PostGame Thread OFFICIAL 2024 Patriots @ 49ers Postgame thread

[Vindicate]

Bedard warned in the preseason that he was concerned about Brissett's processing speed on plays. Unfortunately he was right. Brissett is not a guy you want behind a disaster of an o-line. He didn't have time for even a fast processing QB on a lot of plays, but he did on others and missed a lot of wide open receivers. I am wondering if the Pats would have been better off getting a guy like Tannehill over Brissett. Tannehill ain't great either, but he isn't as bad as Brissett in this situation.

All that said, I still am against rushing Maye into the starting line up. If the o-line is as bad as it was today, there is little benefit to him being out there and he is as much as a risk of regressing as learning in a situation like this.

That's a point I've been mulling over - was one of the bigger miscalculations of this offseason going with Brissett?

Not sure if we explored others, could be the issue of nobody wanting to come here, as well.

 

[fresnostatealum]

Made my way to the game today. Had endzone seats so I was able to get a little bit of a “Madden” perspective. It was mentioned here already, but yes the WRs do not separate much at all. But for me the biggest thing I noticed is how immobile Brissett is, I feel like he makes the line look worse than what they already are. Basically a giant statue back there. And the dude just doesn’t take chances. That Polk catch was overturned but that’s what he was really good at in college, fighting for the ball at the point of contact.

Lastly, I was pleasantly surprised at the amount of Pats jerseys in the stadium, I saw lot of Maye jerseys and some people sitting in my area were restless to get Maye in there. I don’t know how much longer they can keep Brissett in there once they get back to Gillette and really hear the fans. I think they’re risking losing the fan’s interest big time.

 

[lancerman]

So you only like a winner

My first game was in 1972. Jim Plunkett was their QB and we totally sucked.
But I stuck with them because they were our team. There was no team picking. We were from Boston and the Patriots were OUR team
We made it to a SB in 1986 and 1997. But I went through many bad years.
When we finally won and became the best franchise ever. It made all the suffering and made being a champ that much more sweeter.

You have not even seen many lean years and your jumping ship.
There is a lot to say about loyalty. It builds character

Now I know you are only kidding and will be so happy you stayed a Pats fan when our next dynasty begins.
That was funny about the Dallas thing since they have nit one a SB in 27 years
Way before your 1st Pats game

If you by what that poster said, they experienced 1 losing season in 2000 and then 3 in the last 4 years. So 4 over a 23 year period and they are jumping ship. They never experienced the dark days and are hoping they can root for Jerry Jones of all people. You know, the guy who screwed over Jimmy Johnson and turned his franchise into a national meme because he needs to be in total control.

 

[obgod3]

Or the team is just untalented and this was always going to take awhile. Bill Belichick's first year was a mess as well and a huge downgrade compared to the prior year. Mayo is starting at an even worse point. It's near impossible to judge him based off this starting point. You don't even have the base of Parcell's guys. You have a base of the piece of **** we built over the last 10 years when we drafted horribly and let Bill make every stupid decision he wanted.

The fact that we aren't winless right now is already better than what should have been expected. We weren't favored to win any of the games we played so far. Hell we shouldn't have even been within 2 scores mid 4th quarter in this game. It's a bad team.

They had opportunities since last season to improve the team and they didn’t, they chose not to. Picking Mayo as the head coach was dumb and contributes greatly to this overall situation. I can judge mayo as much as I want and both him and his staff make stupid decisions and think being a nice guy will work, it wont, Mayo is gone in two years. They the krafts fk’ed this up, the whole deal over the last few years, if they had a someone in their business operate this way they would fire them. No excuses for them. I don’t think for minute this team is any better than last season, more lucky that good maybe. But Brissett is awful otherwise he wouldn’t have been on 4 teams.

 

[Rob0729]

That's a point I've been mulling over - was one of the bigger miscalculations of this offseason going with Brissett?

Not sure if we explored others, could be the issue of nobody wanting to come here, as well.

Everyone figured that the Pats were going to draft a rookie QB at 3. So many QBs might have been afraid that they could end up be holding a clipboard to start the season. I mean that is possibility. And there were other places where QBs had legitimate chances to start and possibly win the starting position for longer than a year like Pittsburg with Russell Wilson.

 

[Love The Drake]

 

[lancerman]

They had opportunities since last season to improve the team and they didn’t, they chose not to. Picking Mayo as the head coach was dumb and contributes greatly to this overall situation. They the krafts fk’ed this up, the while deal over the last few years, if they had a someone in their business operate this way they would fire them. No excuses for them. I don’t think for minute this team is any better than last season, more lucky that good maybe. But Brissett is awful otherwise he wouldn’t have been on 4 teams.

They didn't "choose not to". They went after guys like Aiyuk and they didn't want to come here. The free agency period ended up being a bust because of the bigger than expected cap increase and a lot of top guys were resigned when they were expected to get on the market. At positions of need there were next to know clear upgrades, and the guys like Aiyuk that were ended up not wanting to be here. We had a decent draft, but again, due to need we took a work in progress QB over the stud lineman and WR who were ready to go immediately.

Who would you have hired as a coach besides Mayo that would have done better?

Blame Belichick honestly. About 90% of this team is what he built.

Brissett sucks, but Brissett is a stop gap while they get the next guy ready. People need to stop pretending he's here to win games or be a franchise level starter. He's here so we don't have 3 or 4 interception **** shows like Jones and Zappe were having last year that will force them to rush Maye out earlier than they want.

This is a bad team. Bill Belichick had 4 wins with mostly this same team last year. Everyone wanted to believe it was all Mac Jones being uniquely bad. No it was a bad team overall.

 

[mgteich]

We are what I thought we would be after four games.

Remind me. Did we really think that this was more than a 5 or 6 win team, especially given all the injuries?

 

[ViperGTS]

Brissett was the perfect dude for this team with a rookie 3rd pick. Sit down, shut up and color basically and he does that job perfectly. Won't rock the boat, won't bury the rookie or cause a stink when he gets 30 percent less snaps. Might not like it, but won't make a big deal about it. He's getting his 8 million.

 

[obgod3]

Yeh I never thought they would be good, but incompetent on all levels, didn’t think that. The Coaching is also abysmal. But I dont see a 2-3 year fix, guessing it’s a lot longer than that and maybe 1 or 2 coaches. Oh and Brissett has no value to a rookie Qb, please don’t let the rookie QB take any advise for Brissett.

 

[archstanton543]

Brissett was the perfect dude for this team with a rookie 3rd pick. Sit down, shut up and color basically and he does that job perfectly. Won't rock the boat, won't bury the rookie or cause a stink when he gets 30 percent less snaps. Might not like it, but won't make a big deal about it. He's getting his 8 million.

And he can get in a good cry every once in a while.

 

[denverpatsfan]

We ass (again). And it only took 4 games...

 

[archstanton543]

We ass (again). And it only took 4 games...

They weren't ass against the Jets?

 

[lancerman]

Everyone figured that the Pats were going to draft a rookie QB at 3. So many QBs might have been afraid that they could end up be holding a clipboard to start the season. I mean that is possibility. And there were other places where QBs had legitimate chances to start and possibly win the starting position for longer than a year like Pittsburg with Russell Wilson.

Exactly. Prospective QB's coming to NE knew

1. They were going onto the least talented team that was looking for a QB
2. They were not getting a multi year contract.
3. They were just a placeholder until Maye could start and had no real chance of winning any starting job
4. Were going to look bad until the transition happened and then would be cast aside and have to go back into free agency and sell the idea that it wasn't their fault while they looked for a new contract.
5. They weren't going to be able to sell to the fanbase a big contract on a placeholder. I guarantee you if they

Russell Wilson was like the best case scenario and he was not going to come here to play second fiddle to Maye. He would have looked worse than he looked in Denver behind this line with these WR's and then when his contract with Denver ended and he actually needed someone to pay him, he was going to be screwed.

Brissett was what made sense. He was cheap, he was an obvious placeholder, he's not going to throw a million interceptions and have enough negative plays to screw up the plan with Maye, and he's not going to rock the boat and try to win the job over Maye and undermine him.

 

[lancerman]

Yeh I never thought they would be good, but incompetent on all levels, didn’t think that. The Coaching is also abysmal. But I dont see a 2-3 year fix, guessing it’s a lot longer than that and maybe 1 or 2 coaches. Oh and Brissett has no value to a rookie Qb, please don’t let the rookie QB take any advise for Brissett.

Why wouldn't you think that? They were incompetent on all levels last year. Including coaching. I feel like people are getting amnesia and not remembering how many penalties and mistake filled games we had.

Literally the only good thing about the team last year was we had a decent run stop. Our passing defense was ****, our special teams was worst in the league (we actually improved this year), our line sucked, our WR's sucked (Polk might actually finally be an upgrade).

 

[40yrpatsfan]

On the positive side, early in the 3rd they were only down 20-10 and that included Jacoby's unforced pick 6. ST's were good: punting, FG's, punt returns. The D looked ok except for the blown safety coverage on Deebo's bomb after Dugger got hurt. The other 49er big plays were just good offense.

The OL was what you'd expect with Jacobs starting at LT, then Andrews and Wallace going out. We're having one of those years with OL injuries, they're contagious. Hopefully Lowe and Jordan are back next week.

 

[mgteich]

As was the case last year, with an average NFL QB, we'd be competitive absent a couple major injuries on Defense. And, yes, as was the case last year, we still need a top LT and a top WR.
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SOME THOUGHTS
1) I am surprised regarding how little we heard about the OL (very good news).
2) Jacobs has no help against Bosa. He did OK.
3) For Sow and Leverett, no news is very good news.
4) We know that Robinson hasn't learned to pass-rush. He was beaten a couple of times by very good DL's. He'll learn.
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Other than Stevenson's fumble, the rest of the Offense was OK: Stevenson, Gibson, Hasty, Henry, Hooper, Polk.
Polk did look good.
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STEPS FORWARD - LOT FOR SUCH A BAD LOSS
We have an OK backup LT.
We have an OK backup center.
We seem to have a #2 WR with solid prospects.
We have a great special teams unit, a huge improvement over last year.
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BOTTOM LINE
It may be tough to watch but we are what we are and what we expected to be: a 4-6 win team on the Rebuild waiting for our QB to start.
IMO, we are doing what we should be doing, although, like some others, I am frustrated that we didn't sign a couple of Defensive Frnt Six players. A trade or two is still possible. We will have a good couple of draft picks next year, and over $100M of cap money in 2025 and in 2026. IMO, we ARE on a reasonable track, presuming that we have at least a solid starting QB.

 

[lancerman]

We are what I thought we would be after four games.

Remind me. Did we really think that this was more than a 5 or 6 win team, especially given all the injuries?

Nobody realistic thought this. There was maybe an extreme minority that wanted to believe Gonzo coming back meant we were getting some All Pro talent back on defense and that Mac Jones was some special type of bad and any QB would fix the offense and reveal how good they supposedly were.

But most people knew what was going on. If they didn't, preseason should have clued them in. And if that didn't, the early injuries should have.

Nothing that has happened so far has been surprising.

If you told most people that the first 4 games would be

1. Them upsetting the Bengals
2. Losing an OT game to the Seahawks
3. Having Rodgers have a break out blow win where our defense still held them to 24 but our offense got shut out because the Jets have a good defense.
4. Losing on the road to the 49'ers but not getting completely obliterated and still having chances in the 4th

Most realistic people would have said that was about as good as could be hoped for.

The truth is it sucks losing and watching it happen in real time will always feel worse than stepping away and looking at the bigger picture and contextualizing it. It's frustrating to watch an untalented team play poorly.

 

[FCB02062]

This is a very long rebuild unless Krafty Bob wants to pay 120% market for free agents - 10% to cover the millionaire tax and 10% to cover the ****ty facility in the middle of nowhere and suck team tax.

 

[40yrpatsfan]

Exactly. Prospective QB's coming to NE knew

1. They were going onto the least talented team that was looking for a QB
2. They were not getting a multi year contract.
3. They were just a placeholder until Maye could start and had no real chance of winning any starting job
4. Were going to look bad until the transition happened and then would be cast aside and have to go back into free agency and sell the idea that it wasn't their fault while they looked for a new contract.
5. They weren't going to be able to sell to the fanbase a big contract on a placeholder. I guarantee you if they

Russell Wilson was like the best case scenario and he was not going to come here to play second fiddle to Maye. He would have looked worse than he looked in Denver behind this line with these WR's and then when his contract with Denver ended and he actually needed someone to pay him, he was going to be screwed.

Brissett was what made sense. He was cheap, he was an obvious placeholder, he's not going to throw a million interceptions and have enough negative plays to screw up the plan with Maye, and he's not going to rock the boat and try to win the job over Maye and undermine him.

I think the main reason we took Brissette was that AVP was installing a new offense and JB had played in it. In retrospect that was a bad reason.