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It's fair to say that not all truly great players do it, for various reasons. It's not fair to say that none do it.
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It's fair to say that not all truly great players do it, for various reasons. It's not fair to say that none do it.
An amazing player can be what puts a team over the top, But football isn’t like most of the other sports. A great pitcher could play on any team and win a game. A great goalie can take a marginal team and make them winners. Basketball is just 5 guys, a great player can take them anywhere. But in football even the best qb has to rely on his line and his receivers and his running backs, plus the defense and special teams which he has no part of.
Not really. You said something kind of casual, especially concerning football and didn't refute anything I said.
How many players, by themselves are turning the Lions into a winner after a half century of disaster? We going to pretend they've never had great players?
How many great players, by themselves have turned a loser into a winner in football?
Now you're just playing word games, and badly. Brady is always going to be there to prove your position wrong, so I'm not going to waste time pointing out the many others. When you try to use the "other players are different, too" argument, you essentially take yourself out of the argument completely. After all, all it takes is one scrub at the bottom of the roster changing...
Great post, agree 100%, and you said it way more eloquently and in detail than I did. One thing I think Jones has over Allen and Murray as a rookie, is I think he is more NFL ready than they were coming in as rookies. That includes the thought process of the quarterback position. He processes info faster than most rookie QBs, I read he had the 2nd fastest release of all QBs in the preseason, at 2.67 seconds (not sure who #1 is). I’m talking second fastest release of ALL QBs, not rookies.I did too (scream "Yes!" in delight). I watched Mac closely all of last year, and I also think he is the perfect choice for the Pats. My reasons are similar to yours. He has had similar coaches in Saban, and is completely comfortable with very hard coaching (and even welcomes it), even before Saban (his high school coach was the high school version of Saban). Very, very smart and studious. Great feet and feel in the pocket. Definitely plays best in the biggest games. Good release. Throws a very catchable ball and great accuracy, especially with the long ball. Great leader in the huddle. He is always laughing and joking with teammates, which masks the fact that he is absolutely hyper-competitive (he famously butted heads with Saban as Scout Team QB by throwing the ball in the stands when he was supposed to purposely throw interceptions for DB practice, and by bootlegging touchdowns when the play was a standard practice running play).
However, IMHO Mac wouldn't fit in everywhere. His strength is somewhat his weakness, he is simply not very improvisational, everything he does is planned out to a "t" to exactly follow the game plan and minimize mistakes or interceptions, that is why his style (not his competence or talent of course) is so much like Brady's style (which Brady, with his tremendous gifts, used to become the GOAT). That is why I think he fits the Pats so well, they are used to a "follow the game plan", mistake-free QB instead of the type of improvisational QB which seems to be the current rage in the NFL who makes something out of nothing with their legs (think: Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Allen, Wilson, Mayfield, and now rookies like Justin Fields). These improvisational QBs can make something out of nothing but often at the risk of turnovers.
Even though I think Mac is perfect for the Pats, his style is why I think he shouldn't be rushed. QBs like Josh Allen and Kyler Murray clearly didn't know what they were doing as rookies but they could bail a play out with their legs. Mac won't be able to do that, IMHO he will need to completely understand the offense in order to be a productive QB, hopefully he will able to do that fairly early in his rookie season.
If you think Mac doesn't improvise then you haven't been watching the pre season. The guy had had several plays where he improved his way out of a sack. Hes def more mobile than TB12.I did too (scream "Yes!" in delight). I watched Mac closely all of last year, and I also think he is the perfect choice for the Pats. My reasons are similar to yours. He has had similar coaches in Saban, and is completely comfortable with very hard coaching (and even welcomes it), even before Saban (his high school coach was the high school version of Saban). Very, very smart and studious. Great feet and feel in the pocket. Definitely plays best in the biggest games. Good release. Throws a very catchable ball and great accuracy, especially with the long ball. Great leader in the huddle. He is always laughing and joking with teammates, which masks the fact that he is absolutely hyper-competitive (he famously butted heads with Saban as Scout Team QB by throwing the ball in the stands when he was supposed to purposely throw interceptions for DB practice, and by bootlegging touchdowns when the play was a standard practice running play).
However, IMHO Mac wouldn't fit in everywhere. His strength is somewhat his weakness, he is simply not very improvisational, everything he does is planned out to a "t" to exactly follow the game plan and minimize mistakes or interceptions, that is why his style (not his competence or talent of course) is so much like Brady's style (which Brady, with his tremendous gifts, used to become the GOAT). That is why I think he fits the Pats so well, they are used to a "follow the game plan", mistake-free QB instead of the type of improvisational QB which seems to be the current rage in the NFL who makes something out of nothing with their legs (think: Mahomes, Jackson, Watson, Allen, Wilson, Mayfield, and now rookies like Justin Fields). These improvisational QBs can make something out of nothing but often at the risk of turnovers.
Even though I think Mac is perfect for the Pats, his style is why I think he shouldn't be rushed. QBs like Josh Allen and Kyler Murray clearly didn't know what they were doing as rookies but they could bail a play out with their legs. Mac won't be able to do that, IMHO he will need to completely understand the offense in order to be a productive QB, hopefully he will able to do that fairly early in his rookie season.
NBA? Absolutely.
You can't win without a team in any of the major team sports. That's why they're called team sports. That's also why people who try the "But you need other players..." are being completely dishonest in these discussions. Jordan never won the title without Pippen, after all.
Brady didn’t win two years ago. This is a really stupid argument
Not in relation to win/losses. Does anyone think Corey Dillon, AJ Green or Joe Mixon’s problem wasn’t playing in Cincinnati?
Brady played on one of the best most talented teams for the last twenty years, he went to a handpicked all star team and brought all his talented friends in 2020… agreed, it’s a stupid argument.
Truth bomb.
Gretzky. Though not an Oiler’s fan, I was amazed by Gretzky, and a big fan of his. Not only transcended the team, he changed the sport of hockey. Granted, by the time he won the Cup, he probably had the most talented group of teammates ever (maybe the 1970s Canadiens). So many Hall of Famers on his team. But, until Brady, I felt Gretzky was the greatest player in team sports history. There’s a reason why there’s a 99 in my name.
How many years in a row did the Pats go with Brady as QB and not win SBs?
The Chiefs had always been regular season champs. They had not won a Super Bowl in almost 50 years. They had 1 post season win in 25 years. That is not great to me. The Bengals won lots of regular season games too.
