*** OFFICIALLY UNOFFICIAL **** Patriots @ Cardinals Post-Game Thread

[QuantumMechanic]

 

[mgteich]

- Given that they basically spun the wheel of fortune to pick tonight's offensive linemen, and OL play is all about continuity, that was better than we had any right to expect -- and the makeshift line only makes JG's composure all the more impressive.

We played a 6 man OL. Bennett was critically awesome! Derby even had a key block or two. And, of course, Develin had some reps.

 

[Kdo5]

He ran hard, when he had the ball. That's the difference from before. He was always a good receiver.

Right yet there was some talk that he might be cut, which I never understood. I was of the belief that he had established himself as a reliable pass catcher to fill in for Dion Lewis. That was enough to earn him a spot given the plays he made toward the end of last season.

 

[Joker]

I'm sorta torn after this big Patriot win...but I'm gonna have to say Cruz and Kanye are safe...

 

[ViperGTS]

I sat here a few days ago telling people the Cardinals will and can poo on themselves at a moments notice. They should not have lost to this team in its current state offensively.

Yet no one listened. Funny.

 

[patsinthesnow]

Justin Coleman also had a heck of a game. PFF graded him as the 3rd best CB of the week (big grain of salt of course).

 

[Deus Irae]

I sat here a few days ago telling people the Cardinals will and can poo on themselves at a moments notice. They should not have lost to this team in its current state offensively.

Yet no one listened. Funny.

Your argument sucked then. Your argument sucks now.

 

[Brady_to_Moss]

Have to be up in 5 hours...still hyped off of that win..oh well!

 

[ViperGTS]

Your argument sucked then. Your argument sucks now.

Your obvious self righteousness has no place in reality.

You don't live here. I repeat. You don't live in AZ. I do. I talk to fans.

If my argument isn't valid, then a majority of AZ fans' arguments or viewpoints are wrong as well. My Facebook is filled with the same old thing. Coulda, would, shoulda but why couldn't they? Same old same old.

So stop. You are making yourself look foolish.

 

[Deus Irae]

Your obvious self righteousness has no place in reality.

You don't live here. I repeat. You don't live in AZ. I do. I talk to fans.

If my argument isn't valid, then a majority of AZ fans' arguments or viewpoints are wrong as well. My Facebook is filled with the same old thing. Coulda, would, shoulda but why couldn't they? Same old same old.

So stop. You are making yourself look foolish.

Self righteousness has nothing to do with it. Your argument was total garbage. That you gloated about it afterwards is embarrassing for you. Every team loses games. As was demonstrated to you, under your logic, the Patriots were every bit as capable of losing games,as the Cardinals, over the course of the past two seasons, and thus were no more deserving of a "good/great/elite" tag than were the Cardinals.

 

[ViperGTS]

Self righteousness has nothing to do with it. Your argument was total garbage. Every team loses games. That you gloated about it afterwards is embarrassing for you.

Stop deflecting. I'm not gloating. I'm speaking. The truth. It may not align with your holier than thou persona, but that doesn't make it incorrect.

I can't speak to this for any other team. I can for this one. I'm more qualified than you I would have to say, to form an opinion based upon people who actually live here and discuss the team. Then again, I assume you just be smarter and more informed than myself or them.

I highly doubt that's the case.

 

[ViperGTS]

Larry Fitzs' dad on TV just said he's NOT retiring and he wants to win a title.

Too bad BB can't get him here.

 

[Deus Irae]

Stop deflecting. I'm not gloating. I'm speaking. The truth. It may not align with your holier than thou persona, but that doesn't make it incorrect.

I can't speak to this for any other team. I can for this one. I'm more qualified than you I would have to say, to form an opinion based upon people who actually live here and discuss the team. Then again, I assume you just be smarter and more informed than myself or them.

I highly doubt that's the case.

I'm not deflecting anything. It's just the reality of the situation. I'll add in the defending champion Denver Broncos:

The Cardinals have the same record as the Patriots and Broncos over the past 2 regular seasons, with no more losses against sub .500 teams during that time.

Broncos: 24-8, with two losses to sub .500 teams
Patriots: 24-8, with two losses to sub .500 teams
Cardinals: 24-8, with two losses to sub .500 teams

 

[AzPatsFan]

Some quick thoughts.

#1 Jimmy G. A Very good first start. He did everything you could have expected. He made a few mistakes but made some very clutch plays and was active in making this a win and was not carried to the win clearly. He seemed cool, calm and collection for the most part and all but at 1 point seemed completely aware of the situation he was in at any given time. He still has issues at times calling coverages out and blitzers but that is to be expected. Overall He looked like an above average NFL Starting QB tonight.

#2 WRs - I did not expect much form this group and thought it be more of a TE/RB game but they were called on a lot and came though. The ran good routes and got open. Hogan and Edelman were constantly called upon and though Mitchell and Amendola only got spot chances to make an impact when called upon they tended to answer and made big time clutch plays. No drops tonight. Maybe catches that could have been made but i don't recall 1 clear drop.

#3 OL - It was not good but not horrible. Obviously they had their hand held a lot and at times looked awful but also had good stretches. Andrews besides 1 horrible wiff played pretty well. Thuney was the best OL on the feild I think. Cannon actually was pretty damn solid. Flemming needed baby sitting as one would expect and Mason couldn't do much. How much his injury factors in remains to be seen.

#4 TE - Derby made 1 huge mistake and is mostly responsible for 1 turnover and was not let back in the game much after that. Bennett had a great game that did not show up on the stat sheet much but showed solid hands and managed to fall foward and get a clutch first down and was an A+ in blocking tonight.

#5 RB -White was insane tonight. Also picked up a 3rd and 4 running to. Blount had a good game I think and though he didn't do much late the OL didn't allow much to happen late. Overall a mixed bag but a good game and I don't blame him for the fumble. I think that was pretty forced and it be hard for any back to hold on to it. Tip your hat on a good play.

#6 DL - This unit was a mixed bag. Overall they were only okay. They shined at times but also had times when nothing could be accomplished. Overall they did well stopping the run besides one missed tackle by Valentine that Johnson got out of. The pass rush was pretty decent but not usually timely except the Chris Long sack that saved 3 points.

#7 LBs - Collins and Hightower were not really let loose to do too much which was surprising. They did their job well and the few times they were asked to make plays they did. Overall a good game by both.

#8 DBs - This unit seemed pretty weak this game. Some missed chances for a turnover and they seemed to not be able to make too many plays when needed. A few clutch plays happened but overall the Card WRs had the better of it clearly.

#9 STs - This unit was very very good. The Pats dominated this phase mostly with the worst play being a short punt and the best being Jonathan Jones in the returners face on a booming punt to pin them back.

#10 Coaching - The coaching at times was brilliant and at times was too conservative and passive. Overall I can't criticize too much cause i felt there was some REALLY great calls made but clearly this was one of the points that kept AZ in it the most as it only takes a few mistakes or bad moments to lose a whole lot of what you gained by many positive calls.

I beg to differ on the DBs. The excellent Cards WRs never had a wide open clean catch. Even when passes were completed, a DB was there to make an immediate hit. I thought they played very well.

 

[thecore762]

We played a 6 man OL. Bennett was critically awesome! Derby even had a key block or two. And, of course, Develin had some reps.

That holding call on Bennett on the critical down was ********. Refs in this league are a joke.

 

[Husse]

I am repurposing this song:

 

[jmt57]

 

[DaBruinz]

We need to take care of the ball. We were -2 and needed to rely on a missed field goal.

Yes, because, got forbid the other team make a good play, which is exactly what happened on the Blount fumble.

 

[DaBruinz]

Right yet there was some talk that he might be cut, which I never understood. I was of the belief that he had established himself as a reliable pass catcher to fill in for Dion Lewis. That was enough to earn him a spot given the plays he made toward the end of last season.

The issue with White in pre-season was his pass blocking. He and Bolden both missed critical blitz pick-ups that led to sacks.

 

[DaBruinz]

That holding call on Bennett on the critical down was ********. Refs in this league are a joke.

Patfanken mentioned the refs as well. This is what I saw..

- When Ted Karras was called for holding, his head was being jacked backwards by the DT who had a hand full of facemask. I counted 2 other times that AZ defensive line had hands full of mask and weren't called. Illegal hands to the face by the D-line is supposed to be a penalty.. Was a major point of emphasis last season.

- A perfect example of holding called one way and not the other was in the 4th quarter when Bennett was called for a hold on the 3rd down pass to Edelman. Fast forward to David Johnson's great run. Jermaine Gresham did almost the exact same thing to Sheard that Bennett had done to the AZ DE (not sure if it was Jones or someone else) . Gresham didn't get called.

On a different note.. It really looked like Valentine lost his hold on Johnson because 2 other Patriots fell on him causing him to lose his grip on Johnson..