OT: Steve Young comment

[RyanP421]

Drew Brees certainly stands out at the moment and I truly believe he is a great QB. The only question that I had regarding him was whether he was clutch, he answered that question this postseason.

His superbowl performance was nothing short of stunning.

Other QBs mentioned are not in the same class. Roethlisberger is clutch for sure but he lacks consistency.
Rogers holds onto the ball to long and takes too many sacks because of it. This guy could be great but he still has to prove himself in a lot of ways including in postseason play. I don't think he will have a long career though unless he learns to get rid of the ball more.

Imo Brees is part of the elite which includes just himself Brady and Manning.

What? I mean he played well, but let's not get carried away. HE made ZERO tough throws. It worked and I'd do the same (take what the defense gave him), but it's not like he did anything Kyle Orton couldn't have done.

EDIT- And to say Brees is right there with Brady and Manning is stupid. Brady and Manning have legit arguments that they are the best all time...Does Brees? Nope. So how can he be right there?

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Big Ben over Brees is the type of fodder that brings out the "Trent Dilfer must be better than Dan Marino" arguments.

Brees has more TDs in his one Super Bowl (2) than Big Ben has in both (1). Ben had a QB rating of 17 in his first Super Bowl, and basically had one good drive in the second. Brees is much, much better than Roethlisberger. In this case, the argument "teams win championships, not individuals" applies greater than ever. I think Roethlisberger is the most overrated QB in NFL history; he takes tons of sacks by trying to scramble; he's had the best defense every year; he has lots of skills players around him. Still, his production is not that great... those teams would be scoring 450 points with good QBs. With Big Ben they are always an average offense with a great defense.

Here QB with SB Ratings for you to chomp on

1. 36.8
2. 19.4
3. 51.9

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. John Elway in SB .......22, 24, 32.....so by those measures, John Elway was a pathetic inconsistent QB too ? Gimme a break. take one datapoint and skew it any which way. heh

 

[BionicPatriot]

Funny, if Steve Young switched Manning/Brady's spot on the list, we'd be eharing about how stupid he is, his opinion means nothing, etc.

 

[RobertWeathers]

it's not like he did anything Kyle Orton couldn't have done.

C'mon now....

 

[resdubwhite]

I've been hearing rumblings all over the place that Drew Brees deserves to be talked about as being in the same tier as QBs as Brady and Manning, and the thought is absolutely ******ed.

Not that I agree he is.......
But why is it ******ed? In my opinion he was robbed in the vote for 2008 regular season MVP. 14 yards off Dan Marino's single season record. joint most completions in a superbowl.

His game is on an upward curve. There is no denying he's got talent. Nay, serious talent.

 

[eagle eye]

What? I mean he played well, but let's not get carried away. HE made ZERO tough throws. It worked and I'd do the same (take what the defense gave him), but it's not like he did anything Kyle Orton couldn't have done.

EDIT- And to say Brees is right there with Brady and Manning is stupid. Brady and Manning have legit arguments that they are the best all time...Does Brees? Nope. So how can he be right there?

He is part of the elite now. I never said anything about goat or the decade. He has been a rising star over the last few years, that 5k yards last season put him up there. He has now shown he is clutch.
He completed over 80% of his passes on Sunday. Two touchdowns and no ints. In fact he didn't throw an int in the postseason. His rating for the postseason was 117.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Not that I agree he is.......
But why is it ******ed? In my opinion he was robbed in the vote for 2008 regular season MVP. 14 yards off Dan Marino's single season record. joint most completions in a superbowl.

His game is on an upward curve. There is no denying he's got talent. Nay, serious talent.

Comparing Marino throwing for 5000+ yds in mid 80's vs Brees throwing for 5000 yds in 2008 in a league built on passing with rules built for passing is clearly asinine, as would be coparing today's passers to Dan Fouts.

Heck Eli Manning threw for 4000+ yds in 2009, does that make him elite ? He too can say he has a SB, and for past 5 yrs 20+ TD's and 3500+ yds.

Furthermore, Marino had no running game. Brees has always had a running game to support him be it LT, and then for a couple years had McCallister in NO, along with Bush and Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell

 

[RobertWeathers]

Comparing Marino throwing for 5000+ yds in mid 80's vs Brees throwing for 5000 yds in 2008 in a league built on passing with rules built for passing is clearly asinine, as would be coparing today's passers to Dan Fouts.

Heck Eli Manning threw for 4000+ yds in 2009, does that make him elite ? He too can say he has a SB, and for past 5 yrs 20+ TD's and 3500+ yds.

Furthermore, Marino had no running game. Brees has always had a running game to support him be it LT, and then for a couple years had McCallister in NO, along with Bush and Pierre Thomas, Mike Bell

In 1984, Marino had a very functional running game supporting him. It was comprable in function, stats and style to this year's NO ground game.

No question Brees is better than Eli, but Eli is having a very solid career.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

He is part of the elite now. I never said anything about goat or the decade. He has been a rising star over the last few years, that 5k yards last season put him up there. He has now shown he is clutch.
He completed over 80% of his passes on Sunday. Two touchdowns and no ints. In fact he didn't throw an int in the postseason. His rating for the postseason was 117.

Brees : plays 9/16 games in a dome every year, and 11/16 in warm weather/dome every year (Atl, Carolina, Tampa)...thats almost 70% games played in favorable weather conditions

Yes, he has improved his skills, but could he put up same stats if playing in Chicago or NY or GB every year, or in divisions ? Same argument applies to Warner and Manning since they've benefitted greatly by padding stats playing indoors.

Brady, Ben, Favre, McNabb have not had such luxury. This is why 50TD's by Brady is even more mindboggling a #

 

[BradyFTW!]

Steve Young needs to get his head examined about annointing Brees as #3 now.

Don't disagree about #1 and #2

I would even say over the past decade plus
- Big Ben is ahead of Brees (fewer years in NFL than Brees but 2 SB's)
- Lord Favre(as much as we hate him)....has SB + been to another
- McNabb has been right up there(eventhough he has no SB to show, not necessarily his fault....but leading a team to 4+ NFCCG in a row is pretty commendable)

If Brees can do it again, then for sure he is right up there.

Favre and McNabb over Brees? How the hell do you figure? Favre has the same number of rings in twice as many years, and is historically overrated, and McNabb is an inferior QB to Brees in just about every meaningful way. Big Ben, sure, you can make a case for on the strength of SBs alone, but I'd take Brees over him.

Then again, I'm the one that got hammered on this board a couple of weeks ago for saying that if I was starting a team just for the next few years, I'd start it with Brees, so clearly I'm just in the minority on this one.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

In 1984, Marino had a very functional running game supporting him. It was comprable in function, stats and style to this year's NO ground game.

No question Brees is better than Eli, but Eli is having a very solid career.

Topic is Elite, and what qualifies as Elite. No doubt Brees resume is very good and he has made himself to be a very good QB.

However, it is not because he elevated the talent around him. He has always benefitted from playing with superior talent around him in SD and NO. Let's not get overboard and annoint him Elite based on Stats alone. Look at the body of work and how many years has he carried teams to playoffsand what is his record there ? Before this year he won only 1 playoff game, and in 2006 playoff game was outplayed by Rex Grossman ! and This is one year data and he has been in the league 9 yrs.


Kudos to him he has taken full advanage of this talent to make himself a better QB. However, to call him "Elite" right now is too early.
If he pulls off another or more SB wins, he definately leaps into the Brady, Manning category.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Favre and McNabb over Brees? How the hell do you figure? Favre has the same number of rings in twice as many years, and is historically overrated, and McNabb is an inferior QB to Brees in just about every meaningful way. Big Ben, sure, you can make a case for on the strength of SBs alone, but I'd take Brees over him.

Then again, I'm the one that got hammered on this board a couple of weeks ago for saying that if I was starting a team just for the next few years, I'd start it with Brees, so clearly I'm just in the minority on this one.

I don't think he was saying that Mcnabb is better than Brees. At least, I hope not!

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Big Ben has put up excellent numbers on teams that have historically emphisized a ball-control, defense-oriented philosophy to winning games. That is not his fault.

The man has 2 SB rings and showed his mettle in the final drive vs the Cards.

Hes not in a Brady or Manning class, but the guy wins and leads the team. He and Brees are pretty darn close. I may give a slight edge to Brees as a better passer but he also has 4 more years of experience. Keep in mind Ben is only 27. Lots of years left.

Brees deserves to be in the "top three" for the simple fact he has been the best QB the past two seasons. He has been better than goober during back to back "MVP" seasons.
Why so many fall for mediot punditry is beyond me.

Coldhardfootballfacts has a pretty good rundown.

Big Ben is the orange in the apple cart. Put Brady, Manning, Brees behind the Steelers line and the only reason you don't get 100 sacks is due to death or permanent injury.
Likewise, Big Ben is a meathead and most likely can't function in a cerebral offense. BB would hang him by week 3.

All are excellent QB's for their situations.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Topic is Elite, and what qualifies as Elite. No doubt Brees resume is very good and he has made himself to be a very good QB.

However, it is not because he elevated the talent around him. He has always benefitted from playing with superior talent around him in SD and NO. Let's not get overboard and annoint him Elite based on Stats alone. Look at the body of work and how many years has he carried teams to playoffsand what is his record there ? Before this year he won only 1 playoff game, and in 2006 playoff game was outplayed by Rex Grossman ! and This is one year data and he has been in the league 9 yrs.


Kudos to him he has taken full advanage of this talent to make himself a better QB. However, to call him "Elite" right now is too early.
If he pulls off another or more SB wins, he definately leaps into the Brady, Manning category.

I think you are being too discriminating....

You can be an elite QB and not be in Brady/Manning catagory. Those two are on a whole seperate level.

In his 4 years in NO, Brees has been to 2 conference title games and won a SB MVP. Any other era he is considered elite.

 

[DonBlackmon55]

Favre and McNabb over Brees? How the hell do you figure? Favre has the same number of rings in twice as many years, and is historically overrated, and McNabb is an inferior QB to Brees in just about every meaningful way. Big Ben, sure, you can make a case for on the strength of SBs alone, but I'd take Brees over him.

Then again, I'm the one that got hammered on this board a couple of weeks ago for saying that if I was starting a team just for the next few years, I'd start it with Brees, so clearly I'm just in the minority on this one.

you are contradicting yourself....so is it Favre's fault he is playing longer than Brees, or Ben's fault he came into league 4-5 yrs after Brees ?

Point is Elite QB playing in the league TODAY, whether that means with or without SB, or with or without padded stats.

McNabb carried his team to multiple consecutive NFCCG, as well SB vs Pats. Yes, he does not have sexy stats since he plays most of his games in NE(not in a dome) but look at the "lack of talent" on Offensive side of the ball that has surrounded him - - until couple years ago he had no name WR's and basically no running game.

Brees is good, but has benefitted a lot from talent around him as well where he has played - SD and NO, both good weather or domes. That makes his "stats" look sexy. In SD he could throw since most teams geared to stop LT

Good comparison is Elway vs Marino....Elway willed his teams to SB's (though they bombed there mostly early in his career) but Marino could never get Dolhins back in except the SB vs 49ers. Marino had all the Stats, and Elway did not have sexy stats. Early in his career Elway had no running game just like Marino

 

[HarkDawg]

Steve Young needs to get his head examined about annointing Brees as #3 now.

Don't disagree about #1 and #2

I would even say over the past decade plus
- Big Ben is ahead of Brees (fewer years in NFL than Brees but 2 SB's)
- Lord Favre(as much as we hate him)....has SB + been to another
- McNabb has been right up there(eventhough he has no SB to show, not necessarily his fault....but leading a team to 4+ NFCCG in a row is pretty commendable)

If Brees can do it again, then for sure he is right up there.

disagree about Big Ben...... he is just not considered Top 3 b/c his style of play is not what one expects at the QB position. Yes he has 2 rings...... He is a top 5 QB in the NFL

but he belongs in the group below the TOP....

2).Rivers ,Ben, Eli, Romo etc...
group 2 is your above avg QB that is not great

Take a look at Brady and Brees..... Great looking guys who can play the game and they are the model faces for their position... The media loves good looks and personality. Peyton has got that personality.... granted he does not physically look appealing like Brady/Brees, but he has the stats and reputation for a big time QB........

-Brees is the perfect media story..... from the face..... personality, injury recovery and he plays for the SAINTS. He is deserving of Top ECHELON status..... just don't ignore other characteristics like looks, personality and the ability to play the game.

it is not Rocket Science.....


Group 1

Brady
Peyton
Brees



Welcome to the top Brees

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Here QB with SB Ratings for you to chomp on

1. 36.8
2. 19.4
3. 51.9

.who is it ?
.
.
.

. John Elway in SB .......22, 24, 32.....so by those measures, John Elway was a pathetic inconsistent QB too ? Gimme a break. take one datapoint and skew it any which way. heh

Elway won his last 7 playoff games to end his career 11-7 after a 4-7 Manningesque start. Without those last two Super Bowl victories and his legacy is much different.

 

[ausbacker]

No person in their right mind would ever choose Ben Roethlis'j;zhv;zioyvof;jknvxzberger over Drew Brees. Brees is simply a better quarterback IMO.

Not surprisingly the Steelers defense was mediocre this season and Roethlisberger doesn't make the playoffs.

 

[sieglo]

I am much more concerned about who the best long snapper in the league is right now.