying his Brady Brand clothes. In contrast, real cultural icons:

Lebron - 52.4 M twitter, 137 M instagram

Beckham - 76 M instagram

Ronaldo - 100 M + twitter, 100 M+ instagram

And Jordan would probably beat all of the above by a landslide if he were on social media. Even OBJ has a larger social media following...

Honestly bro, I think you are overrating just how much people worship Brady.

 

[The Brandon Five]

I said most other teams didn't videotape and therefore didn't have the same advantage. Not everyone interpreted the rules as Bill did.


What does that have to do with 2001-2006? The pats tried to match up signals with plays...that was the whole point of the operation. You can't prove that it was meaningless. Goodell destroyed the tapes so no one knows what was on it. If it were something innocent he wouldn't have done it.



What Brady did with the Bucs is irrelevant to what he did with the Pats from 2001-2006.

2001-2006 was before the rule, so...do we need to use smaller words?

 

[The Brandon Five]

LMAO, a cultural icon with only 13 million IG followers and 3 M twitter followers. Plus no one is buying his Brady Brand clothes. In contrast, real cultural icons:

Lebron - 52.4 M twitter, 137 M instagram

Beckham - 76 M instagram

Ronaldo - 100 M + twitter, 100 M+ instagram

And Jordan would probably beat all of the above by a landslide if he were on social media. Even OBJ has a larger social media following...

Honestly bro, I think you are overrating just how much people worship Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

2001-2006 was before the rule, so...do we need to use smaller words?

No, the rule was in place before Belichick arrived in NE. The 2006 memo was merely an interpretation of the rule. And in any event, the Commissioner disagreed that the rule wasn't in place during the relevant time period and punished Belichick and the team severely.

And? He's been in the for 5 years. Brady has been in the league for nearly a quarter century.

 

[The Brandon Five]

No, the rule was in place before Belichick arrived in NE. The 2006 memo was merely an interpretation of the rule. And in any event, the Commissioner disagreed that the rule wasn't in place during the relevant time period and punished Belichick and the team severely.

Now you are just making stuff up, sort of like Ray Anderson did in 2006. Read this, maybe you will learn something:

A September 6, 2006 memo from Ray Anderson, the NFL head of game operations, adds to this. However, the rules don’t support this belief. Anderson’s memo reads, “Videotaping of any type, including but not limited to taping of an opponent’s offensive or defensive signals, is prohibited on the sidelines, in the coaches’ booth, in the locker room, or at any other locations accessible to club staff members during the game.”

Unfortunately, the memo misquotes the rules, and Anderson can’t change the rules. Rule changes must be proposed to and voted on by the teams. The NFL cited the misquoted rules against the Patriots from pages A105-A106 of the league’s Policy Manual for Member Clubs Volume II: Game Operations 2007 edition.

Miscellaneous Rules and Regulations, Section A. reads, “No video recording devices of any kind are permitted to be in use in the coaches’ booth, on the field, or in the locker room during the game.”

https://bleacherreport.com/articles/199345-the-truth-about-spygate-puni

Who said this?

"I didn't think it was any kind of significant advantage, but I wasn't going to give them the convenience of doing it in our stadium, and I wanted to shut it down. But there was no intent to get the league involved. There was no intent to have the landslide that it has become."

And? He's been in the for 5 years. Brady has been in the league for nearly a quarter century.

You say that like its not an accomplishment. We'll see how long the scrambler lasts.