Official Post Game Thread- Pats beat the Giants

[Ras-IR Dowling]

Brady had 7 carries for 6 yards ... seems weird typing it.

Oh and 2 TD's

Seems like a Jerome Bettis stat line late in his career.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

*ROFLMAO* You accuse @shmessy of a "(fallacious) argument" then post that list as some kind of support for your stance? That list is nothing but a red herring. A majority of those players came to the team long before the season started.

Of those players, only Van Noy, Bennett, and Gordon joined the team after the season started. All 3 were trades. NONE of them came with the a Rape allegation or a Sexual Assault allegation. Let alone BOTH.

Of the others who were acquired long before the season started, only Dillon had a 5th degree domestic violence misdemeanor. That occurred in 2000, long before he came to the Patriots. I can remember it being reported that the Patriots specifically asked how things were going and he assured them that he and his wife were doing better. And Dillon kept his nose clean while with the Patriots.

Who stated that the Steelers were the most talented team in football during Brown's tenure? No one that I saw.

Who stated that Brown was the reason that they didn't win? No one. What was said is that Brown's numbers didn't help them win. You don't seem to understand the difference there.

The only people embarrassing themselves are you and TBR. Because neither of you can bother with facts, logic, reason, or this team's history under the current ownership.

What was said is that Brown's numbers didn't help them win. You don't seem to understand the difference there.

So, so dumb. Because the Steelers didn’t win a Super Bowl, it must be a losing formula to have a Hall of Fame receiver go through a historically good stretch. Because it can’t be true that he increased their chances of winning a championship even though they didn’t win one, right?

He destroyed the chances of the most talented team in the NFL for a decade.

Direct quote from shmessy. Once again you don’t even know the facts about what you’re arguing about, who you’re defending, what you’re reinforcing. You’re not worth my time.

 

[supafly]

What behavior is that? The bogus claims that he was soliciting a hand job? The amount of police impropriety that's been shown in that case is ridiculous..

Plus, he’s a guy who’s pushing 80 and hasn’t been married in 8 years, so I don’t place these “transgressions” on anything near the same level as a guy like Antonio Brown.

 

[50-yard-line]

before his last run on the last play of the game when the giants had clearly given up he was 21 for 60 for a HUGE 2.9 ypc

Amazing. Feed the beast

You realize that's how it ALWAYS is for running backs, right? Like, at the end of the year, IF you take out their breakaway runs, they look, you know, rather ordinary? or is it just that the only thing you see of other running backs are highlights, and so believe somehow that's their every wiggle and jiggle?

 

[supafly]

Kraft has appeared to many to be publicly intoxicated on several occasions during his career.

Is this an issue? I don’t think it’s a great look for him, but I don’t think he gives a damn. The organization is run well, and there’s a successor waiting in the wings who has likely been making more decisions than we’re aware of.

He’s a rich, old guy who enjoys his alcohol. Unless he becomes Jim Irsay, I don’t see why we should care that much. Just my opinion, of course.

 

[DaBruinz]

It will be interesting to see how they approach this. I’m thinking that there’s a decent chance that sweaty Teddy Nugent may have some competition coming his way soon.

They already have Koo on the PS. Depending on whether or not they feel the missed kick was on Nugent or Bailey will be a factor in the decision. If they feel Nugent should have made it regardless of how the laces were, then Nugent is likely gone. They have 10 days to decide..

 

[supafly]

You realize that's how it ALWAYS is for running backs, right? Like, at the end of the year, IF you take out their breakaway runs, they look, you know, rather ordinary? or is it just that the only thing you see of other running backs are highlights, and so believe somehow that's their every wiggle and jiggle?

It would appear as though Sony had more consistency last season as it pertains to picking up 3 and 4 yards a carry, but perhaps I am wrong.

 

[supafly]

They already have Koo on the PS. Depending on whether or not they feel the missed kick was on Nugent or Bailey will be a factor in the decision. If they feel Nugent should have made it regardless of how the laces were, then Nugent is likely gone. They have 10 days to decide..

I don’t remember who it was but I think they had a workout with another kicker a couple/few days ago. That could be something of a hint that they’re not entirely comfortable with Nugent (or Koo). Or, it could simply be due diligence. I suppose that we’ll find out soon enough.

Is there any realistic chance that they could give Koo a shot? Is that the guy who did well at Florida State and looked lost playing for the Chargers last year, or am I thinking of someone else?

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

What behavior is that? The bogus claims that he was soliciting a hand job? The amount of police impropriety that's been shown in that case is ridiculous..

Just had to jump back in here. You honestly don’t believe Kraft was soliciting a hand job? Lol...that is basically a stipulated fact. Sure, the police overreached and the case should be tossed due to their impropriety, but Kraft solicited a hand job. You can downplay it as minor as @supafly believes (and it is pretty minor in the big picture), but again you are totally uninformed and come across as as someone ignorant of obvious facts yet adamant about your opinions. Why is Kraft on two videos for two paid hand jobs in consecutive days? I can’t wait to get this answer...I’m sure it will contain a lot of caps and finger pointing as you stumble your way into justifying uninformed conclusions again.

 

[50-yard-line]

How much of that came on the final garbage time play? It was more like 21 carries for 65 yards.

Okay, let's play it out. Let's stamp THIS game 16 times.

Over 16 games, Michel gets 1,376 yards on 352 carries with no fumbles (and picks up a blitz and levels a linebacker).

Terrible year, right?

The pats OL isn't very good right now. Their TEs are worse. They had two undrafted rookies along with Edelman for much of the game. It's safe to assume that the Giants were kind of selling out on the run, particularly when Michel was in the game, you know?

He's not Zeke Elliot. He's not Barkley. He's not vintage AP.

He's not chopped liver, either. he's facing defenders BEHIND the line of scrimmage almost every time he touches the ball.

 

[50-yard-line]

It would appear as though Sony had more consistency last season as it pertains to picking up 3 and 4 yards a carry, but perhaps I am wrong.

Trent Brown >>>> Marshall Newhouse, particularly in road grading
David Andrews >> Ted Karras
Duane Allen >>>> Ryan Izzo in blocking
Rob Gronkowski >>>>>>>>>>>>>>>>> Matt LaCosse in blocking
James Develin >>>> Jakob Johnson, and >>>>>>>>>>>>>>> nobody (for much of the game)

So no, you're not wrong, but I think a film review would prove that Michel was usually coming to the line clean with lots of help in front of him.

 

[DaBruinz]

What was said is that Brown's numbers didn't help them win. You don't seem to understand the difference there.

So, so dumb. Because the Steelers didn’t win a Super Bowl, it must be a losing formula to have a Hall of Fame receiver go through a historically good stretch. Because it can’t be true that he increased their chances of winning a championship even though they didn’t win one, right?

So. You continue to prove that you don't understand what is being said. You make jackass assumptions and statements and you think everyone else is the issue. SMH..

You totally ignore that you just got destroyed on your "list of players that support my claim" BS.

He destroyed the chances of the most talented team in the NFL for a decade.

Direct quote from shmessy. Once again you don’t even know the facts about what you’re arguing about, who you’re defending, what you’re reinforcing. You’re not worth my time.

Clearly reading comprehension IS a serious issue for you. Attacking someone for not having seen a post from a separate 2900 post thread just makes you a jackass. Especially when you were asked you WHO said it.. I stated I hadn't see his post specifically because it was in the GDT, which I didn't participate in.

You're the one not worth anyone's time. You regularly don't use facts. You regularly talk irrationally. When you actually post a rebuttal, it's full of red herrings and information not pertinent to the discussion. And when you're called out on that garbage, you pretend like it didn't happen. It's why you completely ignored the fact that I destroyed you putting up all those other names of people..

 

[livinginthe past]

I see our resident 'GDT' crybabies have made themselves at home in the past game thread, too!

Some of you whiners should take some time our to watch other teams closely - especially our perceived rivals and see how many of them have this amazing complete team.

Would you rather have the KC situation going into the post-season - pass reliant , one dimensional offence with a D that couldn't stop a nosebleed?

For years, member on this board have been wringing their hands in anguish as the team has had an unprecedented level of success - and here we are again, and injury depleted team making it to 6-0 - and people COULD NOT BE MORE UPSET.

Get some god damn perspective - this whole forum is a toxic mess suffering from extreme myopia.

 

[NormZauchin]

Seems like a Jerome Bettis stat line late in his career.

I remember Parcells, at the end of his first year as the Pats head coach (1994), saying that running back Marion Butts led the league in one yard gains from the line of scrimmage.

 

[DaBruinz]

I don’t remember who it was but I think they had a workout with another kicker a couple/few days ago. That could be something of a hint that they’re not entirely comfortable with Nugent (or Koo). Or, it could simply be due diligence. I suppose that we’ll find out soon enough.

Is there any realistic chance that they could give Koo a shot? Is that the guy who did well at Florida State and looked lost playing for the Chargers last year, or am I thinking of someone else?

They worked out 5 kickers. The other one that was rumored to be in contention was Kai Forbath.

Koo is the one who played for the Chargers last year. Went 3 of 6.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

So. You continue to prove that you don't understand what is being said. You make jackass assumptions and statements and you think everyone else is the issue. SMH..

You totally ignore that you just got destroyed on your "list of players that support my claim" BS.




Clearly reading comprehension IS a serious issue for you. Attacking someone for not having seen a post from a separate 2900 post thread just makes you a jackass. Especially when you were asked you WHO said it.. I stated I hadn't see his post specifically because it was in the GDT, which I didn't participate in.

You're the one not worth anyone's time. You regularly don't use facts. You regularly talk irrationally. When you actually post a rebuttal, it's full of red herrings and information not pertinent to the discussion. And when you're called out on that garbage, you pretend like it didn't happen. It's why you completely ignored the fact that I destroyed you putting up all those other names of people..

You “destroyed” me by addressing criminal charges about those players, when the point was about their on-field contributions and value to the Patriots, many of whom won championships in NE despite previously not “helping” to win any rings? Your IQ is lower than 85. Fact. Your maturity level is lower. Go “destroy”...forget that word makes you sound like a angst-filled eight grader.

Yes “attacking” you for not seeing the post that you’ve been arguing about is very appropriate...remember when you sent the love letter an hour ago to shmessy telling him about how he’s right? Maybe you should have clarified what the argument was about first before going on the offensive about a post which admittedly did not even read.

 

[supafly]

They worked out 5 kickers. The other one that was rumored to be in contention was Kai Forbath.

Are you talking about the initial workout that Nugent won? I’m aware of that one, but there was another one much more recently, like maybe Monday or Tuesday. I didn’t think there was more than one kicker who was brought in, though. At any rate, I’m sure they’ll get it figured out. Maybe Nugent stays.

 

[DaBruinz]

Are you talking about the initial workout that Nugent won? I’m aware of that one, but there was another one much more recently, like maybe Monday or Tuesday. I didn’t think there was more than one kicker who was brought in, though. At any rate, I’m sure they’ll get it figured out. Maybe Nugent stays.

The first five: Forbath, Nugent, Elliot Fry, Matthew Wright, and Blair Walsh

The same day they tried out Koo, they also gave another tryout to Kicker Josh Gable, whom they had given a tryout to in 2017.. Gable is interesting because he has HUGE leg strength.. He's supposedly made 80 yard kicks in practice.. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall for his workouts for the Pats to see what he is doing wrong that they didn't sign him..

 

[supafly]

The first five: Forbath, Nugent, Elliot Fry, Matthew Wright, and Blair Walsh

The same day they tried out Koo, they also gave another tryout to Kicker Josh Gable, whom they had given a tryout to in 2017.. Gable is interesting because he has HUGE leg strength.. He's supposedly made 80 yard kicks in practice.. I'd have loved to have been a fly on the wall for his workouts for the Pats to see what he is doing wrong that they didn't sign him..

This is the guy I was referring to, on Tuesday:

Report: Patriots work out kicker Nick Rose

 

[Deus Irae]

On a night where several Patriots players were banged up, the injuries to LaCosse and Johnson left New England without a fullback and just a lone healthy tight end. That forced New England to use different variations of “11” personnel for the remainder of the game, which stands for one running back, one tight end and three wide receivers.

“Got kind of forced into one grouping there in the second half. I don’t think that’s ever happened in 20 years,” quarterback Tom Brady said.

Patriots were limited to one personnel group in second half due to injuries