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Except the OC who is top notch. Btw, his name is Josh McDaniels.BB is surrounded by a bad staff.
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Well it's either that, or he made a really bad decision as a coach to attempt the FG, for reasons discussed in the other topic.
They are rebuilding. This year isn't about winning a championship it's about finding out who you have in your new rookie QB and the new pieces on the team. Instead of taking the low percentage FG attempt tell your rookie QB to go for it and see what he has? It's 4th and 3 not 4th and 10. That defense was reeling. I know Brady would have gone for it and made it if he was here. I think Mac would have made it too.
I haven’t been on the other topic. Honestly, the board has gone downhill so badly I’m not spending much time on here anymore, and I’m being very picky about what threads I follow and the posts I’ll engage with. The pissing and moaning and negativism are neither attractive nor a good use of my time. I’m hoping things will improve as the Brady butthurt heals and the rebuilt team starts to gel. But we’ll see.I understood the logic behind the 4th and 2 call at least. That was defensible. This IMO wasn't. I won't rehash it here, it was discussed in the other topic.
Except it wasn't a fumble at the 1/4 yard line. The ball didn't come out until after he crossed the plane. How do I know this? Because the Texans player had half his body in the endzone when he threw the punch to knock the ball loose.On the spectrum of "gift-wrapping" wins, where does 'fumbling away the ball at your opponent's 1/4 yard-line', fall?
You left out another big reason:I wouldn't say the Bucs qualify as a "bad" team. Nor are the Saints. I don't even think the Dolphins are truly "bad", but they're not great.
Houston and NYJ are the two legitimately "bad" teams the Pats have played.
They effectively blew out NYJ.
As for today, yeah, it was ugly, but I'll take it for several reasons.
1. The Texans played above their average, especially in the 1st half (they regressed to the mean in the 2nd half, at least offensively).
2. This was a game ripe for a letdown. Road, low energy crowd, coming off an emotional, tough loss in a high visibility game. If you were drawing up a scenario for a letdown, that'd be it.
3. They won despite continuing to make the same costly mistakes that they've been making; penalties, turnovers. -1 turnover differential for the game, and the Harris fumble was effectively the equivalent of a pick-6. It's not often that you win games when you lose the turnover battle and give-up a 7 point swing on a single play, but the Pats managed to do it today.
If Brady was here they would have gone for it, no doubt at all. And he makes it too.
I guess the Brady scenario is hypothetical and moot anyway - if he's here then obviously he's not there and 50 seconds and 2 TO's and worrying about Jameis Winston is a lot different than worrying about Brady. Then I think taking the kick would make more sense but as it was, I think it was the wrong call.Problem with going for it and failing is the potential that it undermines the confidence of your youenng QB. I personally don’t think he’s that fragile, but I do think it’s a risk to consider. Remember that a big part of what you have in your rookie QB is potential, you don’t want to spoil it.
Thing is, I don’t know what the scouting info on TB indicated they’d do against whatever the Pats called. Mac has been good but I’d have more confidence in Brady to see a bad matchup and respond appropriately. Nothing about relative talent, more about relative maturity. And it’s the game on the line, that’s where the risk evaluation of going for it vs kicking is so important.
I haven’t been on the other topic. Honestly, the board has gone downhill so badly I’m not spending much time on here anymore, and I’m being very picky about what threads I follow and the posts I’ll engage with. The pissing and moaning and negativism are neither attractive nor a good use of my time. I’m hoping things will improve as the Brady butthurt heals and the rebuilt team starts to gel. But we’ll see.
McDaniels is above average. He's not "top notch". Otherwise the personnel on the field during the Red Zone instances the last two years would have been been your taller receivers and TEs. There's a reason people have taken McDaniels' to task about the play-calling. It's not been great in those instances.Except the OC who is top notch. Btw, his name is Josh McDaniels.
oh god. all the posters liking the post know nothing about that game. Probably didn’t even start watching the Patriots then lol
that game featured a prime Terry Glenn (who is 100x more talented than any wide receiver this Patriots team has) going off
brady also threw a few 30-40 yard DIMES that I haven’t even seen mac attempt to throw one time
Can Mac throw the ball downfield? Why are the Patriots coaches scared
Except the OC who is top notch. Btw, his name is Josh McDaniels.
Agreed but point is, if BB decided to kick because he doesn't trust Mac in that spot then what good does that do for the QB? If he fails, big deal, he will learn for next time he's in that spot. We are rebuilding, this is not a playoff worthy team at this stage of the rebuild so individual wins and losses don't mean as much to me in the bigger picture.What does this even mean? If Brady were here, they would have gone for it? So who's the QB on the other side then for Tampa, Winston? If that's the case the decision to kick or go for it is irrelevant.
I’d rather win games than test the character of our rookie QB.Yes it could. But why not give him that opportunity. What bugs me is some people people think Mac is so fragile and weak he can't handle failing in that spot so we can't put him in that situation. I'd like to know whether that's the case for our first round draft pick QB a lot sooner than later.
FIFYAs for today, yeah, it was ugly, but I'll take it for several reasons.
1. The Texans played above their average, especially in the 1st half (they regressed to the mean in the 2nd half, at least offensively).
2. This was a game ripe for a letdown. Road, low NRG crowd, coming off an emotional, tough loss in a high visibility game. If you were drawing up a scenario for a letdown, that'd be it.
3. They won despite continuing to make the same costly mistakes that they've been making; penalties, turnovers. -1 turnover differential for the game, and the Harris fumble was effectively the equivalent of a pick-6. It's not often that you win games when you lose the turnover battle and give-up a 7 point swing on a single play, but the Pats managed to do it today.
Why so sensitive? All I said was it will be interesting to see how our secondary performs against DAL & LAC given that a HOU team that ranked in the bottom of the league was able to do this.
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Sorry I dared to express concern. Maybe everything is just fine and I'm just a delusional fan.
Sounds like you are the one who doesn’t know what happened on that game. Brady’s longest pass was 26 years.oh god. all the posters liking the post know nothing about that game. Probably didn’t even start watching the Patriots then lol
that game featured a prime Terry Glenn (who is 100x more talented than any wide receiver this Patriots team has) going off
brady also threw a few 30-40 yard DIMES that I haven’t even seen mac attempt to throw one time
Can Mac throw the ball downfield? Why are the Patriots coaches scared
Agreed but point is, if BB decided to kick because he doesn't trust Mac in that spot then what good does that do for the QB? If he fails, big deal, he will learn for next time he's in that spot. We are rebuilding, this is not a playoff worthy team at this stage of the rebuild so individual wins and losses don't mean as much to me in the bigger picture.
In fact, with the exception of his 3 int game, he's put the Pats in position to win 2 of the 3 losses. Which is what you want out of your QB.
Bottom 3? Lying again huh?You mean the oc who has run a bottom3 NFL patriot offense since 2019? Or the one who was fired after St Louis'11 (worst offense in the league) or was it the one fired from Denver'10 (lost 16 of 22 games).
Have you ever looked at the performance of teams McDaniels has coached without Tom Brady?Except the OC who is top notch. Btw, his name is Josh McDaniels.