Pats have engaged in TRADE TALKS for Isaiah Wynn

[Wozzy]

Huge disappointment for the 23rd pick in the draft. Not even upset he is not pro bowl level.....but he has been an average LT at best and plagued by injuries.

Not a complete bust, but very much underperformed where he was drafted.
He is completely replaceable at 50% of what he is being paid.
The patriots offense with or without him will be mediocre this year.

The injuries have been disappointing but he has been a solid starter anytime he has been healthy. Hardly a bust… not even close to a bust.

Jason Smith, Tony Mandarich… these are offensive line draft busts. Guys who don’t play because they suck.

The Patriots offense last year ranked 6th in the NFL in points scored with a rookie QB with worse personnel around him… but you think “mediocre” in 2022 sounds reasonable if they’re healthy… hyperbole much?

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

You're overrating him. He's nothing more than a middling pass protector, and pass protection is the primary job of your left tackle.

Not going to argue with that. This year he is the right tackle, not the left tackle (you are looking backwards to support your argument). So the hope is that he is better than middling at right tackle (looking forwards). I think the level of competition across from the right tackle is lowered enough that Wynn will be above average at RT. Wynn has always been a good athletic run blocker. I think the Pats finally gave up on him at LT (because he was middling as you point out), hence the move to RT.

 

[Deus Irae]

You’re underrating him. He’s got quick feet and does a good job of staying in front of his man. He doesn’t dominate people and he does make mistakes from time to time but overall he is a solid pass protector.

Don't overrate players when you're trying analysis. Overrating the talent doesn't help the team. Overrating the talent doesn't lead to more wins. Overrating doesn't do anything but screw up the analysis. At the LT position, we went through this crap with Nate Solder, where this board consistently overrated him, too. That didn't make him a better player, either.

And Wynn's not a solid pass protector.

 

[patfanken]

Reiss: "UDFA...Russey looks like a keeper."

I wonder if he learned from Zappe's only sack earlier in the quarter. I'm not sure whose fault this was, but that had to be fresh in Russey's head.

This was a very well drawn up weak side blitz against the perfect (for them) alignment (empty). In an ideal world MAYBE a 10 year vet C sees that AND can get there to help. I would opine that even if the C saw it coming, he'd have a very hard time getting there. This is on the QB. Brady would have brought back a RB back into the backfield where he'd have had an angle on the blitzing S, or changed the WR's routes to get the ball out quicker. And that would be too much to ask from Zappe. You can see him focusing on the 2 deep in cuts on the weakside that will take too long to develop. Brady would have been looking at the strong side from the snap and rolled a bit away from the blitz. (hard to see what the strong side routes were)

This is a tip of the cap play from Carolina, those undisciplined and disreputable bastards

 

[TheRainMaker]

Place your bets! Does Wynn get traded?

 

[patfanken]

Why is it that every year now the Pats act like they're starting from scratch at OL. It's like a continual tilta-whirl until week 6. Can't they do enough trial & error and evaluation during TC and 3 preseason games to establish the best situation to run with starting Week 1?
Brown - Strange - Andrews - Onwenu - Wynn/Cajuste
backups: Herron - Hambright - Ferentz
PS: Hines, Stueber, Sherman

switch Rosseey for Ferrentz and you got a solid Group.

 

[patfanken]

Place your bets! Does Wynn get traded?

Here's the thing. If they are likely getting back a 3rd if they let him walk next March, they will need to do better than that now. And I don't see any team giving up a 2nd or first for Wynn, The only way they give him up for less is that they believe he done as a football player. It's no longer in his blood. Because right now he has 18-20MM reasons to have a GREAT season at T with the Pats. Because that is what a young starting OT is going to cost next year. This week will tell us at least SOMETHING about where he is so far this year.

 

[Ring 6]

Wynn may not have been the franchise answer at LT, but he's a very solid OL. Trading him would further ensure this season to be a sophomore slump for Jones & Co. The OL is all kinds of mix up, and it's coach - Matty P - is trying to learn how to call Offense while installing a brand new one for this team. The worst thing possible is to count on Ferentz or Cajuste as full time starters. Not to mention a rookie LG. Because don't forget Brown will miss games this year. And it's either Herron or Cajuste protecting Mac.

No one is installing a brand new offense.

 

[Ring 6]

Don't overrate players when you're trying analysis. Overrating the talent doesn't help the team. Overrating the talent doesn't lead to more wins. Overrating doesn't do anything but screw up the analysis. At the LT position, we went through this crap with Nate Solder, where this board consistently overrated him, too. That didn't make him a better player, either.

And Wynn's not a solid pass protector.

Posters on a message board having opinions doesn’t help or hurt the team or lead to more or less wins. My god.

 

[Ring 6]

Wouldn't this describe the Mason deal?

Trading a guy in the off-season and trading a guy at the end of camp are / very different things.

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

so you would have Strange as a BACKUP center?

No starting LG but rather strange than ferentz if Andrews is out

 

[TomPatriot]

Here's the thing. If they are likely getting back a 3rd if they let him walk next March, they will need to do better than that now. And I don't see any team giving up a 2nd or first for Wynn, The only way they give him up for less is that they believe he done as a football player. It's no longer in his blood. Because right now he has 18-20MM reasons to have a GREAT season at T with the Pats. Because that is what a young starting OT is going to cost next year. This week will tell us at least SOMETHING about where he is so far this year.

There are two other factors. They get cap space now to acquire a veteran player during the season. They don’t get the 3/4 sandwich pick (at best) until the 2024 draft.

 

[RxJock1120]

Place your bets! Does Wynn get traded?

My bet is on yes, for 4th Rounder at best.

Anyone expecting a 2nd Rounder or higher is dreaming.

 

[BTTA]

No starting LG but rather strange than ferentz if Andrews is out

Much too important a position for the management of the line to put a rookie there who has never player NFL C before. The opposing D would have a field day messing with his head and screwing up the blocking assignments.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Don't overrate players when you're trying analysis. Overrating the talent doesn't help the team. Overrating the talent doesn't lead to more wins. Overrating doesn't do anything but screw up the analysis. At the LT position, we went through this crap with Nate Solder, where this board consistently overrated him, too. That didn't make him a better player, either.

And Wynn's not a solid pass protector.

PFF had him ranked as the 11th best tackle in 2020...he may not elite but he certainly above average.

 

[JayNM]

I remember when he was drafted, i did some research and found out he was, by far, the smallest T in the league

At his best, he was pretty good, but he never maintened that for more than one or two games, then he has all the injuries...

If you hadn't traded Shaq Mason (Still don't understand it), he would be a easy trade cut. Now? Man, I know we are in for a risky season, but a makeshift OL protecting our 2nd year Franchise QB, without Scar behind it AND all the struggles we've been hearing....

I'd rather keep him, EVEN if he loses his spot for Cajuste or whomever during the season, I think this is the one position we really can't fudge around with much

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

No, it's a big need.

I don't disagree ..was actually rooting for a tackle in the first this year...but it won't change the fact that media/majority of fans will go insane when we do.

 

[TheRazorsEdge]

But is that really a bad plan? Draft a QB in the first RD then follow that up with consecutive first RD olinemen to protect.

No it's not, it's a sound plan actually.

 

[catent]

Huge disappointment for the 23rd pick in the draft. Not even upset he is not pro bowl level.....but he has been an average LT at best and plagued by injuries.

Not a complete bust, but very much underperformed where he was drafted.
He is completely replaceable at 50% of what he is being paid.
The patriots offense with or without him will be mediocre this year.

You cannot "completely replace" Wynn's performance with a 5m LT, unless that 5m LT is one on a rookie contact. That's simply a matter of fact.

And then dropping in that gem at the end, the offense will be mediocre regardless of whether their (in your eyes) mediocre LT plays ... before the preseason has even ended, let alone a regular season game played. What a lame perspective.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

The biggest knock on Wynn is his availability. Nobody even knows today if he is healthy, holding out, or just pouting (making 10 mil this year, you would hope he isn't pouting). Couple that with Brown's frequent DNPs, and you have a recipe for disaster.

I would wait until a playoff team loses a tackle and hold their feet to the fire to trade Wynn. Of course, that would also be taking a chance he doesn't end up on IR before that can happen.

It really doesn't matter how good you play, if you don't play.