Patriots sign ex-Colt DE/OLB John Simon

[jah]

Don’t forget the missed FG game against Arizona.

Yeah. As ****ty as that 2 week span was, we were in those games until the very end, and quite honestly earned both victories until the refs intervened.

What feels different about this season is the way the 2 losses happened (putting up absolutely no fight, getting turnovers and taking no advantage...it's like the complete opposite of the Patriots we know), as well as the fact that we lose crucial roster depth to IR every 4 days even after the team already looks like ****.

 

[Ring 6]

Yeah, the Rams bought all that up. Geesh. How do they do it?

Ask that when the balloon pops and they crash and burn.

 

[TBR]

Pats shut Bortles down in the 4th qtr and allowed 20 points.

So when the Pats allowed 31 to BAL in 2014 their D was **** that year?

It definitely wasn't sh*t, but boy did it come close to choking in the SB, between that 80 yard TD in 30 seconds to close the half, along with being a yard away from losing the lead at the very end. Thank God for Malcolm Butler.

Malcolm was missing as well and Foles lit them up.

If you want to use that logic, you need to see it both ways.

Mike Zimmer didn't bench key players on his defense against the Eagles. They were simply hurt. Belichick benched Butler and refused to adjust. Not comparable at all.

 

[Ring 6]

I don't mind the player, but he's Strictly a 3-4 OLB, and we haven't utilized a strict 3-4 since Chandler Jones was drafted. He'll help us because he's a pro, but not much.

We used nink as a 34 olb a lot in 15. We used marsh as a 34 olb last year , then lee, then Harrison.
Our defense is morphing so there is room for any role across the front 6.

 

[Ring 6]

It definitely wasn't sh*t, but boy did it come close to choking in the SB, between that 80 yard TD in 30 seconds to close the half, along with being a yard away from losing the lead at the very end. Thank God for Malcolm Butler.

So now we suck even when all we do is win a close Sb?

Mike Zimmer didn't bench key players on his defense against the Eagles. They were simply hurt. Belichick benched Butler and refused to adjust. Not comparable at all.

What does the reason players were missing have to do with the point that one game is
nt all you judge a defense on?

 

[Uptown]

He is an elite edge setter from what I gather.

 

[QB12]

Ask that when the balloon pops and they crash and burn.

That may be at the SB victory party with Snoop.

 

[Ring 6]

That may be at the SB victory party with Snoop.

Don’t count on it.

 

[QB12]

I appreciate your long view Andy. I too am a passionate homer. But dang Nabbit I want to absolutely rag doll these dolphins Sunday

 

[catent]

So now we suck even when all we do is win a close Sb?

Andy, you're the master of putting words in others mouths and creating strawmen. TBR never said we sucked ... or anything close to that. He's simply arguing that our defensive struggles this season may be different from previous seasons.

 

[RobertWeathers]

It definitely wasn't sh*t, but boy did it come close to choking in the SB, between that 80 yard TD in 30 seconds to close the half, along with being a yard away from losing the lead at the very end. Thank God for Malcolm Butler.

Super Bowls are crazy. Look at SEA. Look at NE in 03. Teams sometimes score a ton of points.

78 Steelers allowed 31 to Dallas. Did they suck.

Pats strategy was to shut down the JAX running game and they did. They sacrificed the pass and Bortles went nuts for 3 qtrs. In Q4 they went southpaw and won.

Mike Zimmer didn't bench key players on his defense against the Eagles. They were simply hurt. Belichick benched Butler and refused to adjust. Not comparable at all.

Yes they are. Doesn't matter the circumstances of why they didn't play. The fact is they were missing talent. Key players were missing and both good defenses allowed a ton of points to a hot offense and a QB playing out of his ass.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy, you're the master of putting words in others mouths and creating strawmen. TBR never said we sucked ... or anything close to that. He's simply arguing that our defensive struggles this season may be different from previous seasons.

Came close to choking is pretty much saying they sucked.

 

[TBR]

So now we suck even when all we do is win a close Sb?

Huh? What are you trying to twist my words into meaning this time?

What does the reason players were missing have to do with the point that one game isnt all you judge a defense on?

I don't know what to tell you if you think last year's defense was good. James Harrison was the 2nd best player in the front 7 once he came here.

If you truly believe the Pats were a top 5 defense last year (you like to emphasize PPG quite often), shouldn't it speak volumes that Belichick couldn't muster up a game plan to stop Nick Foles with a top 5 defense at his disposal? Plus 2 weeks to prepare.

You keep remarking that the Super Bowl was "just 1 game". Wasn't there anything noticeably different about the defense in that 1 game? Can you think of something? Perhaps a guy who had played over 90% of regular season snaps and 98% in the prior 2 playoff games? Of course - it's Malcolm Butler. Almost like his absence made a difference for the worse. Yet you're Belichick's #1 supporter when it comes to defending that decision.

 

[catent]

Came close to choking is pretty much saying they sucked.

Not at all.

And if that's your interpretation of him saying the defense nearly choked in that game, I'd argue that you have an clear agenda ... which is to frame any criticism of the defense as uncalled for, and equate legitimate critique to a blanket statement saying the defense sucked.

It's intellectually dishonest.

That was a very good defense in 2014/2015, and yet they did nearly give away the Super Bowl, only to make an incredible, game saving play. There's nuance, not everything is black and white.

 

[Joey007]

Yeah. As ****ty as that 2 week span was, we were in those games until the very end, and quite honestly earned both victories until the refs intervened.

What feels different about this season is the way the 2 losses happened (putting up absolutely no fight, getting turnovers and taking no advantage...it's like the complete opposite of the Patriots we know), as well as the fact that we lose crucial roster depth to IR every 4 days even after the team already looks like ****.

I can remember the start of the 2003 season. Losing 31-0 to the Bills and then losing to the mediocre Redskins was a pretty lousy start as well.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Didn't help that Belichick decided to forgo a 42 yard FG inside a dome.

That's some alternate reality there. They were at the 31, making it a 48 or 49 yard FG

see 6:49 left in the 3rd:

Super Bowl XLII - New York Giants vs. New England Patriots - February 3rd, 2008 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'd rather kick it than throw to Gaffney of all people, sure, but the FG was not automatic and it was apparent by then that scoring opportunities might be rather scarce that day.

 

[102 Pat]

I agree. Its the same group of people. They need a life.

I also notice a few guys who are very cleverly passively trolling right now. I dont need to name names but they are being watched.

I lurked on here for a few years before joining in 2008 and I genuinely miss the intelligent football conversations that were had on here win or loss. As the success of the team grew it brought more and more posters on here which brought on a decreased quality on here.

 

[DaBronxPats14]

Don’t know who he is but sounds like a complete JAG

Checkin Colt's* Banner see if he has one up there.

 

[TBR]

That's some alternate reality there. They were at the 31, making it a 48 or 49 yard FG

see 6:49 left in the 3rd:

Super Bowl XLII - New York Giants vs. New England Patriots - February 3rd, 2008 | Pro-Football-Reference.com

I'd rather kick it than throw to Gaffney of all people, sure, but the FG was not automatic and it was apparent by then that scoring opportunities might be rather scarce that day.

Ok, I was off by 6 yards.

 

[Ring 6]

Huh? What are you trying to twist my words into meaning this time?


I don't know what to tell you if you think last year's defense was good. James Harrison was the 2nd best player in the front 7 once he came here.

If you truly believe the Pats were a top 5 defense last year (you like to emphasize PPG quite often), shouldn't it speak volumes that Belichick couldn't muster up a game plan to stop Nick Foles with a top 5 defense at his disposal? Plus 2 weeks to prepare.

You keep remarking that the Super Bowl was "just 1 game". Wasn't there anything noticeably different about the defense in that 1 game? Can you think of something? Perhaps a guy who had played over 90% of regular season snaps and 98% in the prior 2 playoff games? Of course - it's Malcolm Butler. Almost like his absence made a difference for the worse. Yet you're Belichick's #1 supporter when it comes to defending that decision.

Yes the patriots defense was good last year. The only subjective viewpoint is what they actually did in the field. They were 5th in what matters most. They won 15 games. Trying to argue that defenses that allowed more points and won fewer games played better is ignorant. You can find many ways that many defenses outperformed the patriots in some areas. But when those areas do not equate to the scoreboard and the record by definition they are a poor measure.

As far as Butler is concerned the man admitted he didn’t do his job a d he wasn’t prepared to play.
Belichick has all the facts and with his proven record of judgment and decision making I will absolutely every day of the week believe he is better equipped to make that decision than you, with no knowledge, no experience and no track record of having a clue.

Of course this gives you a lot to cry about and I understand you feel being a fan entitles you to act like you think you are better equipped to make that decision from your couch and entitles you to cry about it forever.
We just happen to be different kind of fans.