OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

Bucs have void years added onto Chris Godwin's three-year, $60 million deal, so his initial cap number for 2022 is just $5 million.

Just to come back to this tweet -- instead of Godwin taking up $19.2 million in cap space, he will only take up $5 million, so now $14.2 million, which will cover much of previously reported deals for Davis, Jensen, Gage.

Godwin is here for the next three years. When his deal is done, there should be $8 million in dead money on the cap for the 2025 season.

 

[RicoG]

Lenny will be at 5 a year if he's lucky or he'd be gone already. The last FA running back got like 3.5 so give him a 3 year 14mil or less deal and roll with it. Gronk deserves 10mil a year. It's crazy that they can fit all that in but then again the Saints cut down 80 mil in salary without cutting a player so nothing makes sense. By the way, Brady had to be let go because of the 'cap' 2 years ago.

What the Bucs have been doing to try and compete for SBs in Brady's twilight years is the opposite of the Pats business as usual approach. Pats still managed to win a last gasp SB in 2018 but also had a good chance in 2019 if only they didn't leave the offensive cupboard bare for Brady.

 

[RicoG]

I'm sure lenny will get 5 mil per year at least. It's provably the length and guaranteed money holding it up.

 

[Tottie]

What the Bucs have been doing to try and compete for SBs in Brady's twilight years is the opposite of the Pats business as usual approach. Pats still managed to win a last gasp SB in 2018 but also had a good chance in 2019 if only they didn't leave the offensive cupboard bare for Brady.

To be fair the way BB did business for 20 years worked quite well so you can't fault him for believing in it.

 

[Tottie]

I'm sure lenny will get 5 mil per year at least. It's provably the length and guaranteed money holding it up.

I don't think so but he should. Running backs are treated like garbage in this league.

 

[Deus Irae]

Looking at the remaining FAs

QB Gabbert,
RB Fournette,
RB Jones,
RB Bernard,
TE Gronkowski,
OL Wells,
DL Suh,
DL Gholston,
DL McLendon,
DL O'Connor,
OLB Pierre-Paul,
ILB Minter,
CB Desir,
CB Sherman,
S Adams,
LS Triner.

I see Gronk and Fournette as "musts" for the offense, but I don't see the need for a lot of money needing to be spent bringing back the key remaining FA defenders.

 

[gobesmug]

What the Bucs have been doing to try and compete for SBs in Brady's twilight years is the opposite of the Pats business as usual approach. Pats still managed to win a last gasp SB in 2018 but also had a good chance in 2019 if only they didn't leave the offensive cupboard bare for Brady.

They didn't leave the cupboard bare, the cupboard just spoiled during the season when there were limited options.

That offseason they brought back Gordon, added DT but replaced him with an upgrade in AB, and drafted a Wr in the first rd.

They also tried to add Adam Humphries who was to sensitive to go back on his word with the Titans to benefit himself. Bill got lucky there, otherwise it would have been 5 strikes that year.

Just sucks that AB went AB, Gordon smoked his way out, and Bill drafted Harry over literally anyone else in the draft that went after him

 

[VectorPrime]

No one ever say there is a salary cap ever again.

 

[Deus Irae]

Ha. I believe Godwin has a $20 signing bonus, which for cap purposes (thanks to two void years) is $4 million per year. Add in a $1.035 million base salary in 2022 and his cap number if basically $5 million. Now his cap number should be high, like $23.5 million, in 2023 and 2024.

Prime candidate for a cap-lowering restructure next season, as needed.

 

[RicoG]

To be fair the way BB did business for 20 years worked quite well so you can't fault him for believing in it.

Pats were winning SBs with the homeruns drafts and trades from 2010 to 2014 approximately plus Brady. That started drying up in 2015. I saw the writing on the wall (so did Brady I think) that the SB window was closing. It annoyed me that the Pats didn't make a serious effort to upgrade their offense in 2019. What the Bucs are doing, now that is a serious effort.

When the window is closing, you go for it before it's too late, not business as usual. Now Pats have since been and are a middling team that I don't see changing any time soon until BB starts consistently hitting homeruns in the drafts and trades again.

 

[Tottie]

Pats were winning SBs with the homeruns drafts and trades from 2010 to 2014 approximately plus Brady. That started drying up in 2015. I saw the writing on the wall (so did Brady I think) that the SB window was closing. It annoyed me that the Pats didn't make a serious effort to upgrade their offense in 2019. What the Bucs are doing, now that is a serious effort.

When the window is closing, you go for it before it's too late, not business as usual. Now Pats have since been and are a middling team that I don't see changing any time soon until BB starts consistently hitting homeruns in the drafts and trades again.

I don't disagree I was merely stating why you can't blame BB for believing it's good business. We got quotes out of that building a few years ago saying they could win with any decent QB. He'll have to adapt to the new era where teams hit on a QB and then go all in. Slow and steady may have a better record than any single team over the next 10 years (it wont but it could) but it could also yield no division titles and certainly no SBs.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs already have a ton of money committed to the cap in 2023. What will help them is not having very many big free agents next year -- Tom Brady (if he returns again), Lavonte David, Jamel Dean, Sean Murphy-Bunting, Mike Edwards, plus anyone signed to one-year deals now.

 

[RicoG]

They didn't leave the cupboard bare, the cupboard just spoiled during the season when there were limited options.

That offseason they brought back Gordon, added DT but replaced him with an upgrade in AB, and drafted a Wr in the first rd.

They also tried to add Adam Humphries who was to sensitive to go back on his word with the Titans to benefit himself. Bill got lucky there, otherwise it would have been 5 strikes that year.

Just sucks that AB went AB, Gordon smoked his way out, and Bill drafted Harry over literally anyone else in the draft that went after him

That's my point. BB went shopping in the bargain bin and crossing the fingers that it would work out instead of paying a stud WR 20 mil per year.

And drafting a WR in the 1st round is also no guarantee. Probaby half the WRs drafted in the 1st round are duds. It would have been better just to have traded the draft pick for a proven receiver.

 

[skinnydog]

To be fair the way BB did business for 20 years worked quite well so you can't fault him for believing in it.

Yes, 20 years with Brady as QB. We’ll see if it works with Jone instead of Brady. Wanna make a bet on that

 

[skinnydog]

I don't disagree I was merely stating why you can't blame BB for believing it's good business. We got quotes out of that building a few years ago saying they could win with any decent QB. He'll have to adapt to the new era where teams hit on a QB and then go all in. Slow and steady may have a better record than any single team over the next 10 years (it wont but it could) but it could also yield no division titles and certainly no SBs.

Yes, you can blame BB if he really thought that formula would work with any decent QB Instead of a Brady.

 

[Deus Irae]

I think we can safely slot the Bucs in as a top 3 team in the NFC right now. That doesn't take into account their upcoming schedule, and it doesn't adjust for the possibility of Watson ending up on the Saints, but I think it works for the moment.


Now compare that to where you'd slot the Patriots in the AFC, and you've got talk show fodder for weeks.

 

[Deus Irae]

 

[Deus Irae]

Just went through Bucs' current cap with all deals we know of included, and I have their top 51 cap at around $201.5 million -- about $6.7 million under the cap. This isn't accounting for things like draft picks, but they won't sign their deals for months.

(we don't know financials on Perriman yet, but I'm guessing that's really low. I didn't have Stinnie in there because I haven't seen exact numbers but again, less than a million in cap impact)

I'm accounting for Jensen, Davis, Gage, Mason in there, as well as new numbers for Godwin and Brate.

 

[Deus Irae]

Such a cool post from Chris Godwin’s wife, Mariah, on Instagram. “Ruthlessly dedicated” is spot-on.

 

[Guts]

I don't know how anyone dislikes this guy he's a super guy and great teammate.

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