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Third String But Playing on Special Teams
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The only flag I am waving is this one:
I wish your Buffalo Bills luck in getting to a measly one. Clearly they need it.
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The only flag I am waving is this one:
Defensive ranks and how the seasons ended in New England...
Your giving Brady credit for defenses that had exceptional players on them... give it a rest.
An all-time elite QB like Brady can cover up a lot of team warts.
its a betting sight...to get people to bet their money. Nothing more
You can't parlay correlated events.
Wait…. wtf are those “defensive rankings” based on? Your silly interpretation of good and bad? Let’s run down the list:
www.pro-football-reference.com
Yeah, I'm sure it's nonsense to believe that having by far and away the best starting field position in football on defense for two decades and being protected by elite special teams and an offense that put pressure on opponents from the jump, drove deep into opponent territory on most drives and basically never turned the ball over has no impact on points allowed or turnovers forced. Defense is played in a vaccuum and context does not matter. The 2017 defense surely was the 5th best in football, that tracks.Wait…. wtf are those “defensive rankings” based on? Your silly interpretation of good and bad? Let’s run down the list:
in 2001 you have them ranked 24th worst, based on what? They ranked 6th best in the entire NFL in points allowed, they ranked 8th best in forced turnovers… in what imaginary Brady-stan’s wet dream does that rank them 24th worst?! You realize they tally wins and loses based on points right?
2010: You have 25th worst.
Reality was 8th in points allowed, 2nd in the entire NFL in forced turnovers.
2011: You have them as 31st worst.
Reality: 15th in points allowed, 3rd in forced turnovers
2012: You have them as 25th worst.
Reality: 9th in points allowed, 2nd in turnovers
2013: You posted 26th worst.
Reality: 10th in fewest points, 10th in turnovers
2017: You wrote 29th worst.
Reality: 5th in points allowed, 25th in turnovers
And they suffered mass injuries right before the super bowl that year to Hightower, Branch, Jon Jones and Chung. So obviously they weren’t as good in the final game.
2018: You wrote 21st worst.
Reality they were ranked 7th in fewest points allowed and 5th in forced turnovers.
So I don’t know where you found your bullcrap defensive ratings, but they’re total garbage. What is this insanity, some analytics garbage or DVOA nonsense?
Give us a break. A defense can’t be top ten in fewest points allowed and top five in forced turnovers and be ranked 25th worst… that’s some duplicitous stuff Crawdaddy.
Who did you think you were going to fool with those made up ratings?!
For anyone who wants to double check my stats:
New England Patriots Team Records, Leaders, and League Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the New England Patriots Records, Top 12 Leaders, League Ranks, history and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com
The most important stat in football is points, the second most important stat is turnovers because no other stat correlates more to points.
Crawdaddy is literally trying to run a con here ^, that’s how strong his agenda is.
When you consistently have one of the best punters in the NFL, a great return game and special teams units, for sure your field position game thrives.
They built all those hotels in the middle of the desert because they don’t attempt to be right or wrong, they make a profit regardless of the outcome.
You are ****ing unbelievable.Wait…. wtf are those “defensive rankings” based on? Your silly interpretation of good and bad? Let’s run down the list:
in 2001 you have them ranked 24th worst, based on what? They ranked 6th best in the entire NFL in points allowed, they ranked 8th best in forced turnovers… in what imaginary Brady-stan’s wet dream does that rank them 24th worst?! You realize they tally wins and loses based on points right?
2010: You have 25th worst.
Reality was 8th in points allowed, 2nd in the entire NFL in forced turnovers.
2011: You have them as 31st worst.
Reality: 15th in points allowed, 3rd in forced turnovers
2012: You have them as 25th worst.
Reality: 9th in points allowed, 2nd in turnovers
2013: You posted 26th worst.
Reality: 10th in fewest points, 10th in turnovers
2017: You wrote 29th worst.
Reality: 5th in points allowed, 25th in turnovers
And they suffered mass injuries right before the super bowl that year to Hightower, Branch, Jon Jones and Chung. So obviously they weren’t as good in the final game.
2018: You wrote 21st worst.
Reality they were ranked 7th in fewest points allowed and 5th in forced turnovers.
So I don’t know where you found your bullcrap defensive ratings, but they’re total garbage. What is this insanity, some analytics garbage or DVOA nonsense?
Give us a break. A defense can’t be top ten in fewest points allowed and top five in forced turnovers and be ranked 25th worst… that’s some duplicitous stuff Crawdaddy.
Who did you think you were going to fool with those made up ratings?!
For anyone who wants to double check my stats:
New England Patriots Team Records, Leaders, and League Ranks | Pro-Football-Reference.com
Checkout the New England Patriots Records, Top 12 Leaders, League Ranks, history and more on Pro-Football-Reference.com
The most important stat in football is points, the second most important stat is turnovers because no other stat correlates more to points.
Crawdaddy is literally trying to run a con here ^, that’s how strong his agenda is.
Are you pretending you didn’t write these ^ patently false “rankings?”
Points… the only stat that really matters. Points allowed specifically.
Dude, they're the GD rankings that get referenced ALL THE TIME. You know, if you're watching an NFL game broadcast, when the analyst says a defense ranks 28th, they're talking about yards against. Doesn't matter if you think it's a worthless stat, it's a real stat, not patently false, and commonly referenced. Even by YOU...
That's a yards against ranking. 28th in yards against. YOU referenced it... you can't read that quote??
NFL defense ranking, yards against, exactly what you referenced with "28th in the NFL" (2022 Las Vegas Raiders).
You failed brother, because whatever you think "really matters", you referenced a yards against ranking. You need a fact checker.
Based on yards?
No, I said the Raiders defense was ranked 28th and I meant points allowed... specifically points per drive allowed, and that was 4 spots away from dead last. Tom Brady was not going to fix that, he doesn't play defense.
Here is the Raiders page for 2022. Look under the team stats and rankings header. Scroll all the way to the right and you'll find the stat points per drive. But if you want to look at total points all the way to the left that says the team gave up the 26th most points in the league. Either way, no matter how you slice it, I never mentioned yards anywhere and wouldn't. Perhaps I could have been more specific, but at no point has Tom Brady played with a bottom half of the league defense except for 2002.
www.pro-football-reference.com
Yes.
There are a million stats and rankings that can be referenced nowadays so you have to be specific. If you're not specific then the default is two basic rankings: Points Against and Yards Against (these are per game stats). You said 28th ranked defense (without further clarification) so I went with the most obvious corresponding ranking which is Yards Against (where the Raiders ranked 28th). That's why I posted those accurate Patriots rankings. You going to retract your claim that I was making **** up?
Maybe we can approach this another way? The 2011 to 2018 Patriots appeared in an NFL record 8 straight conference championship games and went on to win 3 of 5 Super Bowl appearances. Are there any other quarterback in the entire NFL (at that time) besides Tom Brady that could have led those same Patriots teams to the same level of (or greater) success?
I could have been clearer and had no clue where you were getting your numbers, it was sheer coincidence the yards per game and points allowed per game was exactly the same. Either way, my point remains... no QB no matter how good was fixing that Raider's disaster.
We'll never know what BB and team could have done with Manning, Brees, Rogers, Ben etc...
Why is one hypothetical a "no way no how" and the other a "we'll never know"?
