OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[Deus Irae]

Jamel Dean and Jason Pierre-Paul will both play Sunday vs. Dolphins.

S Antoine Winfield Jr, Rob Gronkowski and Pat O’Connor have been ruled out for Sunday’s game.

Bruce Arians says there’s a chance Jamel Dean could start Sunday’s game vs. Miami.

 

[venecol]

Lol make up your mind Rick.

 

[Deus Irae]

Arians also says Gio Bernard looks fine as he returns from his knee injury.

 

[Deus Irae]

Bucs' Antonio Brown needs one catch for 900, and he'll be the fastest to do so, in just 142 games. Who can catch him?
@juliojones_11 has a shot, @Keenan13Allen needs two strong years, and watch @Cantguardmike if he gets back on track. It's all in here:

 

[Tony2046]

I am worried about Herbert.

My God what a mistake the Dolphins made picking Tua over him.

Herbert is going to be a top 5 QB for the next 15 years.

He's better than Lamar. Way better.

Better than Allen.

Mayfield isn't even in the same stratosphere as him.

Other than Mahomes, there's not a QB that can do the things Herbert does.

He's better than Patrick "flash in the pan" Malhomes.

 

[Tony2046]

He doesn't miss time and his play has yet to decline. 32 is pretty young in a league where a 44 year old QB is playing.

Kelce is just bread in the toaster. Soon to be toast.

 

[Tony2046]

Disagree, but I respect your opinion.

The MVP last year was clearly, definitively Patrick Mahomes.

It’s nothing against Allen. Mahomes was just better. He was money is every game in crunch time and led that team, with a questionable defense, to a 14-1 record.

Adjusted Net Yards/Attempt (includes sacks, rushes, TDs, INTs)
Mahomes - 8.83
Allen - 7.82

Huge difference…in fact, different classes.

As for Rodgers…as always he played ****ty in the bigger games and padded the crap out of his stats. That’s just his nature. Want to guess who had both the #1 ranked offensive line and the #1 offense for yards of separation/catch? You betcha…Mr. I Do It Alone, Just Ask Me.

Packers had a cake schedule versus Chiefs brutal schedule. Rodgers had the better defense. Mahomes was the better QB. However, he played to win games whereas Rodgers spent the season doing everything he could to win an individual award.

Your next critique of Rodgers must include something about his hair bun. Good lord, what a whiff on your part.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Your next critique of Rodgers must include something about his hair bun. Good lord, what a whiff on your part.

Rodgers is douche and should play in the CFL.

I get that you‘ve purchased every one of his jerseys and switched to a pointlessly more expensive State Farm plan, but among NFL executives Mahomes won the vote 13-6. But by all means, please pump up the MVP Award he got from the likes of voters like Chris Mortensen (he’s credible), Pete Prisco, Tony Dungy, Bill Polian, and John Clayton.

NFL execs vote on awards: Who's MVP? Coach of the Year?

Tom Pelissero surveys 22 high-ranking executives on MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year and three other top individual honors.

www.nfl.com

 

[Tony2046]

Rodgers is douche and should play in the CFL.

I get that you‘ve purchased every one of his jerseys and switched to a pointlessly more expensive State Farm plan, but among NFL executives Mahomes won the vote 13-6. But by all means, please pump up the MVP Award he got from the likes of voters like Chris Mortensen (he’s credible), Pete Prisco, Tony Dungy, Bill Polian, and John Clayton.

NFL execs vote on awards: Who's MVP? Coach of the Year?

Tom Pelissero surveys 22 high-ranking executives on MVP, Defensive Player of the Year, Coach of the Year and three other top individual honors.

www.nfl.com

Garbage post. Hair bun nowhere to be found.

 

[Deus Irae]

Disagree, but I respect your opinion.

The MVP last year was clearly, definitively Patrick Mahomes.

You misspelled "Tom Brady" who, as a 5 game difference maker for the team he left, and a 4 game difference maker for the team he joined was, beyond even a shadow of a doubt, the MVP of the NFL last season. The only other player who should even had been discussed as a potential alternative was Lamar Jackson, who has his entire team's system built around his particular set of skills.

 

[Tony2046]

You misspelled "Tom Brady" who, as a 5 game difference maker for the team he left, and a 4 game difference maker for the team he joined was, beyond even a shadow of a doubt, the MVP of the NFL last season. The only other player who should even had been discussed as a potential alternative was Lamar Jackson, who has his entire team's system built around his particular set of skills.

If that vote was held after the super bowl Brady would have been the MVP. No doubt.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Garbage post. Hair bun nowhere to be found.

I won’t be baited into that. Some people might even wrongly think I have some irrational anti-Rodgers agenda or something

 

[Deus Irae]

If that vote was held after the super bowl Brady would have been the MVP. No doubt.

The problem is that Tampa's early struggles prevented him from being looked at as he should have been for his entire regular season impact. We've all seen something like this before (suspension season), and it was nonsense then, too.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

The only other player who should even had been discussed as a potential alternative was Lamar Jackson, who has his entire team's system built around his particular set of skills.

Buddy…whoever you are, I’m alerting authorities that you’ve stolen Deus’s identity.

 

[Tony2046]

The problem is that Tampa's early struggles prevented him from being looked at as he should have been for his entire regular season impact. We've all seen something like this before (suspension season), and it was nonsense then, too.

Commentators:. " Tom Brady just did the impossible"

MVP voters:. "yeah but ...."

 

[Deus Irae]

Buddy…whoever you are, I’m alerting authorities that you’ve stolen Deus’s identity.

I've always hated the MVP award, because they're are no real rules for it. In the NBA, it becomes the "best player" award. In the NFL, it becomes the "quarterback with the narrative the media most feels like pushing" award. I want the MVP awards to be about a player's value to his team, not his value to the media.

Jackson isn't a top QB, but his coach/front office has created a team that is built completely around him, and that couldn't work with any other player in the world. From a pure "valuable to his team" standpoint, Jackson will belong in the conversation until age or injury catches up to him, at least in years where his team is a viable playoff team.

 

[Deus Irae]

Commentators:. " Tom Brady just did the impossible"

MVP voters:. "yeah but ...."

Exactly.

 

[carmelo15]

Your next critique of Rodgers must include something about his hair bun. Good lord, what a whiff on your part.

Nothing he said was wrong about Rodgers

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

Lamar Jackson, who has his entire team's system built around his particular set of skills.

Lamar Jackson in 2025, during his phone screen with the Edmonton Elks.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I've always hated the MVP award, because they're are no real rules for it. In the NBA, it becomes the "best player" award. In the NFL, it becomes the "quarterback with the narrative the media most feels like pushing" award. I want the MVP awards to be about a player's value to his team, not his value to the media.

Jackson isn't a top QB, but his coach/front office has created a team that is built completely around him, and that couldn't work with any other player in the world. From a pure "valuable to his team" standpoint, Jackson will belong in the conversation until age or injury catches up to him, at least in years where his team is a viable playoff team.

All good points. The MVP is ridiculous because it can only be won by a QB barring an absurdly good season by a RB. Peyton likely would have won MVP if he did the exact same thing in Tampa. And it often does come down to out of context stats. Final three weeks: Mahomes dinks around because he’s already played so well the team clinched the #1 seed..he doesn’t even play the last game at all. Rodgers, who has not played as well (and was well behind Mahomes in the MVP running at the time Mahomes coasted), throws 8 TDs in his last two games, on his orchestrated MVP campaign. Recency bias, narrative, stat worship…just overall a joke of a process.

I’m just giving you a hard time about Jackson..lol…I understand what you mean.