Personal Viewpoint: Spencer Larsen will be on the 53 man roster.

[patfanken]

Re: Personal Viewpoint: Steve Larsen will be on the 53 man roster.

Ebner played 3 games of football in college and he was drafted.

Wrong - He played a lot of games while at Ohio State, but almost all of them on special teams, where he excelled. I think what you are referring to is that he only played 3 plays at Safety while at OSU.

 

[Stilla]

Re: Personal Viewpoint: Steve Larsen will be on the 53 man roster.

Wrong - He played a lot of games while at Ohio State, but almost all of them on special teams, where he excelled. I think what you are referring to is that he only played 3 plays at Safety while at OSU.

You are correct. In context, he is currently playing a position where he has limited experience playing. As in "Jeff Demps did not field punts on a regular basis while playing college football at Florida.;" and I think he can be coached up to play as a punt returner if he were to make the team as a kick returner. Much like Edelman playing WR and PR when he played as a QB.

 

[BBass]

I'm not going to bother to read this entire thread, so my apologies if this has been said before.

DUMB!!!!!!!


The key phrase you forgot to add was "for no apparent reason". Because that is what you base your opinion on. A random and gratuitous act in order to start ANOTHER dumb thread. I find it sad that such a topic can get 4 pages of comments


As to your 5 "reasons" for keeping him only two have even a resemblance to being valid.

1. 240 lbers DO NOT represent any threat as blockers as in line TE's. Don't be ridiculous.

2. As far as pass catching ability. Are you referring to the 14 total catches he's managed over the past FOUR years?

3. And what is it about the 6 tackles he had the last 2 years or the 9/yr he's averaged over the course of his entire career that makes you think he would be an asset as a LB. (BTW- most of those few tackles have come on special teams, NOT at LB)

4. And then there's the slight problem that he hasn't been on the practice field enough this TC to find out if he can really even do the 2 points you mention that HAVE some validity, that he is a good blocker out of the FB position, and he's good on special teams. 6 tackles over 2 years doesn't sound like a special teams ace to me.

To me there is only a 50-50 chance that the Pats keep a FB in the first place. And all things considered I'd rather have Kettani be that guy, unless he's proven to be a horrible blocker, and or proven he can't catch the ball. Reportedly the latter hasn't been a problem in camp and no has been no mention the of the former being a problem. Besides he's the only one of the FB's who can actually run the ball. The kid was a 1000 yd rusher in college.

So IF, and that's a big IF, the Pats decide to keep a FB on this roster, why wouldn't the Pats keep Kettani over Larsen.

Love the DUMB!!! for dramatic affect... Also thank you for contributing to the 4 pages of comments..

1. Weight doesn't equal strength I am not sure if your aware of that? But I will play along just the same..

Larsen - 6'2 245lbs BMI 31.5
Hernandez - 6'1 245lbs BMI 32.3
Visanthe Shianco - 6'3 240lbs BMI 30.0
Daniel Fells - 6'4 265lbs BMI 32.3
Rob Gronkowski - 6'6 265lbs BMI 30.6

BMI = Body Mass Index. I am not sure if you knew that peoples weight is based upon there height. Height is not an indication of strength. On a pound and height ratio Larsen is actually bigger then Gronk...
2. Roll eyes, stats do not speak to ability to catch the ball.
3. Starting middle LB in college so he has the ability to be a depth guy.
4. Tarpinian had 97 tackles in his college career, Larsen had 271 college tackles. But Tarp is more a special teams ace? Also Larsen played on all 4 units of ST last year and was on all 4 units to start camp with the Pats this camp. (prior to injury)
5. Did Bill tell you he was 50/50 on keep a FB? *Also I said we should keep him because he could block, play ST and add deep depth at LB.. Can Kettani do any of those things? *

Kettani wow you must of missed the preseason game, 1000 yard rushing = blocking FB? wow we should convert Vereen to FB then.

 

[BBass]

McDaniels will not bench either Hernandez or Gronkowski in lieu of a fullback.

I-Formation can actually be ran as 2 TE, RB, FB, and WR.. And before you say he is not going to bench Welker or Llyod let me point out the I-Formation is usually a running formation.

 

[ATippett56]

I-Formation can actually be ran as 2 TE, RB, FB, and WR.. And before you say he is not going to bench Welker or Llyod let me point out the I-Formation is usually a running formation.

Since when has the New England Patriots offense morphed into a pound and ground philosophy?

 

[Stilla]

Since when has the New England Patriots offense morphed into a pound and ground philosophy?

They drafted 2 RB in 1 year?

I guess that means BB really didn't want to run the ball better.

 

[ATippett56]

They drafted 2 RB in 1 year?

I guess that means BB really didn't want to run the ball better.

What does this have to do with Spencer Larsen on the roster or a 1 WR, 2 TE, 1 FB, 1 HB formation?

 

[Stilla]

What does this have to do with Spencer Larsen on the roster or a 1 WR, 2 TE, 1 FB, 1 HB formation?

This:

Since when has the New England Patriots offense morphed into a pound and ground philosophy?

We picked 2 RB in 1 draft. I would claim we want to run the ball more or we would have taken 2 WR.

 

[ATippett56]

This: We picked 2 RB in 1 draft. I would claim we want to run the ball more or we would have taken 2 WR.

The Patriots signed the following unrestricted free agent wide receivers in March 2012:

Brandon Lloyd
Jabar Gaffney
Donte Stallworth

The New England Patriots drafted two running backs in 2011 not 2012.

Running the ball more effectively and changing the offensive philosophy to a pound and ground attack are two separate issues altogether. The base offense for the New England Patriots will not incorporate a fullback.

 

[patfanken]

Love the DUMB!!! for dramatic affect...

There was no dramatic affect intended. Your thread is simply dumb. You gratuitously start a thread about giving. a marginal player to begin with. a roster spot, who hasn't been on the field to prove his worth.

Also thank you for contributing to the 4 pages of comments..

Believe me, I'm not proud of my participation in your attempt to stroke your own ego. Therapy is looking like a reasonable option now.

1. Weight doesn't equal strength I am not sure if your aware of that? But I will play along just the same..

Larsen - 6'2 245lbs BMI 31.5
Hernandez - 6'1 245lbs BMI 32.3
Visanthe Shianco - 6'3 240lbs BMI 30.0
Daniel Fells - 6'4 265lbs BMI 32.3
Rob Gronkowski - 6'6 265lbs BMI 30.6

BMI = Body Mass Index. I am not sure if you knew that peoples weight is based upon there height. Height is not an indication of strength. On a pound and height ratio Larsen is actually bigger then Gronk...

Who gives a ****** about their BMI. Besides your numbers make no sense. How could Gronk who is taller AND bigger have a lower BMI than virtually everyone of those players you gave. That just makes NO sense.

Here's the deal. Hernandez, Fells and Shiancoe ALL can't block that well as TE's....and neither can Larsen, otherwise he'd be playing the position. So cut the crap

2. Roll eyes, stats do not speak to ability to catch the ball.

and FB's who are really good at catching the ball, would have more catches

3. Starting middle LB in college so he has the ability to be a depth guy.
4. Tarpinian had 97 tackles in his college career, Larsen had 271 college tackles

.FINALLY a point worth acknowledging. But I would point out that was 5 years ago.

But Tarp is more a special teams ace? Also Larsen played on all 4 units of ST last year and was on all 4 units to start camp with the Pats this camp. (prior to injury)

Don't understand why you'd mention Tarpanian, since I never did. And the fact he was on all 4 ST's units last season and managed only 5 tackles is NOT a ringing endorsement.

5. Did Bill tell you he was 50/50 on keep a FB?

No, that was just my opinion as I stated in my original post. Funny thing about that. I guess you aren't aware that other people get to have one too, Its NOT just about your's

*Also I said we should keep him because he could block, play ST and add deep depth at LB.. Can Kettani do any of those things?

How do you know he's a better blocker than Kettani, Did Bill tell you? How did you know that he plays better ST's than Kettani. Did Bill tell you? Have you seen it in TC?

Kettani wow you must of missed the preseason game, 1000 yard rushing = blocking FB? wow we should convert Vereen to FB then.

This is just too stupid to answer.

Bass, you are just a deluded, self important ****. In other words you'd be a perfect fit over at JI. Personally I am ashamed and embarrassed that I even bothered to respond. It is likely never to happen again.

 

[moosekill]

This:



We picked 2 RB in 1 draft. I would claim we want to run the ball more or we would have taken 2 WR.

This makes absolutely no sense. The Patriots needed 2 running backs so they drafted two. They ended up with the same number they had the year before.

The IQ of this board is pulled substantially lower by this thread.

 

[BBass]

Since when has the New England Patriots offense morphed into a pound and ground philosophy?

I don't remember saying it had.. I just said that JM likes to run the ball more for balance... Your perception of what you read does not make it what I actually wrote.. so stop posting back with disputing things I never even wrote.. I feel like I am talking to a schizophrenic having delusions..

Fullback presence & the I-formation - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

 

[BBass]

This makes absolutely no sense. The Patriots needed 2 running backs so they drafted two. They ended up with the same number they had the year before.

The IQ of this board is pulled substantially lower by this thread.

says the guy named Moosekill from ME... You seem like a real scholar..

 

[ATippett56]

I don't remember saying it had.. I just said that JM likes to run the ball more for balance... Your perception of what you read does not make it what I actually wrote.. so stop posting back with disputing things I never even wrote.. I feel like I am talking to a schizophrenic having delusions..

Fullback presence & the I-formation - New England Patriots Blog - ESPN Boston

You need to work on your reading comprehension.

One of the potential changes for the Patriots' offense in 2012 is the fullback position.

It doesn't necessarily mean the Patriots will use the I-formation a lot in 2012, but it is something they have been working on, and wanted to see how it looked in game action.

 

[BBass]

There was no dramatic affect intended. Your thread is simply dumb. You gratuitously start a thread about giving. a marginal player to begin with. a roster spot, who hasn't been on the field to prove his worth.

Believe me, I'm not proud of my participation in your attempt to stroke your own ego. Therapy is looking like a reasonable option now.

Who gives a ****** about their BMI. Besides your numbers make no sense. How could Gronk who is taller AND bigger have a lower BMI than virtually everyone of those players you gave. That just makes NO sense.

Here's the deal. Hernandez, Fells and Shiancoe ALL can't block that well as TE's....and neither can Larsen, otherwise he'd be playing the position. So cut the crap

and FB's who are really good at catching the ball, would have more catches

.FINALLY a point worth acknowledging. But I would point out that was 5 years ago.


Don't understand why you'd mention Tarpanian, since I never did. And the fact he was on all 4 ST's units last season and managed only 5 tackles is NOT a ringing endorsement.
No, that was just my opinion as I stated in my original post. Funny thing about that. I guess you aren't aware that other people get to have one too, Its NOT just about your's
How do you know he's a better blocker than Kettani, Did Bill tell you? How did you know that he plays better ST's than Kettani. Did Bill tell you? Have you seen it in TC?

This is just too stupid to answer.

Bass, you are just a deluded, self important ****. In other words you'd be a perfect fit over at JI. Personally I am ashamed and embarrassed that I even bothered to respond. It is likely never to happen again.

I am glad you responded I will continue to laugh all night that a grown man doesn't understand how a BMI works.. That alone makes logging onto my computer today worth it. I am a nice guy so a BMI is the national institute of health's index for determining a persons body weight based on their height.

I am a self important ****, but I know how a BMI works.

I am staying here in this forum it needs me, I need to help people see that people like you and the other trolls bring nothing but baseless argumentative crap to this forum..

You have nothing to be ashamed of you learned something new today..

 

[Ring 6]

So Tarp or Koutouvides fills the LB/ST need but who is filling the Blocking TE and FB role. Last season we used Soldier as a TE a lot we can't do that with him starting at LT. I cannot see entering the season with 2 TE, no FB and we don't exactly have excess linemen with versitilty like Soldier to play as a blocking TE.

Fells is the 3rd TE.

 

[BBass]

Fells is the 3rd TE.

Andy really? I mean why do you comment my posts your just going to get me removed from the thread like you did last night... go cry to the MOD..

I don't have time for you or I'd rather argue with grown men who don't tell on each other...

 

[supafly]

BMI is the national institute of health's index for determining a persons body weight based on their height.

How much would you put into the BMI, Bass?

I recently went to the specialist/dr and they gave me a printout stating that I have a BMI that puts me in the borderline obese category. I'm actually right on the edge of being considered obese. The problem that I had with it was that I am 5"9 1/2 and 165 lbs, so surely I am not anywhere close to 'obese' by any standard.

I am leery of the BMI ever since that recent visit, and any credibility that it brings. That said, I certainly am not questioning your point about it, only that the BMI itself seems to be a little flawed.

 

[BBass]

Fells is the 3rd TE.

Fells is on PUP currently. Till he is officially off it doesn't count..

Now like I said go tell on me for being mean ...

 

[BBass]

How much would you put into the BMI, Bass?

I recently went to the specialist/dr and they gave me a printout stating that I have a BMI that puts me in the borderline obese category. I'm actually right on the edge of being considered obese. The problem that I had with it was that I am 5"9 1/2 and 165 lbs, so surely I am not anywhere close to 'obese' by any standard.

I am leery of the BMI ever since that recent visit, and any credibility that it brings. That said, I certainly am not questioning your point about it, only that the BMI itself seems to be a little flawed.

my basis for the BMI was purely to point out that weight is different based on height. Everyone always talks about someones weight in terms of playing DT or OT taking no account into how tall they are. We see Gronk as a beast because he is 265 but he is also 6'6 which translates to about 240 if he was 6'3.. From a obesity perspective I don't put a lot of stock into it because people work out and people don't. I think the obesity aspect needs to be updated to reflect the evolution of fitness and weight lifting. I do however think it clearly points out someones height and weight ratio..