OT: Portnoy In Trouble?

[Bruins29]

Exactly. And no judgement against those here who are shocked by what women want, just know these are INCREDIBLY common things.

Incels dont know **** about this. Is what it is.

 

[Froob]

Regret isn't rape.

That isn't what is happening here. From her story, she said she wanted to stop and he wouldn't. He had consent for sex, that doesn't mean he has consent to do whatever he wants, especially if she says stop.

 

[fightingirish595]

Yes, but they can stop consenting and say no at any time. From the very little I read of the story, it sounds like they may have tried to do that but were potentially forced or intimidated into continuing. Again, I didn't read a whole lot with the pay wall, maybe he steers clear of criminal activity. But someone also mentioned he took videos of women without their consent? I don't know, guy's a creep.

Correct but that’s not my point. My point is people are acting like he’s a pedophile for sleeping with 19 year olds. He’s probably got hundreds of girls in my DMs daily. Of course if these girls or girl said stop and he didn’t, then it’s rape

 

[Froob]

Yeah, the same signs of past false allegations are cropping up. The allegations come long after the encounter and the woman initiates contact both before and afterward. Doesn’t mean their false, but there are definitely some red flags.

This isn't a red flag...there's many many reasons why they wouldn't report it immediately. This is a good article explaining it

Top 10 Reasons People Do Not Report Sexual Abuse (dlawgroup.com)

The contact after is the only thing that is suspect here. I would like to know more about that. But, it certainly isn't sketchy that they waited to report. That is perfectly normal. Saying otherwise is not understanding the trauma and the process that goes into it. Not trying to attack people in this thread or anything, just hope they are open minded enough to learn and not fall into the trope of thinking a high percentage of women are lying.

 

[Bruins29]

If he truly raped a girl he is a vile POS. And I would imagine no 19 year old wants to tell the world she not only banged this dork but that she was humiliated....if this is what happened.

I still have a soft spot for Dave. He went out of his way to publicly embarrass Goodell after what happened to Brady..

 

[One-If-By-Sea]

I am not someone who, by any stretch of the imagination, has had terribly many hook ups or one night stands. However, I did go to high school, I did go to college, I did go to grad school, and I have a job out in the real world (Covid work-from-home notwithstanding). As such, I have had partners throughout the many years. Probably not as many as most guys my age, but the number is greater than 1.

I can say, in complete sincerity, that there are indeed those who wanted things like being choked, being "forced", being called names some might consider degrading, etc. I confess I sometimes wonder if there is something about me that attracts this type of woman or if it is just an incredibly common desire amongst the females of the population. I am starting to lean towards the latter.

If you met me you would know that I am not dashing, suave, or debonair. I did not ask any of the women for kinky sex, they asked me. I am now in a long-term relationship with a "non-kinky" lady as I did not really like the kink for a number of reasons. It is an incredibly common desire. The nurses, dental hygienists, teachers, and psychologists might has well wear a sign on their back - I stopped meeting women who had those professions. Having said that, I never had a choking request.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

After reading the texts, a rape/sex assault case will be hard to prove in court.

Yea it basically makes Portnoy virtually immune to legal retaliation

I've never liked Portnoy, and only barely tolerated him when he was after Goodell (but cringed sometimes at the lengths he would go), because I generally just don't appreciate narcissistic, borderline sociopathic people. Wouldn't shock me one way or the other if this turned out to be true or false

There was a husband who killed his wife by forcing felatio, to put that as eloquently as I can, and was found not guilty because they had a history of enjoying rough sex and it was deemed an accidental death because of his enormous unit (which he apparently offered up as visual evidence to the jury)

A lot of people who end up getting into that type of fetish have some sort of trauma in their past, and it can get really out of hand. I never got into it personally, I dated a girl like 15 years ago or so who I found out shortly into the relationship was into that kind of stuff, and needless to say it didn't work out because I wasn't comfortable pulling her hair (like really, really hard), hitting her, smacking her, choking her, etc... Call me old fashioned, but that **** just isnt for me and would be way too weird, but its still very much a reality for many

That girl i briefly dated was NOT some innocent little teenager/young 20 something, she was from a super rich family and went to very expensive private schools (like $20k/semester private schools) thru Highscool. Was well educated, very intelligent, etc.. but she had a dark side to her and loved to act it out thru sex. Turns out she was also a pathological liar too, but thats for another day.

Some guys are into it, some arent... when respectable men like you bring up that they have daughters, I totally get that mindset, but im sure you also raised them to be respectable, intelligent people as well who wouldn't make poor choices that lead them into these types of situations in the first place. That's why im hesitant to immediately jump to any sort of judgement or conclusion, because while most young women in their teens are good, solid people, there is a small contingent that are bats**t crazy, and who would be very much aware of the power they have in a situation like this, and would also have the social intelligent/awareness to know how they could profit from it with malevolent intent.

You see too many examples of basically a side piece enjoying life being the side piece with a star/celebrity/rich person, but then if they get cut loose there are some mentally unstable enough to go scorched earth. This doesn't seem like a girl that Portnoy was predatorily creeping on, it looks like she was actively trying to solicit and seduce him with all of the rape fantasies and rough sex talk. I'd hesitate to reward that type of decision making, for instance if she sued Portnoy and got $100 million dollars, thats pretty messed up message too, because its saying "oh go and make terrible decisions, live this super risky kink life, etc.. you wont have to be accountable for any of it and will even get massively wealthy in the process never having to work a day in your life ever again!"

When I was in college, I dated a girl who had masochistic personality disorder.... holy cow... im amazed that relationship lasted the 3 months it did, but was one of the first exposures I had to some of those dark passengers people carry around. There are crazies out there, granted they're a small segment of the demographic, but that small demographic gravitates towards these types of rich/famous people and sometimes you get outcomes like this. I grew up thru my late teens and 20s with 3 rich friends, and saw a lot of first hand experience of the crazy ass girls that they were getting involved with, and in most cases those girls actively pursued them, one of them did it blindly from facebook just because she saw my friends sportscar in his profile pic. I never had any of these experiences lol, because I was the only one in the group that wasnt rich. You could argue physical attraction, but only 1 of the 3 was good looking, 1 was average, and the 3rd was, as much as I love him, very unattractive with massive acne, overweight, mannerisms, super shy, etc etc... Even he constantly had crazy hot girls pawing at him all the time, and he is not an alpha aggressive guy, hes very shy and never makes the move or engages girls.. they would just find out he's rich, and like flies to **** were swarming all over him (and i dont resent him for any of this, just using it as anecdotal examples ive seen in my life that make me always proceed with caution before assigning judgement or blame)

I feel sorry for this young girl regardless, I wish her father was a better influence on her.. Being ok with being treated that way by someone directly relates to their self-esteem and self worth, and its really sad that they have so little of both that they would subject themselves to jerkoffs like this

 

[nowayback]

For people like me who cant read article, alot of it is shown here

 

[Joker]

I only have one rule about rough sex...never, and I mean never allow Fnord near your Suzy Slut blow-up doll...

 

[nowayback]

I am not someone who, by any stretch of the imagination, has had terribly many hook ups or one night stands. However, I did go to high school, I did go to college, I did go to grad school, and I have a job out in the real world (Covid work-from-home notwithstanding). As such, I have had partners throughout the many years. Probably not as many as most guys my age, but the number is greater than 1.

I can say, in complete sincerity, that there are indeed those who wanted things like being choked, being "forced", being called names some might consider degrading, etc. I confess I sometimes wonder if there is something about me that attracts this type of woman or if it is just an incredibly common desire amongst the females of the population. I am starting to lean towards the latter.

You are weird , no surprise the females you attract . Any pointers for me? . In general I have found women to have more "deviant" behavior then men . I think alot of that has to do with troubles at home as a child , (big surprise)

 

[Nunchucks]

Most guys in their 30's/40's are schlubs like us. There's just no opportunity there to date teenage instagram model wannabes.

But regarding those athletes/actors/musicians/millionaires in their 30's/40's who have all the groupies, and who have those teenage instagram model wannabes throwing themselves at them left and right, I have a sneaky suspicion that those men indulge at a rate more frequent than many would be comfortable knowing. I read an article yesterday that Leonardo DiCaprio (age 46) refuses to date anyone over 25. I can't say I know for certain that stat is accurate, but it sure seems reasonably valid. But he is dashing and charming and respectful, so I guess it's ok for him.

The best nugget in this statement is that you are reading articles about Leonardo decaprio...lmao

What a joke..grow the faulk up

 

[XLIX]

You are weird , no surprise the females you attract . Any pointers for me? . In general I have found women to have more "deviant" behavior then men . I think alot of that has to do with troubles at home as a child , (big surprise)

That's actually one of my pet theories as well. I mean, it just seems to me there are more and more people growing up in dysfunctional families than, say, 30-40-50 years ago. I know that is just my anecdotal observation, but I don't find terribly many people disagreeing with it. So when those kids become adults....well, things happen....

 

[XLIX]

The best nugget in this statement is that you are reading articles about Leonardo decaprio...lmao

What a joke..grow the faulk up

WTF is your problem? Someone piss in your cornflakes again this morning?

Leonardo DiCaprio is a brilliant, Academy Award winning actor. I am not even remotely ashamed to say I am a fan of many of his works. He was fantastic in such films as Wolf of Wall Street, Django Unchained, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Inception, Blood Diamond, The Departed, The Aviator, and Growing Pains (ok that last one was a joke). The only problem is that he was dogsh*t in what is easily his most famous movie, Titanic... but I blame Cameron for that more than DiCaprio. Titanic's strengths were the effects and settings, less so the acting and their direction.

 

[nowayback]

Something I read, If you have a rape fantasy probably do it with someone near your own age, not a 44 year old with checkered history, it wont be and "intro" session . The important thing is . girls be careful , who cares if the guy who did something to you wrong is convicted if you are scarred . BTW until proven otherwise, the worst he did was some rough consensual sex . Its not a crime to be a scumbag. Due process

 

[Bruins29]

The best nugget in this statement is that you are reading articles about Leonardo decaprio...lmao

What a joke..grow the faulk up

Says the biggest pu ss on the site. Yeah, the adults are talking here. Shut the Fuk up

 

[Bruins29]

WTF is your problem? Someone piss in your cornflakes again this morning?

Leonardo DiCaprio is a brilliant, Academy Award winning actor. I am not even remotely ashamed to say I am a fan of many of his works. He was fantastic in such films as Wolf of Wall Street, Django Unchained, Once Upon A Time In Hollywood, Inception, Blood Diamond, The Departed, The Aviator, and Growing Pains (ok that last one was a joke). The only problem is that he was dogsh*t in what is easily his most famous movie, Titanic... but I blame Cameron for that more than DiCaprio. Titanic's strengths were the effects and settings, less so the acting and their direction.

Dont worry about it. There isnt a bigger pu ss lib on this site than Numbskull

Leo is fine. Just because Numbdik cant get laid he is going to hate on anyone that can.

Pitty him...

 

[Kontradiction]

This isn't a red flag...there's many many reasons why they wouldn't report it immediately. This is a good article explaining it

Top 10 Reasons People Do Not Report Sexual Abuse (dlawgroup.com)

The contact after is the only thing that is suspect here. I would like to know more about that. But, it certainly isn't sketchy that they waited to report. That is perfectly normal. Saying otherwise is not understanding the trauma and the process that goes into it. Not trying to attack people in this thread or anything, just hope they are open minded enough to learn and not fall into the trope of thinking a high percentage of women are lying.

In every single high profile instance in which a woman has falsely accused a man of rape/sexual assault, the allegations came long after the encounter and communication kept up after the supposed rape/sexual assault. Not saying that innocent women don’t wait to accuse the man and file charges. I’m just saying that these two things are constants in every single false allegation we have seen. They are at play once again in this case.

 

[JarOfMayo51]

Also, I dont buy the taking advantage of young women. They are adults. They want to play 50 Shades of Grey so it was either Dave or someone else. He diddnt roofie them at a bar or kidnap them.

From my anecdotal experience, the women my rich friends encountered were trying to take advantage of my friends, not the other way around

 

[yukon cornelius]

"Crossed the line" is an incredibly vague term. Your line and my line and his line may be entirely different, so I am not going to debate something so vague. To me, the key question is: did he break the law? This returns me to my statement that people are going to believe whatever they want to believe but no one can intelligently claim at this point it has been proven beyond a reasonable doubt.

Quite honestly, I don't even see how one can argue it has been demonstrated by a preponderance of evidence.

you have someone stating they revoked consent yet he continued.....that's def crossing a line if true, although more than likely not prosecutable

 

[JarOfMayo51]

1) Me too movement was pretty eye opening to me. I've always avoided putting myself in a position in the office

ive even done it to kind of stupid degrees before and realized it afterwards

Was walking up the stairs from lunch at work with 2 male co-workers, and a female co-worker who we knew and got along with was coming down the stairs, so we all basically went as far to the right as possible with our backs to the wall so that we wouldn't make contact with her or touch her in any way.. it probably looked pretty ridiculous to her in hindsight, but we were just trying to be respectful.. but obviously overdoing it

She turned around and was like "Why are you guys doing that?", and one of my cowkerrs just said "We just want to make sure you feel safe", and she just started laughing/cackling at us hysterically as she left out the front of the building to lunch

I'd rather be laughed at for doing that tho than find myself in HR, explaining why I "brushed up against a woman's hip/breast/leg/whatever" or something of that nature