Predictions for Bucs record and Brady's stats 2022

[sb1]

Then you agree - Brady F'ed up in SB 42 and 46 as he did not play a full 60 minutes. Thanks.

I never said Brady played perfectly in those games. But he still gave both those defenses the lead... and they failed to get the job done. Those are the facts.

 

[Guts]

Damn @MAC10 by your logic I fully expect Mac Jones to lead us to 6 more Superbowls then.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I never said Brady played perfectly in those games. But he still gave both those defenses the lead... and they failed to get the job done. Those are the facts.

And the defense held the Giants at bay (under 20 points) so that the offense could take advantage except Brady couldn’t muster more than 2 TD drives in each of those games.

 

[crawhammer]

It's too bad Brady wasn't as clutch in the Super Bowl, where he had 10 turnovers, including a stupid intentional grounding penalty in the end zone.

Then you agree - Brady F'ed up in SB 42 and 46 as he did not play a full 60 minutes. Thanks.

Not really - he didn't show up to the most important game in NFL history. And the guy can't engineer a GW or GT drive deep in his own territory with under a minute to go in the game...like Stafford, Mahomes, Rodgers, etc. have done.

He threw two INTs vs the Seahawks - one to Jeremy Lane in the endzone (which could have resulted in 7 points for NE) and another to Bobby Wagner (in which Seattle scored on the ensuing drive). That is not clutch. Thank God for Malcolm Butler. And any touchdowns he threw were the result of Josh and Bill's great game planning to throw crossing routes against that D.

Wow, that's impressive gibberish.

Belichick is 1-1 in the postseason in 9 seasons without Brady.
Brady is 5-1 with a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP in the postseason in 2 seasons without Belichick.
Brady doesn't need Belichick. Belichick needs Brady.

And Brady's won 4 Super Bowls and 3 Super Bowl MVPs without McDaniels, so no need for you to get even more ridiculous than usual.

 

[sb1]

And the defense held the Giants at bay (under 20 points) so that the offense could take advantage except Brady couldn’t muster more than 2 TD drives in each of those games.

Too bad the defenses couldn't do it when it mattered the most. Let Eli Manning beat them. Yikes. Brady did his job when it mattered, the defenses didn't do theirs.

Those defenses are the reason why Eli will be going into the HOF even though he otherwise shouldn't.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Too bad the defenses couldn't do it when it mattered the most. Let Eli Manning beat them. Yikes. Brady did his job when it mattered, the defenses didn't do theirs.

Those defenses are the reason why Eli will be going into the HOF even though he otherwise shouldn't.

Eli Manning is a good QB. He threw for 366 TDs in his career. The fact is that the Pats D held the Giants to 17 points in SB42. It would have helped if Brady didn't open his mouth and laugh at the Giants D before the game. He cost himself (and the team) a 19-0 season. He himself said he was not able to decipher the Giants blitz scheme in SB 42. Oops.

And you just said that it was a 60 minute game. now it's not? Sorry, everyone on the planet knows that the offense didn't play up to par in the Giants super bowls.

Wow, that's impressive gibberish.

Belichick is 1-1 in the postseason in 9 seasons without Brady.
Brady is 5-1 with a Super Bowl ring and a Super Bowl MVP in the postseason in 2 seasons without Belichick.
Brady doesn't need Belichick. Belichick needs Brady.

And Brady's won 4 Super Bowls and 3 Super Bowl MVPs without McDaniels, so no need for you to get even more ridiculous than usual.

Fact - Brady has not won a super bowl without Belichick or Gronk.

 

[crawhammer]

Fact - Brady has not won a super bowl without Belichick or Gronk.

He won a Super Bowl with Bruce Arians.
He won 4 Super Bowls without Gronk.
He's only player to have been on the rosters of all 7 Super Bowl championships.

Belichick can't even win a division without Brady. Never mind a Super Bowl.
Gronk's only played for one quarterback. Smart move, made him one of the greatest TEs in the history of the NFL.

 

[sb1]

Eli Manning is a good QB.

I wouldn't go that far. He's literally a .500 QB (117-117). Career rating 84.9 and career QBR of 54 which by definition is slightly above average. Certainly not a guy that should have sliced up a Belichick defense in two game winning drives to win Super Bowls. No matter how Brady played, the defenses was still given two chances to win two championships with one stop... and failed to do that twice. A barely above average QB like Eli will be in the HOF because of Bill's defenses, not because of Brady.

It would have helped if Brady didn't open his mouth and laugh at the Giants D before the game.

If you have a problem with that I take it you also have an issue with BB publicly mocking Marv Levy or telling his team before Super Bowl 38 that it was a joke that the NFC Champion Panthers were being compared to the Patriots

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And you just said that it was a 60 minute game. now it's not? Sorry, everyone on the planet knows that the offense didn't play up to par in the Giants super bowls.

Nope, it's a 60 minute game. Wasn't Brady's best games but he made up for it by giving his defenses a chance to win the championships with one stop. 0 for 2 both times on the defense.

Fact - Brady has not won a super bowl without Belichick or Gronk.

Fact that only matters to you and nobody else.

 

[Pats1971]

And the defense held the Giants at bay (under 20 points) so that the offense could take advantage except Brady couldn’t muster more than 2 TD drives in each of those games.

What kind of idiot bashes a QB with 7 superbowls because he does not have 9? Just curious?

 

[Pats1971]

Eli Manning is a good QB. He threw for 366 TDs in his career. The fact is that the Pats D held the Giants to 17 points in SB42. It would have helped if Brady didn't open his mouth and laugh at the Giants D before the game. He cost himself (and the team) a 19-0 season. He himself said he was not able to decipher the Giants blitz scheme in SB 42. Oops.

And you just said that it was a 60 minute game. now it's not? Sorry, everyone on the planet knows that the offense didn't play up to par in the Giants super bowls.



Fact - Brady has not won a super bowl without Belichick or Gronk.

Well ok but Bill cannot seem to win a playoff game without Brady. Or a division

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Well ok but Bill cannot seem to win a playoff game without Brady. Or a division

and Tom can't seem to win a playoff game or division without Bill or Gronk. your point?

I wouldn't go that far. He's literally a .500 QB (117-117). Career rating 84.9 and career QBR of 54 which by definition is slightly above average. Certainly not a guy that should have sliced up a Belichick defense in two game winning drives to win Super Bowls. No matter how Brady played, the defenses was still given two chances to win two championships with one stop... and failed to do that twice. A barely above average QB like Eli will be in the HOF because of Bill's defenses, not because of Brady.

His team around him has sucked for the most part. The bottom line is he's top 10 in yards and touchdowns. And you seem to be forgetting the most important thing about those two GW drives ... it took two miracles to make it happen. In SB 46, perhaps it wouldn't have mattered if Brady didn't intentionally ground the ball while in the end zone and the Giants didn't score off the ensuing punt. That's 9 points Brady was responsible for.

If you have a problem with that I take it you also have an issue with BB publicly mocking Marv Levy or telling his team before Super Bowl 38 that it was a joke that the NFC Champion Panthers were being compared to the Patriots

It doesn't matter if you back it up. Bill telling his team in private is one thing, Tom openly mocking the Giants in front of the world and then not backing it up made him look foolish.

Nope, it's a 60 minute game. Wasn't Brady's best games but he made up for it by giving his defenses a chance to win the championships with one stop. 0 for 2 both times on the defense.

You can't say it's a 60 minute game and then say "Tom made it up" at the end. The ONLY reason that Brady was able to engineer a touchdown late in SB 42 is because the Giants D was gassed, as was noted by Joe Buck in the broadcast. It was nothing special by Tommy.

Fact that only matters to you and nobody else.

It's still a fact.

 

[sb1]

and Tom cant seem to win a playoff game or division without Bill or Gronk. your point?

You know that Tom is literally 0 for 0 in playoff games without Bill or Gronk right? There's no "can't".

Bill on the other hand does has a track record without Brady... and it's not a great one. And unless his team becomes a contender before he retires it will be worth noting that on his legacy.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

You know that Tom is literally 0 for 0 in playoff games without Bill or Gronk right? There's no "can't".

He'll have a shot this year...that is, if the Bucs even make the playoffs.

Bill on the other hand does has a track record without Brady... and it's not a great one. And unless his team becomes a contender before he retires it will be worth noting that on his legacy.

You do realize that the only good QB Bill has ever had was Brady, right? It isn't about Tom. It's about having a good QB. He would have done very similar things with Manning, Mahomes, Stafford, etc.

 

[sb1]

He'll have a shot this year...that is, if the Bucs even make the playoffs.

Yes he will - and they will. Until then there's no "can't seem to".

You do realize that the only good QB Bill has ever had was Brady, right? It isn't about Tom. It's about having a good QB. He would have done very similar things with Manning, Mahomes, Stafford, etc.

That's opinion not fact.

The facts are what we know actually happened. Bill got to work with the GOAT for 19 seasons, and having the GOAT is an advantage for any coach.

 

[Guts]

The if game is always fun.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Yes he will - and they will. Until then there's no "can't seem to".

Well his team is loaded so there is no excuse

 

[sb1]

Well his team is loaded so there is no excuse

Staying healthy matters as usual. I expect Brady to put up huge numbers and be in the MVP conversation again. If a bunch of players who matter including Brady himself go down with injuries then all bets are off.

Same with the Pats. If Mac gets Bernard Pollarded or something bad happens to him, we're picking at or near the top of the draft in April. Unlike 2008 the team doesn't really have the roster this time to sustain something like that.

 

[sb1]

His team around him has sucked for the most part. The bottom line is he's top 10 in yards and touchdowns. And you seem to be forgetting the most important thing about those two GW drives ... it took two miracles to make it happen. In SB 46, perhaps it wouldn't have mattered if Brady didn't intentionally ground the ball while in the end zone and the Giants didn't score off the ensuing punt. That's 9 points Brady was responsible for.

Didn't say he was bad but he's statistically an above average QB at best and even that might be generous. 54 career QBR (50 means an average QB). 85 rating. Led the league 3 times in INTs. TD/INT was nothing special. Was underwater at least once in TD/INT. Had a rating over 90 just 5 seasons out of 16 and never had a rating over 100 for a season. Yes he's top 10 in yards and TD but he also played for 16 years. Now those are what I call volume stats. Kerry Collins is top 20 in yards. I wouldn't consider him a good QB either. Bottom line is the defense didn't get the job done on both those drives against that guy no matter how they played out or how the rest of the game was played. The Patriots defense getting beat twice by Peyton is understandable but Eli is not in his brother's league. Can't blame Brady for defensive failure.

It doesn't matter if you back it up. Bill telling his team in private is one thing, Tom openly mocking the Giants in front of the world and then not backing it up made him look foolish.

It was leaked so it couldn't have been all that private. Bill has a massive ego and always did. Look up his quote on Marv Levy. Belittling one of the greatest coaches of this game and the only coach to take his team to 4 consecutive SB's was classless. I didn't like Brady saying what he did but it wasn't to belittle the Giants he was caught by surprise and then he added "they should be confident" and that was fine.

You can't say it's a 60 minute game and then say "Tom made it up" at the end. The ONLY reason that Brady was able to engineer a touchdown late in SB 42 is because the Giants D was gassed, as was noted by Joe Buck in the broadcast. It was nothing special by Tommy.

And who made them gassed?

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Didn't say he was bad but he's statistically an above average QB at best and even that might be generous. 54 career QBR (50 means an average QB). 85 rating. Led the league 3 times in INTs. TD/INT was nothing special. Was underwater at least once in TD/INT. Had a rating over 90 just 5 seasons out of 16 and never had a rating over 100 for a season. Yes he's top 10 in yards and TD but he also played for 16 years. Now those are what I call volume stats. Kerry Collins is top 20 in yards. I wouldn't consider him a good QB either. Bottom line is the defense didn't get the job done on both those drives against that guy no matter how they played out or how the rest of the game was played. The Patriots defense getting beat twice by Peyton is understandable but Eli is not in his brother's league. Can't blame Brady for defensive failure.

Yes, and it took two of the most miraculous plays in NFL history to beat Bill. But you can blame Brady for not putting together more touch down drives, especially with the Pats being the number 1 offense in both 2007 and 2011.

It was leaked so it couldn't have been all that private. Bill has a massive ego and always did. Look up his quote on Marv Levy. Belittling one of the greatest coaches of this game and the only coach to take his team to 4 consecutive SB's was classless. I didn't like Brady saying what he did but it wasn't to belittle the Giants he was caught by surprise and then he added "they should be confident" and that was fine.

If it was "leaked," it was meant to be private. You don't think Brady's smack talk email about Peyton that was leaked was classless? Brady absolutely belittled the Giants and Strahan, Tuck, Osi, etc. took it personally.

And who made them gassed?

They were too busy kicking Timmy's ass all game and got worn out by the end.

The so-called Greatest of All Time is owned by nearly 13% of NFL teams:

Giants - beat him in 2 SBs

Broncos - beat him in 2 AFCCGs and another playoff game

LA Rams - 1-3 (McVay is his Daddy)

Saints - 1-4 as a Buc

 

[crawhammer]

The other thread got shutdown so moving the discussion here...

You are delusional, my friend.

Those MVP votes accomplished exactly what they set out to accomplish. They weren't real votes. If I dressed up for an NFL team, I could get MVP votes for the exact same reasons that Carson Wentz did. Me. I could get MVP votes. That should tell you all you need to know.

I will give you another example - the entire sport of boxing. If I told you that I could enter the boxing ring and beat Canelo, that would seem preposterous to you at first, because you've been conditioned to believe that only "traditional" boxers can have success in this particular form of entertainment. However, once you break it down and really get into the nitty gritty of it, it won't seem outrageous at all.

You need to be able to discern between real and fake accomplishments in sports.

You must be the world's greatest athlete... NFL quarterback and pound for pound the best boxer on the planet.

You just completely demolished your own argument here.

You refuse to give Bill Belichick credit for something he did under another head coach, where his impact was only on one side of the football, yet you want to give all the credit for the 6 SBs won by the Patriots to a player, whose impact was also on only one side of the football.

You can't have it both ways. I am fine with disregarding Belichick's 2 rings as a DC and only focusing on his rings as a head coach and GM, where his impact was felt throughout the entire team, so long as you also disregard player rings. After all, coordinator rings and player rings are equivalent. But if you want to include them all, then everyone with fewer than 8 rings is a peasant who must bow down and kiss Bill's rings.

I'm not following your convoluted criteria for legitimizing rings. Either you're the head coach or you're an assistant of some sort. Belichick was an assistant of Parcells. When you consider 'coach and quarterback' accomplishment, you don't think defensive coordinator and quarterback, obviously. It's a head coach and starting quarterback record.

Regarding importance to an entire team, the starting quarterback is significantly more important than any assistant coach. Belichick has 2 rings as an assistant to Parcells. Belichick has 6 rings as a head coach with Brady as his quarterback. Brady has 7 rings with two different head coaches.

That's not film. Those are stats. If you want to use stats, you have to adjust them to account for the presence of the GOAT coach.

Your foolishness is hard to follow. Stats, film, by whatever measure or observation, Brady is easily the most talented, most accomplished, the best, however you choose to phrase it, quarterback in the history of the Patriots franchise.

This is what you're saying... from your film study of every Patriots quarterback ever, Brady ranks 5th. A claim like that is death for your credibility.

I never said any QB needs Belichick to win a SB. Plenty of QBs have won a ring without Belichick. Guys like Trent Dilfer, Brad Johnson, Mark Rypien, etc. All solid dependable QBs. You can be a solid and dependable QB and still win a ring without Belichick. But no QB in the history of the sport has won 6 of them with a single team without Bill Belichick, and likely never will.

You did... you said Belichick was Brady's "crutch." No other quarterback in the history of the league has more than 4 rings period. Your tie in with Belichick is meaningless because the quarterback who has 6 with him has won 7.