Pats Went 1-4 to End Season. What Was The Cause of Implosion?

[DropKickFlutie]

Funny, the game I saw .

You can go whine in the Bills game thread.

This one is about collapsing 1-4, similar to collapsing 2-4 in 2019, and going 0-7 against teams with a winning record the last two Decembers/Januaries.

The defense carried the team all year. Literally did it with smoke and mirrors despite missing Jon Jones, and with crappt Godchaux and Bentley. The problem is the offense. Defense performed way above expectation all season as its personnel had major flaws at NT, ILB, and a good 2nd CB. Meanwhile the offense was stacked in terms of talent but repeatedly kept failing.

 

[mgcolby]

You can go whine in the Bills game thread.

This one is about collapsing 1-4, similar to collapsing 2-4 in 2019, and going 0-7 against teams with a winning record the last two Decembers/Januaries.

The defense carried the team all year. Literally did it with smoke and mirrors despite missing Jon Jones, and with crappt Godchaux and Bentley. The problem is the offense. Defense performed way above expectation all season as its personnel had major flaws at NT, ILB, and a good 2nd CB. Meanwhile the offense was stacked in terms of talent but repeatedly kept failing.

Really...its still about the O...and you are ridiculously obsessed. You sir have the problem and it gets old. Every post you make you cry about Josh. Its ****ing ridiculous, annoying and it ruins many conversations on here. You simply need to stop.

 

[50-yard-line]

You can go whine in the Bills game thread.

This one is about collapsing 1-4, similar to collapsing 2-4 in 2019, and going 0-7 against teams with a winning record the last two Decembers/Januaries.

The defense carried the team all year. Literally did it with smoke and mirrors despite missing Jon Jones, and with crappt Godchaux and Bentley. The problem is the offense. Defense performed way above expectation all season as its personnel had major flaws at NT, ILB, and a good 2nd CB. Meanwhile the offense was stacked in terms of talent but repeatedly kept failing.

News flash, nitwit - or two, actually:

1. You don't own a thread because you start it.

2. The 2019 Patriots fell apart. We all watched it. between losing every weapon Brady had to injury/stupidity to Brady's attitude to a defense that had it's numbers inflated early. They weren't that good. The wheels were coming off. Father time was winning, trading draft capital for vets cost more and if a temporary duct-tape fix, and was catching up to them. They had no middle class left, just raw low-end-of-round picks and post-30 vets.

The 2020 Patriots sucked, kind of predictably, if you think about it. Between the FA poaching, the cap problems, the opt-outs and a QB who couldn't throw the ball with any accuracy, it's amazing that they won 7 games.

The 2021 Patriots were a better team that lost 3 of their expected 4 top CBs, had a over-the-hill linebacking corps and was trying to piece together half a new roster with a rookie QB. The ending sucked, I agree. Hopefully, we'll be able to have some good discussion about why we think that happened or what might be needed, in scheme and in talent, to fix it.

You aren't interested in any of that. You just want to beat dead horses.

 

[Sam Bam Cunningham]

the Patriots are not a well coached team anymore. I honestly think the players are tuning out coach bill after Thanksgiving. can't think of another reason for the disastrous December/January the team has had.
and it's not going to get any better because you can guarantee a road game in Miami and a game vs Buffalo for 2/4 final games each season for perpetuity.... Coach, Bill has shown that his teams do not belong on the same field as the Miami dolphins in the Buffalo Bills over the last two or three seasons

Yes this. BB has had a great great hall of fame career in New England, but this year he just does not seem to have his fastball anymore. The blame should not be solely placed on "his staff'. BB hired that staff. BB made terrible free agent signings. BB was responsible for most of the key failure decisions during the season.

BB as leader of the team the past 2 years has been mediocre. I do not know why he wants to come back next year. The Pats will not be a serious SB contender for the next 3 years at least.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

News flash, nitwit - or two, actually:

1. You don't own a thread because you start it.

2. The 2019 Patriots fell apart. We all watched it. between losing every weapon Brady had to injury/stupidity to Brady's attitude to a defense that had it's numbers inflated early. They weren't that good. The wheels were coming off. Father time was winning, trading draft capital for vets cost more and if a temporary duct-tape fix, and was catching up to them. They had no middle class left, just raw low-end-of-round picks and post-30 vets.

The 2020 Patriots sucked, kind of predictably, if you think about it. Between the FA poaching, the cap problems, the opt-outs and a QB who couldn't throw the ball with any accuracy, it's amazing that they won 7 games.

The 2021 Patriots were a better team that lost 3 of their expected 4 top CBs, had a over-the-hill linebacking corps and was trying to piece together half a new roster with a rookie QB. The ending sucked, I agree. Hopefully, we'll be able to have some good discussion about why we think that happened or what might be needed, in scheme and in talent, to fix it.

You aren't interested in any of that. You just want to beat dead horses.

You can go stick your head in the sand since that's what you want to do. You just don't want to deal with reality. Team started 0-4 at home, unprecedented. Team gave up 270 rushing yards in a game. Unprecedented. Team went 1-4 to end their season. Unprecedented. Stop covering for crappy mediocre staff around 70 yr old Bill Belichick.

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[DropKickFlutie]

Yes this. BB has had a great great hall of fame career in New England, but this year he just does not seem to have his fastball anymore. The blame should not be solely placed on "his staff'. BB hired that staff. BB made terrible free agent signings. BB was responsible for most of the key failure decisions during the season.

BB as leader of the team the past 2 years has been mediocre. I do not know why he wants to come back next year. The Pats will not be a serious SB contender for the next 3 years at least.

Yeah I mean clearly the buck stops with BB. And if December/January meltdowns continue then it's obviously not great for him. His staff is mediocre so the longer he lets this fester yes of course it's on him.

 

[VJCPatriot]

This team was humming through the midseason. It fell apart in December and January. This is the opposite of how most BB teams turn out.

I think the blame has to start from the top. The gameplans and playcalling got progressively worse and worse. The lack of balls to go for it on 4th and short at midfield while 2 scores down just before halftime against the Dolphins points to a baffling and inexcusable decision-making at the top. That was one of many bad decisions that lost us the game.

It felt like chinks in the armor kept getting exposed and no adjustments were made to fix it, or was it that no adjustments could be made? What's the real culprit - was it personnel or was it scheme/coaching that failed us down the stretch?

 

[DropKickFlutie]

This team was humming through the midseason. It fell apart in December and January. This is the opposite of how most BB teams turn out.

I think the blame has to start from the top. The gameplans and playcalling got progressively worse and worse. The lack of balls to go for it on 4th and short at midfield while 2 scores down just before halftime against the Dolphins points to a baffling and inexcusable decision-making at the top. That was one of many bad decisions that lost us the game.

It felt like chinks in the armor kept getting exposed and no adjustments were made to fix it, or was it that no adjustments could be made? What's the real culprit - was it personnel or was it scheme/coaching that failed us down the stretch?

Excellent point. Exactly. Game planning and play calling got progressively worse.

2 things.
1. The bye week analysis from the post Ernie Adams dept sucked at their job.
2. The staff around BB is playing checkers while the league plays chess. They don't beat good teams. They run up the score on super crappy teams and repeatedly lose to good teams.

This team will nose dive without BB. He's keeping it a playoff team. But this is not the Pats of old who peaked later in the season. This team is one step away from the foul stench of the Denver'10 and St Louis'11 league-worst-run teams in the league

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

"To most, the way the Patriots' season ended, with four losses in their final five games topped off by an embarrassing 47-17 loss to the AFC East-rival Bills on Saturday night, was shocking.

The Patriots started 2-4, finished 1-4. That's 3-8 compared to 7-0. Now, with the benefit of hindsight, which "half" of the season was closer to who these Patriots really were?

...and if you really wanted to lay it on, there was the 2-4 close to 2019 and 7-9 record last year. "

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The 1991 Browns were 6-7 and in the playoff hunt but lost their final three games.

The 1992 Browns were 7-6 and were in playoff track but lost their final three games.

The 1993 Browns were 6-6 and in the playoff hunt but lost three of their last four games.

The 1995 Browns, coming off that playoff season, were 4-4 before collapsing with a 1-7 finish, which most people write off to the team‘s imminent relocation.

The myth that Belichick teams always get get better late in the season is rooted in two things: Tom Brady (weird, huh…the Bucs are 12-1 after Thanksgiving), and the cake schedule to end the 2008 season, where the last four games were against teams that were a combined 25-39, with three of those games at home (and yes, I’m aware the Cardinals went on a Cinderella run to make the SB.)

I’m not crapping on Belichick, though I’ve learned you can’t state facts here because there are too many crybabies. What I like to do is point out that many of the perceived advantages aren’t actually there and are simply confirmation bias. With Brady, Belichick won at a .750 clip. So many of the winning trends are explained by regular dominance and expected winning pct rather than by some other 5D chess factors. This includes:

• Belichick teams have a built-in advantage after a bye week.
• Belichick teams don’t get blown out because they’re so well prepared.
• Belichick does better than expected against rookie QBs.

Again, when you combine a .750 win pct with these other factors, the results make sense. For example, winning at .750 against all teams, means you’ll be winning at a really, really high rate against rookie QBs who have a conglomerate winning pct. of .350 to .400. The teams don’t get blown out much because they’re dominant. They win a lot after the bye week because they flat out win a lot.

Without Brady, you can see that when Bill has had non-elite teams, all of these splits tend to be right on the bell curve.

 

[Pats1971]

Started playing good teams?

 

[Lagaffe_07]

That is the kind of season that gets coaches shown the door. Will be interesting to see what changes are made.

The only change I can see is the ST coach otherwise in my opinion Bill will not fire McDaniels, Mayo or his son. The only way there is a change is if one of this coaches take HC a job.

 

[Scotty]

If the team actually fired all the players and coaches mentioned in the various threads there may not be anybody left to switch the lights off.

Just have to put trust in the organisation to review whats needed

 

[Rob0729]

There are probably dozens of reasons from the age of key defensive player to the bye and extra days off during a three week stretch took away the momentum of the defense to injuries to players believing their press clippings. People are going to come up with over simplified answers that fit their own personal opinions, but the reasons are probably more complex than that it.

I don’t buy it was a mirage claims. The Pats didn’t just beat teams on their seven game stretch, they dominated them. If the Pats were just a mediocre team that just hit a fortunate part of their schedule, they would win games, not dominate games like they did. You don’t go from dominating average and bad teams to being spanked by top teams just because you were an average or mediocre team just taking advantage of the schedule.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Started playing good teams?

0-7 against winning-record teams in Dec/Jan

 

[DarrylS]

BB is old and the mediocre staff around him isn't good enough, particularly the offensive staff

What does age have to do with it?? he has more football intelligence and coaching intelligence than anyone else in the league..

Amazing how anyone can generalize Bills alleged ineptitude in terms of age..

 

[DropKickFlutie]

What does age have to do with it?? he has more football intelligence and coaching intelligence than anyone else in the league..

Amazing how anyone can generalize Bills alleged ineptitude in terms of age..

You're right. Might have zero to do with his age. But the team has been weak post-Thanksgiving going on 3 straight years now.

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[DarrylS]

You're right. Might have zero to do with his age. But the team has been weak post-Thanksgiving going on 3 straight years now.

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Not sure you fix that?? One part of Sat night not mentioned was that the D was pretty banged up, and the snap counts reflect that.. Kyle Dugger was playing one handed, Barmore had knee issues.. no excuse, but all factors. Judon 22 of 56 snaps, Bentley 18 snaps etc.Defense
Total snaps: 56

S Devin McCourty (56; 100%), LB Kyle Van Noy (54; 96%), CB J.C. Jackson (51; 91%), S Kyle Dugger (46; 82%), LB Dont’a Hightower (45; 80%), CB JoeJuan Williams (41; 73%), DL Deatrich Wise Jr. (41; 73%), S Adrian Phillips (38; 68%), LB Jamie Collins (34; 61%), DT Davon Godchaux (33; 59%), DT Christian Barmore (33; 59%), DT Lawrence Guy (30; 54%), DB Myles Bryant (23; 41%), LB Matthew Judon (22; 39%), LB Ja’Whaun Bentley (18; 32%), DT Daniel Ekuale (16; 29%), CB Justin Bethel (13, 23%), CB D’Angelo Ross (8, 14%), LB Josh Uche (6; 11%), LB Jahlani Tavai (5, 9%), CB De’Vante Bausby (3; 5%)

 

[Stu Pidassle]

Clearly the coaching did not respond to the slide coming out of the bye. The level of effort and intensity was also a contributing factor owned by the players. Even if the game plans were bad, the team just did not seem to try hard once the other opponent forced their will on the Pats. Maybe it is a simple matter of other teams figuring out the lack of speed which made the old, slow players appear not to try. Regardless there needs to be new younger leaders on the field to take the team to the next level.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Seriously. We have mods that police the GDT like FEDS but completely ignore the main. When did spamming the board and hijacking threads become ok??

These threads are useless. DKF just gets buried and let's be honest. Has no idea what he's talking about concerning football. That's putting it nice.

This place deserves better. It's embarrassing.

Half of the responses in this thread have been posted by DKF...that should tell you something about him

 

[‘Mondre]

That is the kind of season that gets coaches shown the door. Will be interesting to see what changes are made.

Not really man. They made the playoffs