PATRIOTS NEWS Patriots hire Mike Vrabel to be HC

[PWRxWLF]

Don’t want Rees

Why? (Edit) answered in another post.

 

[KCSVEN]

Josh on Maye pre season

 

[NashuaPats]

Here would be the irony if Vrabel hires Tommy Rees as his OC. Rees was the runner up to Belichick for the UNC head coaching job.

This tells me Rees isn’t staying long if he has any success.

 

[Ring 6]

If Rees is gone in two years, that means the Pats are a contender and Maye is a top QB in the league. If Vrabel is smart, he is already developing another assistant under Rees to take over when Rees leaves and the offense doesn't miss a beat.

McDaniels may not ever leave because no one is ever going to hiring him again to be a head coach, but that isn't a reason to select an OC. You take the best guy to be your OC even if you fear that he will become a prime head coaching candidate in a few years. That was Belichick's mistake with making Patricia OC rather than promoting Caley. He didn't promote Caley because he feared that he would leave in a few years. He knew Patricia would never leave.

That’s not what happened. He made Patricia OL coach and had him call plays because it was a transition year and everyone knew BOB would come the following year.
Caleb’s just a name there is nothing to lead you to believe he would be a good OC, and no other team has felt he would yet.

 

[TheRainMaker]

Something must’ve went wrong with the Ben Johnson interview. If he doesn’t take a HC gig, then I’d see that as a red flag.

Mike Vrabel has work to do, but he’s got a lot of resources available. The Pats were the best job available - not Chicago.

Since Ben Jones said he’s not a coordinator of any kind, he’ll need some great assistants to rely on.

This is a step up, but I’m not excited about yet another convenient Bob hire. I think he think he’s getting what he tried for with Mayo last year. He trying desperately to hold onto the Dynasty.

I hope he cleans house though. Tavai, Bourne, Wise and the hybrids needs to go.

 

[Bobby T]

Doug Pederson could be an interesting choice for OC

I was wondering about him too. He runs west coast. Daboll would have been good if the Giants fired him.

 

[Family]

When he was playing here, he would routinely get up in Belichick's face (metaphorically, at least). And Belichick put up with it, because he backed it up with his play. He knew what he was supposed to do, and he knew what his teammates were doing. (Plus he was so versatile that they never had a play design where they had to take him off the field.)

I would have been happy with Johnson, but I am thrilled with the Vrabel hiring. Seems to be exactly what this franchise needed. I was so pissed when the Pats traded him and this almost makes up for that.

Didn't Bill have a scoring system rating mental errors and Vrabel had zero one year?

 

[NE_Zealot]

Is it an offensive league?

Great offense got taken down by a better defense last night.

All scoring was down in the NFL this year as defenses had the upper hand.

I saw the Ravens rush for 300 yards last night.

 

[Ring 6]

Too bad no one told the Patriots this story so they could have skipped him in the draft.

Katzenmoyer may have been the best college lb I’ve ever seen.

 

[upstater1]

I saw the Ravens rush for 300 yards last night.

So, not a passing league?

Sounds a little bit like the '78 New England Patriots.

 

[NE_Zealot]

So, not a passing league?

Sounds a little bit like the '78 New England Patriots.

Rushing is filed under offense if I’m not mistaken

 

[signbabybrady]

Safe and underwhelming. Why bother to wait a year when he was available last off-season? Then to wrap it up in a few days feels reactive.

On the bright side, Vrabel's been working on the offensive side of the ball. I do like him going outside of his comfort zone.

We'd have obviously been better off but it was probably a good thing for Vrabel to have stepped back and tried some new things.

 

[Ring 6]

I was wondering about him too. He runs west coast. Daboll would have been good if the Giants fired him.

Peterson ruined Lawrence. Daboll is terrible.

 

[Family]

Something must’ve went wrong with the Ben Johnson interview.

I don't see it that way at all.

Vrabel was such a good fit, and is available now. They would have had to wait on BJ's word, and Vrabel would likely be gone.

Kraft has already orchestrated a negative event under those circumstances.

If things were reversed he might have gone with Johnson.

 

[Ring 6]

Rushing is filed under offense if I’m not mistaken

It’s filed under defense too

 

[reflexblue]

I generally think you need to give a GM at least 3 years to turn a bad franchise around, especially when they are saddled with the owners coaching staff, and they suck. However I think this time next year there will be a better understanding of whether Wolf is doing a good job or not. Now he has a good Head Coach, 135 million to spend in free agency, and a good draft situation. Wolf should be able to make significant progress with this roster given this situation, and by then we will have a better read on whether his first draft class is panning out or not.

Generally i would agree with you, i was in wolfs corner but.....he hit on one pick Maye even though he was picking near the top of almost every rnd.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

I generally think you need to give a GM at least 3 years to turn a bad franchise around, especially when they are saddled with the owners coaching staff, and they suck. However I think this time next year there will be a better understanding of whether Wolf is doing a good job or not. Now he has a good Head Coach, 135 million to spend in free agency, and a good draft situation. Wolf should be able to make significant progress with this roster given this situation, and by then we will have a better read on whether his first draft class is panning out or not.

3 years is fair in most cases. I think this should be accelerated though depending on the job he does this year if hes still calling the shots. He should be expected to show something considerable to even consider a year 3. Plus Now that we seem to have our qb clock is ticking on that rookie contract so that also factors in

 

[NashuaPats]

If Rees is gone in two years, that means the Pats are a contender and Maye is a top QB in the league. If Vrabel is smart, he is already developing another assistant under Rees to take over when Rees leaves and the offense doesn't miss a beat.

McDaniels may not ever leave because no one is ever going to hiring him again to be a head coach, but that isn't a reason to select an OC. You take the best guy to be your OC even if you fear that he will become a prime head coaching candidate in a few years. That was Belichick's mistake with making Patricia OC rather than promoting Caley. He didn't promote Caley because he feared that he would leave in a few years. He knew Patricia would never leave.

And if Rees leaves after one season with a .500 record with things heading in the right direction, then Maye is looking at 3 OC in 3 years. Rees isn’t staying long if he’s already interviewing for head coaching positions.

 

[Delicate Genius]

It's a great day.

 

[KCSVEN]

This isn’t correct. He hired lafluer his first season. He promoted Smith to replace him. Both good choices. He promoted Downing after the first 2 were hired as HCs. Downing first year they were 12-5

-John Robinson was responsible for Lafleur. He interviewed for the HC job that Vrabel got. Vrabel tried to hire Ryan Day as OC, when that did not work out and his second choice wasn't available Robinson suggested Vrabel interview him.
-Arthur Smith was on staff of multiple head coaches at TN before Vrabel. He didn't find him, but he did promote him from within. He hired him but did not find him. Todd Downing was who Vrabel brought in to coach TE's when Smith went to OC so he replaced Smith with Downing 2 years later and overall Downing was not a good OC.
Credit for hiring the first 2 guys but he did not find them on his own and this is the big issue/question. He likes to promote from within and after Smith left he probably should have not done that.
-If he goes Josh, he's here forever so none of that matters. If he takes the swing for Rees, then the risk is higher of failure but higher of leaving year 2-3 if he has success.

I think Vrabel with the year off and the experience is just a better coach in all facets and believe he will be better at choosing coaches as well, but it is an open question.