OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

Rick Stroud (@NFLStroud) and DP discuss how much longer Tom Brady will play.

 

[Deus Irae]

If this is true then they probably just put him on IR so another team doesn't claim him.

Tough to do if AB doesn't want it, because of Arians words about him no longer being a Buc.

 

[Guts]

Tough to do if AB doesn't want it, because of Arians words about him no longer being a Buc.

Yeah now that I think about it stepping back Arians made a big mistake saying that. I would of said to the media something along the lines of "we are looking into it and will make a decision" instead of that definite statement

 

[Deus Irae]

File this under "Things that should matter when evaluating QBs for the MVP vote, but pretty much never do":

Brady has six games against teams that rank top-6 in EPA/play against the pass. Rodgers has two games against teams that rank in the top 11

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs have activated receiver Jaelon Darden off the reserve/COVID-19 list. He’d missed the last two games while on there. Now just punter Bradley Pinion remains.

 

[Deus Irae]

The Bucs feel "very optimistic" RB Leonard Fournette will be back for the playoffs, while I was told they feel "hopeful" LB Lavonte David will be ready for the post season, per sources. Both are still on IR.

 

[Deus Irae]

Let’s revisit the Jets 4th & 2 call. My guy @willcolon66 called it a selfish play by Zach Wilson to call his own number and he’s right. NOTHING about the look the defense presented would say the QB sneak was the right move. Wilson tried to win it himself.

 

[Guts]

File this under "Things that should matter when evaluating QBs for the MVP vote, but pretty much never do":

The Interceptions he threw that were either dropped by the receivers or bounced of their hands should be taken into account too. Brady would only have 7 INTs in the year if that was the case since the voters are looking at Rodgers TD:INT ratio

 

[TB12TheGoat]

David would be really important against the Eagles or 49ers

 

[Guts]

David would be really important against the Eagles or 49ers

He's important vs any team. David is extremely underrated. Top 5 LBer in the league easily and a tremendous leader

 

[TB12TheGoat]

The Interceptions he threw that were either dropped by the receivers or bounced of their hands should be taken into account too. Brady would only have 7 INTs in the year if that was the case since the voters are looking at Rodgers TD:INT ratio

they'll just shout blindly "TD/INT ratio! passer rating! team record!" while ignoring any and all context and adanced stats

 

[Guts]

they'll just shout blindly "TD/INT ratio! passer rating! team record!" while ignoring any and all context and adanced stats

They have been saying cause Brady has been throwing the ball more his stats are up due to volume...well doesn't that tell you that the team relies on that QB more than the other? Isn't that what MVP stands for? Brady throws more because he needs to Rodgers running game is way better than Tom's.

 

[Guts]

With that being said that SOB Rodgers is really good at football too.

 

[amfootball]

This is interesting.

One MVP voter says he won't vote for Aaron Rodgers, calling him "the biggest jerk in the league"

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is the favorite to win the league's MVP award.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

 

[Deus Irae]

they'll just shout blindly "TD/INT ratio! passer rating! team record!" while ignoring any and all context and adanced stats

That's the thing. They aren't consistent. It's a narrative argument. They change their preferred methods of determination based upon who they want to win, rather than the other way around. If everything was the same but the names, we would be hearing non-stop about the TDs and passing yards, and "OMG, that comeback against the Jets!".

 

[TB12TheGoat]

They have been saying cause Brady has been throwing the ball more his stats are up due to volume...well doesn't that tell you that the team relies on that QB more than the other? Isn't that what MVP stands for? Brady throws more because he needs to Rodgers running game is way better than Tom's.

yup. Rodgers also is near the top in his guys getting YAC, and also throwing to players with the most seperation. and as people have posted ITT he's played a way easier schedule of defenses.

these voters have no criteria at all. look at the multiple seasons since 2000 where their voting contradicts itself from year to year

 

[TB12TheGoat]

This is interesting.

One MVP voter says he won't vote for Aaron Rodgers, calling him "the biggest jerk in the league"

Packers quarterback Aaron Rodgers is the favorite to win the league's MVP award.

profootballtalk.nbcsports.com

good for him. I hope (but doubt) other voters think this way. not just for that reason though because there are too many reasons to list where Brady is actually the true MVP other than just being an idiot and looking blindly at passer rating and TD/INT ratio

 

[TB12TheGoat]

I was just going through recent MVP voting and saw 2009... lol

Manning 39.5 votes
Brees 7.5 votes
Rivers 2 votes
Favre 1 vote

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I do wonder if the Bucs thinking is:

-AB‘s fit during the game may be complicated by injury, and it might be a mess with the NFLPA.

-If he doesn’t show for practice, he has unequivocally broken a rule, so whatever suspension/release at that point has clear cause and effect.

Or, maybe they are indeed reconsidering.

 

[Deus Irae]

I was just going through recent MVP voting and saw 2009... lol

Manning 39.5 votes
Brees 7.5 votes
Rivers 2 votes
Favre 1 vote

But, to be fair, even though Brees had a higher passer rating, higher TD%, lower INT%, more TDs, a higher completion percentage, and a higher QBR, Manning did go 14-2 compared to Brees' 13-2, and he did have more game winning drives. So, Peyton obviously deserved to win in a landslide.


















Because narrative...