Patriots won't Mortgage picks to move up for a QB

[maineman209]

I think a trade into next year with one of the top 5 picks (even #95 could possibly net a low second rounder—maybe) is a good possibility.

In 2010, BB traded the #89 to Carolina for "a 2011 2nd-rounder". The Panthers finished dead last in the league in 2010, so that "2011 2nd" became the #33 overall pick.

Unfortunately, BB used it to take Ras-I Dowling, but that's another story.

 

[supafly]

In 2010, BB traded the #89 to Carolina for "a 2011 2nd-rounder". The Panthers finished dead last in the league in 2010, so that "2011 2nd" became the #33 overall pick.

Unfortunately, BB used it to take Ras-I Dowling, but that's another story.

Good memory. That solidified my thinking even more that 1 of those first 5 picks should be traded into next year, where we can load up on top 1-3 round options and do it all over again.

These next two drafts will be huge in which direction this team will go without Brady and Belichick. Enormous.

 

[scott99]

Or wait until next year...

Gonna have to disagree, this is one of the deepest QB drafts in a decade. Probably not smart to NOT snag one of the top 6-7 QBs.

 

[scott99]

I wouldn’t mind if they trade up, for a great defender, or a Calvin Ridley. Otherwise stay put and take two defensive players round one, maybe one more in round 2, and then a QB in late round 2 or the 3rd pick. 3 defensive picks early, plus the returns of Hightower and Rivers, really infuses depth and talent to this defense.

 

[Love The Drake]

Only 2 players worth in top 10 Mayfield or Chubb

 

[maineman209]

I wouldn’t mind if they trade up, for a great defender, or a Calvin Ridley. Otherwise stay put and take two defensive players round one, maybe one more in round 2, and then a QB in late round 2 or the 3rd pick. 3 defensive picks early, plus the returns of Hightower and Rivers, really infuses depth and talent to this defense.

If BB trades up in the 1st round to select a WR, I'll be so stunned, I'll probably drop my beer. And that hasn't happened to me in about 50 years.

 

[Off The Grid]

Or wait until next year...

Dude, this isn't the Game Day Thread.

Ohhhhhhhhh. Gotcha.

 

[Off The Grid]

"Contractual obligations" is a strange concern in my opinion. The option year is entirely team-friendly. The team has a choice to exercise the 5th option on him right around draft time following his 3rd season. That 5th year option is only guaranteed for injury until right before free agency starts before his 5th season. In other words, the player can crap the bed during/after year 4, and as long as he isn't hurt the team can rescind the option and allow him to be a free agent after that 4th year.

Basically - a team would/should only exercise the 5th year option on a player who would command a higher cost in free agency than the 5th year option provides. If you're taking a QB in Round 1, if he's showing any sort of potential to be a starting QB, then it's in your favor to exercise the option. If he doesn't, then just don't exercise it, and he'll be a free agent after year 4 like everyone else.

Exactly. It's idiotic to consider that 5th year option anything but an advantage.

 

[Off The Grid]

I'm not even counting on him as part of the plan. Blood clots are serious. A second event basically crosses him off the list.

I concur.

Then again, I never counted'm as part'f the plan before the blood clots.

 

[Off The Grid]

I like Jackson at #23...

I think that Jackson is a terrific Pick at #23...provided, of course, that he's picked by the Team that ships us a parcel of Picks for the privilege of doing so.

 

[Off The Grid]

Mortgage is wrong term. It's parlay. Dumb sportswriters

Yes...and...yes...and...Hell, yes!!

Pretty stupid conflation of terms, there.

 

[maineman209]

The Pats currently have 72 players on the roster, 35 of whom will be free agents at the end of the season. And those imminent UFAs span all positions except interior DL and QB.

Aside from maybe the interior DL and QB, I can't find any position on the roster that couldn't benefit significantly from an immediate upgrade (at the bottom or the top), and/or a ready-to-go replacement for 2019.

Although the Pats have the flexibility to do so, under the circumstances, I seriously doubt that they'll sacrifice significant draft capital, and the opportunities to strengthen several positions, in order to move up and draft one fan favorite "stud" player. To me, that type of move is more typical of teams that are desperate to get into (or back into) the playoffs, not of teams that are trying to maintain their current high competitive level.

 

[maineman209]

Exactly. It's idiotic to consider that 5th year option anything but an advantage.

It's probably a bit more of an advantage with prospects who are selected outside the top-10. The 5th-year option amounts for prospects selected in the top-10 have been nearly Franchise Tag level. For those taken from #11-#32m the amounts have been considerably less.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Gonna have to disagree, this is one of the deepest QB drafts in a decade. Probably not smart to NOT snag one of the top 6-7 QBs.

I’m not necessarily disagreeing with you, but the quarterbacks after Mayfield, Rosen, Darnold, Allen and Jackson are developmental QBs that may or may not work out. If BB and Caserio feel like Lauletta, White, etc. aren’t that great, why not look towards Brady’s heir in 2019? Just think about it - if they snag a top QB in next year’s draft that will give Brady another 2 years in NE not including 2018. It’s perfect timing. if the quality is there in the 2018 draft, then fine, draft a QB. If it’s not, don’t waste assets on projects like Mike White, who frankly doesn’t look very good.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

I wouldn’t mind if they trade up, for a great defender, or a Calvin Ridley. Otherwise stay put and take two defensive players round one, maybe one more in round 2, and then a QB in late round 2 or the 3rd pick. 3 defensive picks early, plus the returns of Hightower and Rivers, really infuses depth and talent to this defense.

I am very excited to see what Derek Rivers can bring to the table.

 

[Tony2046]

If you take any article about who a team is going to draft seriously, and the team involved is not the Browns at #1, you're crazy. Based upon the combination of written/spoken reports/speculations, we already know that the Patriots are going to:

Trade to the top of the draft to grab one of the top 4 QBs
Trade up a little to grab a 2nd tier QB
Stay pat and draft a QB either at the bottom of round one or in a later round
Not draft a QB at all

I'm predicting he drafts a WR and converts him to QB.

Boom Shakalaka.

 

[Deus Irae]

Gonna have to disagree, this is one of the deepest QB drafts in a decade. Probably not smart to NOT snag one of the top 6-7 QBs.

As with any year, and at any position, you ("you" being the decision makers for the team in question) should only draft a player if you think there's a suitable one available. It doesn't matter if everyone else thinks there are 100 NFL level QBs. All that matters is whether or not you think there is an NFL level QB that fits your team and is attainable.

 

[Deus Irae]

I'm predicting he drafts a WR and converts him to QB.

Boom Shakalaka.

Can you imagine how many stories we'd hear about "Edelman feels threatened!"?

 

[lancerman]

Define “mortgage picks”.

There’s a zero percent chance we give the Brown or Giants a haul to move up for Rosen or Darnild. If it’s the 15th selection and we need to flip the 23rd and a 2nd to move up if Jackson’s on the board, I can see that and that would be a fine value imo.

Whatever you think of Brady, it’s unrealistic to just assume he’ll be at a high level 5 seasons from now. It’s time to really take a look at the future.

 

[ashley]

I'd be surprised if we move up for a qb an trade away multiple picks. Grab a qb in the 2nd round, focus our first pick on a LT....with the often injured Cannon and Waddle expecting to start, I think we need to get one of the top tackles in the draft.
After the OT, I'd take the best LB/edge rushers and then focus on the QB.