OT: Official 2021 Tompa Bay Gronkaneers Thread

[sb1]

That’s why I said let’s compare their QB ratings in their fist four super bowl appearances to even it out and you laughed….

Because you're cherry picking what you want to fit your argument.

I can do that too.

Montana has never qualified for a Super Bowl on a team with a defense that finished both out of the top 8 in points and top 10 in yards.

Brady has. 6 times. In fact he qualified for the Super Bowl 4 times with a defense ranked in the bottom 10 in yards. Despite having a head coach with a reputation as a defensive savant.

In 3 out of Montana's 4 Super Bowls he had the luxury of a defense that was never worse than top 3 in points and top 4 in yards. Brady wouldn't have lost a SB game if he had the same luxury.

 

[PatsWSB47]

Not sure who you're arguing with but, if they're trying to argue G.O.A.T. status of Montana over Brady based upon 4 SB appearances, they're either completely dishonest or absolutely clueless about sports.

ROBPARKER10, I mean MAC10, formerly TommyBrady12.....the guy who had a picture of Brady lying on the ground, sacked in a Superbowl loss for his signiture. The guy who has mocked Brady for 2 plus years here and to this day refused to explain why. If the Jeopardy game had a "Brady negative stat" category, he would chime in first with every clue and be the all time Jeopary champion. The guy who come here all the time now to pretend to have an "intellectual", unbiased discussion.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Montana has never qualified for a Super Bowl on a team with a defense that finished both out of the top 8 in points and top 10 in yards. In 3 out of Montana's 4 Super Bowls he had the luxury of a defense that was never worse than top 3 in points and top 4 in yards.

Brady has. 6 times. In fact he qualified for the Super Bowl 4 times with a defense ranked in the bottom 10 in yards. Despite having a head coach with a reputation as a defensive savant.

Your argument would be stronger if Montana's defenses carried him in the super bowl but they didn't. Every super bowl Montana played in he and his offense showed up - in fact he doesn't have a passer rating lower than 100 in any super bowl. Besides, Montana had a much tougher task getting to the super bowl against powerhouse teams of the 80s like the Bears, Giants, and Redskins. Not much competition in the AFC for Brady besides Manning.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

ROBPARKER10, I mean MAC10, formerly TommyBrady12.....the guy who had a picture of Brady lying on the ground, sacked in a Superbowl loss for his signiture. The guy who has mocked Brady for 2 plus years here and to this day refused to explain why. If the Jeopardy game had a "Brady negative stat" category, he would chime in first with every clue and be the all time Jeopary champion. The guy who come here all the time now to pretend to have an "intellectual", unbiased discussion.

Well, I am sorry to have this discussion but SB1 tagged me and started arguing with me out of the blue. He could have had this discussion in the other Montana/Brady thread but I suspect he put it in here in order for you and the rest of the goon squad to show up.

 

[sb1]

Your argument would be stronger if Montana's defenses carried him in the super bowl but they didn't. Every super bowl Montana played in he and his offense showed up - in fact he doesn't have a passer rating lower than 100 in any super bowl. Besides, Montana had a much tougher task getting to the super bowl against powerhouse teams of the 80s like the Bears, Giants, and Redskins. Not much competition in the AFC for Brady besides Manning.

That's moot since Montana's defenses allowed a tick above 14 points per Super Bowl game so even an average game by Montana would have probably been more than enough. Must be nice to have that luxury.

Brady's defenses allowed about 21 per Super Bowl game. Other than SB53 which was a defensive game those wins turn into losses if Brady wasn't great.

While it's true there were a lot of dominant NFC teams in Montana's day it's also true it's also true that out of Brady's 7 Super Bowl wins not one of them was a tomato can like Manning got to play in 06. They were all really great teams on at least one side of the ball or both. Some were historically great like the GSOT and the Seahawks and the Chiefs were no slouches themselves. The AFC in Montana's day was clearly the inferior conference. There's no such thing today.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

That's moot since Montana's defenses allowed a tick above 14 points per Super Bowl game so even an average game by Montana would have probably been more than enough. Must be nice to have that luxury.

Brady's defenses allowed about 21 per Super Bowl game. Other than SB53 which was a defensive game those wins turn into losses if Brady wasn't great.

While it's true there were a lot of dominant NFC teams in Montana's day it's also true it's also true that out of Brady's 7 Super Bowl wins not one of them was a tomato can like Manning got to play in 06. They were all really great teams on at least one side of the ball or both. Some were historically great like the GSOT and the Seahawks and the Chiefs were no slouches themselves. The AFC in Montana's day was clearly the inferior conference. There's no such thing today.

But the point is Montana didn't barely win most of his super bowls. 3 of his super bowls were blowouts, including the first one against Cincinnati when the Bengals scored with 2 seconds left in the 4th to make it look a lot closer than it was. Your point would be much stronger if Montana barely won his super bowls and merely rode strong defense. And it took Brady 10 super bowl appearances to even blow out one opponent...and that was in a Bucs uniform. All other super bowls he won was by a single score.

 

[Deus Irae]

That's moot since Montana's defenses allowed a tick above 14 points per Super Bowl game so even an average game by Montana would have probably been more than enough. Must be nice to have that luxury.

Brady's defenses allowed about 21 per Super Bowl game. Other than SB53 which was a defensive game those wins turn into losses if Brady wasn't great.

While it's true there were a lot of dominant NFC teams in Montana's day it's also true it's also true that out of Brady's 7 Super Bowl wins not one of them was a tomato can like Manning got to play in 06. They were all really great teams on at least one side of the ball or both. Some were historically great like the GSOT and the Seahawks and the Chiefs were no slouches themselves. The AFC in Montana's day was clearly the inferior conference. There's no such thing today.

Of the 3 QBs with 4 SB wins, Montana has the lowest playoff win %, and Brady the highest, despite Brady clearly having the weakest overall teams of the 3.

Montana also had the most playoff one-and-done performances.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Montana also had the most playoff one-and-done performances.

@Deus Irae Tommy is not too far behind at 3 with one-and-dones. And if the Patriots had the "weakest" teams of the 49ers, Patriots, and Steelers, then the Pats can't be the greatest dynasty in NFL history because, by your own admission, they were the weakest of that group.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

@Deus Irae Tommy is not too far behind at 3 with one-and-dones. And if the Patriots had the "weakest" teams of the 49ers, Patriots, and Steelers, then the Pats can't be the greatest dynasty in NFL history because, by your own admission, they were the weakest of that group.

Your mom was better at circle jerking the 80s Niners than the dynasty Patriots. I'll give you that.

It's too bad for all of us your father was actually an inbred hillbilly she banged on a tractor three days before her Niners gangbang. You could have been the son of a football player and not an obese, desperate loser about to keel over from obsessive incel rage.

 

[gobesmug]

How am I a troll? SB1 was the one who brought up Montana in this thread.

In conference championship games:

Montana (as a Niner) - 119.4

Brady (as a Patriot) - 86.1

Nice lie troll.

Joe Montana had a 98 rating playing for the 49ers, a 90.8 rating in all conference championship games.

His conference championship game record is 4-3.

Montana's career playoff passer rating is a 93.

All very impressive and Montana definitely deserves to be recognized as the 2nd best QB in the superbowl Era.

Brady being 10-4 in championship games outclasses Montana.

Also Montana's stats significantly dropped when he stopped playing behind an all pro online, which was allowed and did chop blocks, and had the GOAT Wr, to go along with a great RB. It was also a team that didn't have to lose elite players due to salary cap issues.

Montana is the 2nd best, but the 49ers had Walsh who created the west coast offense and is one of the GOAT HC and talent evaluator. He didn't look at combine numbers and 40 times like Belicheck does at Wr, because he drafted the slow Jerry Rice. Belicheck would have passed over Rice because he didn't check the measurables.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Nice lie troll.

Joe Montana had a 98 rating playing for the 49ers, a 90.8 rating in all conference championship games.

Not according to this...

Joe Montana Nfc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana games

www.statmuse.com

and this...

Joe Montana Playoff Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 95.6 with 5,772 yards, 45 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in 23 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

 

[gobesmug]

Not according to this...

Joe Montana Nfc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana games

www.statmuse.com

and this...

Joe Montana Playoff Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 95.6 with 5,772 yards, 45 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in 23 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Joe Montana Career Nfc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 98.0 with 1,606 yards, 13 touchdowns and 6 interceptions in 6 games in NFC championships in his career.

www.statmuse.com

98.0 rating per the same reference

 

[gobesmug]

Not according to this...

Joe Montana Nfc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana games

www.statmuse.com

and this...

Joe Montana Playoff Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 95.6 with 5,772 yards, 45 touchdowns and 21 interceptions in 23 games in the playoffs in his career.

www.statmuse.com

Joe Montana Career Afc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 39.2 with 125 yards and 1 interception in 1 game in AFC championships in his career.

www.statmuse.com

This is also his amazing performance without having the GOAT Wr, GOAT Offensive minded HC, and a GOAT online.

39.2 rating

Brady’s worse was a 56.2

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Joe Montana Career Afc Championship Game Stats | StatMuse

Joe Montana had a passer rating of 39.2 with 125 yards and 1 interception in 1 game in AFC championships in his career.

www.statmuse.com

This is also his amazing performance without having the GOAT Wr, GOAT Offensive minded HC, and a GOAT online.

39.2 rating

Brady’s worse was a 56.2

Montana was knocked out of that AFCCG game early. It wasn't a great performance but he was beat up at that point in his career and who knows if he could have had a higher QB rating in that game if he didn't get hurt

And He won 2 Super Bowls without the GOAT WR

 

[gobesmug]

Um, Montana was knocked out of that AFCCG game early

And He won 2 Super Bowls without the GOAT WR

Getting knocked out early saved an even worse performance

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Getting knocked out early saved an even worse performance

You don't know that.. even one more touchdown would have probably put his QB rating back into the 50s. He missed pretty much the entire second half of that game.

 

[TheRainMaker]

ROBPARKER10, I mean MAC10, formerly TommyBrady12.....the guy who had a picture of Brady lying on the ground, sacked in a Superbowl loss for his signiture.

Yeah I'd like to know the thought process behind that signature as well. Not only was it the Super Bowl, but was Super Bowl 42. That signature was pic of the most back breaking losses as a Pats fan.

 

[gobesmug]

You don't know that.. even one more touchdown would have probably put his QB rating back into the 50s. He missed pretty much the entire second half of that game.

Getting "knocked out" was a good excuse for him to end the embarrassment.

Without the GOAT Offensive minded HC he was nothing

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Without the GOAT Offensive minded HC he was nothing

Like in SB 24 when he demolished the Broncos in the greatest super bowl blowout ever and George seifert (a defensive-minded coach) was his HC? BTW in that game he was pulled after leading 55-10 at the beginning of the 4th quarter. If he played the whole game, he could have put a 70 burger on Elway and co lol.

 

[gobesmug]

Like in SB 24 when he demolished the Broncos in the greatest super bowl blowout ever and George seifert (a defensive-minded coach) was his HC? BTW in that game he was pulled after leading 55-10 at the beginning of the 4th quarter. If he played the whole game, he could have put a 70 burger on Elway and co lol.

Like in SB 24 when he demolished the Broncos in the greatest super bowl blowout ever and George seifert (a defensive-minded coach) was his HC? BTW in that game he was pulled after leading 55-10 at the beginning of the 4th quarter. If he played the whole game, he could have puburger on Elway and co lol.

That only further proves the point. That 49ers offense was still designed, and rostered by Walsh. Walsh was only a year removed.