DRAFT Patriots trade up and select DT Christian Barmore

[manxman2601]

I want our run defense to improve but I'm not sold that Barmore is the guy despite his size. Highlights show poor anchor.

We already signed those guys In FA

 

[Hammer of Thor]

We already signed those guys In FA

How does he compare to Adam Butler? That’s the player type the Pats lost this offseason that they didn’t seem to replace in free agency.

 

[manxman2601]

How does he compare to Adam Butler? That’s the player type the Pats lost this offseason that they didn’t seem to replace in free agency.

I’m afraid this year I’m not the one to ask. Will give our picks a good study after the draft, but from what I’m reading, he sounds like he’s got much higher upside. Like legitimate pro-bowl upside.

 

[Betterthanmost]

Go listen to his interview, he sounds like BB clone. Did not give reporters anything.

 

[DropKickFlutie]

Go listen to his interview, he sounds like BB clone. Did not give reporters anything.

Trained by Saban

 

[PScottman]

I think they'll be very patient with him and use him as an interior situational pass rusher his first year and be on the field about 30% of the defensive snaps. I think that would be a realistic percentage. By all accounts (including yours ) he is exceedingly raw and its not entirely a sure thing that he will buy into the intense culture here. He needs to work on his techniques and become more of a professional than just a physical talent. His value to the run defense is probably a couple of years down the road. The thought of him and Cowart attacking the middle of the OL and pushing the pocket is exciting.

Like someone said earlier, we have a ton of run stoppers already. (oh that was you ) We needed a dynamic presence in the interior of our pass rush. Now we have the talent we need. It will be several months before we find out if we have the player.

He's the Butler replacement in the short term (who should've been the interior 3d down specialist but got elevated to 3 down guy because they didn't have much else last year) with potential to be much more.

 

[PaulThePat]

Great pick. Feels like the Pats got themselves 2 first rounders this year.

 

[luuked]

Barmore seems like a good bet to trade up for. At worst he should still be a more consistent version of Butler. At best develop into a three down player over the next two seasons.

 

[luuked]

Mike Lombardi has nailed the Patriots' draft so far. He told us they weren't going to trade up for Fields and that the biggest remaining need was 3-tech.

The interesting thing is that Lombardi not only called them not moving up for Fields but also gave football reasons for why it really wasn't a good fit:

"Because I watch Fields play and I watch the Patriots’ offense, and I don’t think those two things go hand in hand,” Lombardi said when asked why he doesn’t view Fields as a fit for New England. “I think if you watch Fields’ mechanics — and nobody wants to hear this, because people only look at the completed passes; they don’t look at the quarterback’s mechanics — he’s a long strider in the pocket. He’s got a really long delivery. The ball’s going to be very difficult to control for him. It’s typically not something that (the Patriots) like. They like a more mechanically sound player.”

So it wasn't something he heard or some gut feeling but a mix of insight he had from working for years as a scout and draft guy and what he learned from his time with BB.

It is kinda satisfying to see how actual expertise matters.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

Mike Lombardi has nailed the Patriots' draft so far. He told us they weren't going to trade up for Fields and that the biggest remaining need was 3-tech.

Has he said anything about Day 3?

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

Love the Barmore pick, I can live with the trade especially when you consider the Pats last year traded a 4th and 6th to move up to take the useless Dalton Keane. Fills a big need with a great player and someone who already knows the system. Watching his highlights you can see that he has been trained to rush to keep the QB in the pocket.

Jenkins also looks like a typical some risk, high (pun intended) reward type of player.

I hate the fact that someone grabbed the Schwartz, I was hoping the Pats could draft a real speed deamon. I think you have to think WR, O-line, are coming next. Dylan Moses is also still out there, in a year where evaluating players is hard, obviously BB has leaned on players that he knows come from a good system. If Moses can recover to his pre-injury self, he would be a steal in the 4th round, plus the Pats could have an all Tide LB corps.

 

[Patsgofor4]

Captain Stone is by himself in a dark room somewhere, still wondering why the Patriots haven’t signed Jurrell Casey.

 

[Love The Drake]

This is Football Porn

 

[Love The Drake]

This is Football Porn

His hand strength is ridic he’s going to be a beast day 1

 

[patsfanfromoversea]

 

[Patsgofor4]

I want our run defense to improve but I'm not sold that Barmore is the guy despite his size. Highlights show poor anchor.

He may need some work on that part of his game, but Barmore is already a better run defender than Butler (who did improve as a run defender during his time with the Pats). He’ll be fine with more physical development and coaching.

 

[n1997y]

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This is a classic BB 2nd rounder. ...

Ken, you are usually spot on, but you should have noticed, he’s not a safety nobody’s heard of...

 

[BTTA]

According to Bedard, the real risk in Barmore seems to be tied to non football issues. I hope he has an agent who puts attention and resources into financial management, lifestyle, the friends he chooses, etc.

What I heard was interesting. And I am just passing on the information I received before he landed on the Patriots — there was no anti-New England bias.

“Yeah, we looked hard at him, could use a player like him … Barmore was not for us,” said one team.

What was the issue? I’m not going to divulge specific information to protect my sources and their relationships, but it boils down to this: there are a lot of questions about Barmore’s intelligence and how it might manifest itself once he’s out of the more controlling collegiate environment and has more freedom.

The team that had the late second-round grade on Barmore said that was the earliest they would have been comfortable with the risk.

“Alabama barely held him together,” said an NFC scout. “As a pro, he’s a real wild-card.”

I asked another scout if he had any specifics, and he said that just general accountability — getting to practice and class — was a struggle for him and Barmore has to be in a very tightly controlled environment, like Alabama has, to succeed. Barmore also was in a very heavy rotation — most players with his talent play upwards of 70 percent of snaps. His playing time just kept dropping to about a 50-50 split. That’s very unusual and sent scouts digging for answers.

“I think he’s going to be a big-time bust,” said one scout, again, before the Patriots picked him.

The Patriots have to know all this. Obviously, Nick Saban didn’t completely wave Belichick off Barmore, so there should be some comfort there with the risk.

 

[n1997y]

Great!

 

[PP2]

I asked another scout if he had any specifics, and he said that just general accountability — getting to practice and class — was a struggle for him and Barmore has to be in a very tightly controlled environment, like Alabama has, to succeed.

Hmmmmmmmm, I wonder just what sort of environment in the NFL could possibly qualify as being tightly-controlled?