Not So Hard Roster Projection

[JerseyShore99]

QB (2): Brady, Hoyer
RB (5): Michel, Burkhead, White, Hill/Gillislee, Devlin
WR(5): Hogan, Decker, Britt, Dorsett, Patterson
TE (3): Gronk, Allen, Hollister
OL (8): Brown, Wynn, Thuney, Andrews, Mason, Cannon, Waddle, Karras

DT (4): Brown, Guy, Shelton, Valentine
DE (6): Flowers, Clayborn, Wise, Rivers, Butler, Lee
LB (5): Hightower, KVN, Flowers, Robert, Langi
CB (5): Gilmore, McCourty, Rowe, J. Jones, Dawson
S (4): McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Richards/Pleasant

ST (6): Gos, Cardona, Allen, Slater, King, Ebner

Suspended (1): Edelman

 

[patsfaninpa]

I believe the two rookie lb's have a shot to beat out Langi and Roberts. Looking forward to seeing them on the field. I think he's a douche but Hill beats out Gillislee. With King and Ebner, maybe a 6th cb makes the squad like Cyrus Jones or Jackson instead of Richards/Pleasant. Otherwise, that's how I project it right now.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Berrios will be on the practice squad, eventually.

 

[jah]

Roster projection megathread? Roster projection megathread.

QB (2): 12 Brady, 2 Hoyer
RB (5): __ Michel, 34 Burkhead, 28 White, 38 Bolden, 46 Develin
WR (6): 15 Hogan, 13 Dorsett, 84 Patterson, 19 Mitchell, 17 McCarron, 18 Slater
TE (3): 87 Gronkowski, 83 Allen, 47 Hollister
OL (9): 77 Brown, 62 Thuney, 60 Andrews, 69 Mason, 61 Cannon, __ Wynn, 75 Karras, 68 Waddle, 74 Croston
DL (5): 71 Shelton, 93 Guy, 90 Brown, 70 Butler, 99 Valentine
EDGE (5): 98 Flowers, 94 Clayborn, 91 Wise, 55 Lee, 95 Rivers
LB (5): 54 Hightower, 53 Van Noy, 52 Roberts, 59 Flowers, __ Bentley
CB (5): 24 Gilmore, 25 Rowe, __ Dawson, 30 McCourty, __ Crossen
S (5): 32 McCourty, 23 Chung, 21 Harmon, 37 Richards, 36 King
ST (3): 3 Gostkowski, 6 Allen, 49 Cardona
PUP/NFI/Jail: 11 Edelman, 31 Jones, 41 Jones, 43 Ebner, 88 Britt

If/when J. Jones, Ebner, and Britt come off PUP before the season, they respectively take the spots of Crossen, Rivers, and Mitchell.

Bubble players who made it onto my 53 and could easily be cut: McCarron, Lee, Rivers, Bentley, Crossen, Richards

Bubble players who didn't make my 53 but definitely have a chance: Hill, Gillislee, Berrios, Langi, Grissom, Davis, Sam, Jackson, Moore, Pleasant.

 

[Clonamery]

Bygones are bygones, I'm glad you think Butler will make the team.

 

[Kontradiction]

Berrios will be on the practice squad, eventually.

I think he makes the active roster now with Edelman suspended, Matthews gone, and the need at PR.

 

[BobDigital]

I was thinking about making my 53 man right now but I decided not too. Instead I have some thoughts.

#1 Valentine will be a surprise cut. I read a story recently about how he couldn't finish a penalty lap around the field. That doesn't sound very good to me. Add in his relative ineffectiveness and it seems clear that he's no lock by any means. In 19 games he's had 1 sack. That's horrible for any DT who doesn't specialize as a run stopping force.

Besides the sacks numbers he just lacks pressure. It seems that since he flashes his rookie year he has regressed more and more. Then the injury and being out of shape now?

#2 Ryan Lewis makes the team. He's having a good camp. He isn't the pure athletic freak Crossen is and he isn't as established a rookie as JC Jackson is. So what is he? A BB kind of guy. A guy who is smart, articulate, has no baggage and is on the field making plays day after day. I see him as the kind of rookie BB will take a chance on over Jackson or Crossen.

#3 The Pats keep both McCourty and Rowe. BB almost all of his career has had a policy that if you don't start you play special teams. This is particularly true for CB and other skill players. The only time BB has broken this rule that I can think of for wass during 2014. That year he carried Butler who didn't play special teams even though he didn't start. It caused them to win the super bowl.

In 2016 they had all their CBs healthy and playing. They won the superbowl.

In 2017 they sat Butler and had to play the backups and it went to ****. I think BB realized something here. That keeping 4 real CBs and not worrying about STs is worth it. CB is the one position you can't scheme around if you play a good team. You just need guys who can play.

I know you can say "but Dawson plays STs!" It's true, but that isn't what i'm talking about and he won't play STs much once he becomes the starting nickle. As much as BB hates it I think he has realized the value of sitting a REAL CB down and biting the bullet on his STs not being as good as it could be. It isn't like he won't have many excellent players in that unit in any case this year.

 

[Ring 6]

I was thinking about making my 53 man right now but I decided not too. Instead I have some thoughts.

#1 Valentine will be a surprise cut. I read a story recently about how he couldn't finish a penalty lap around the field. That doesn't sound very good to me. Add in his relative ineffectiveness and it seems clear that he's no lock by any means. In 19 games he's had 1 sack. That's horrible for any DT who doesn't specialize as a run stopping force.

Umm he is a run stopping DT.

Besides the sacks numbers he just lacks pressure. It seems that since he flashes his rookie year he has regressed more and more. Then the injury and being out of shape now?

You do realize “since his rookie year” he has been out with an injury right? Not sure how that is called regressing.

#2 Ryan Lewis makes the team. He's having a good camp. He isn't the pure athletic freak Crossen is and he isn't as established a rookie as JC Jackson is. So what is he? A BB kind of guy. A guy who is smart, articulate, has no baggage and is on the field making plays day after day. I see him as the kind of rookie BB will take a chance on over Jackson or Crossen.

I think articulate is low on the list of how a bubble player makes the roster. But there have been some good reports about Lewis but I’m not sure any of those 3 end up in the 53.

#3 The Pats keep both McCourty and Rowe. BB almost all of his career has had a policy that if you don't start you play special teams. This is particularly true for CB and other skill players. The only time BB has broken this rule that I can think of for wass during 2014. That year he carried Butler who didn't play special teams even though he didn't start. It caused them to win the super bowl.

In 2016 they had all their CBs healthy and playing. They won the superbowl.

In 2017 they sat Butler and had to play the backups and it went to ****. I think BB realized something here. That keeping 4 real CBs and not worrying about STs is worth it. CB is the one position you can't scheme around if you play a good team. You just need guys who can play.

I think Belichick has always kept his best corners as corners and then usually keeps a special teamed who is also a corner.

I know you can say "but Dawson plays STs!" It's true, but that isn't what i'm talking about and he won't play STs much once he becomes the starting nickle. As much as BB hates it I think he has realized the value of sitting a REAL CB down and biting the bullet on his STs not being as good as it could be. It isn't like he won't have many excellent players in that unit in any case this year.

I have no idea where you get this from. When did he start not using corners on special teams?

 

[BobDigital]

Umm he is a run stopping DT.


You do realize “since his rookie year” he has been out with an injury right? Not sure how that is called regressing.

I think i'm going to nickname you 'arguing Andy' from now on. Seriously though, you go point by point and take the least generous view of my position and argue against it.

Just for example let's look at that point about Valentine.

I said "In 19 games he's had 1 sack. That's horrible for any DT who doesn't specialize as a run stopping force." I also brought up his lack of pressures.

You said "Umm he is a run stopping DT."

You clearly acted like I think he doesn't try to stop the run as a DT or that I think he is some kind of pass rush specialist. You completely ignored when I said "specialize as a run stopping force."

Being a run stopping player doesn't make you a run stopping force unless you give a very ungenerous meaning to my words. Valentine is clearly not a "run stopping force" kind of player. He isn't like Shelton who locks down on the run so well that when he fails to get sacks it doesn't matter much because he's impacting the game with just his run stopping.

Frankly, I see you do stuff like this all the time. You see someone make a post and try to find a way to show why they are wrong and you are right.

Then you pick on my use of the term "regress" for Valentine. Fair enough. He didn't play in the regular season, true. I could see how there could be miscommunication about that.

But you act like there was no possible way I could say he regressed when he looked bad in the 2017 TC and preseason. And now he can't even run a freaking penalty lap in 2018 and has had ZERO impact in TC from all reports I've seen.

So i won't pick on you too much for that one. But still, you could have given the benefit of a doubt that maybe I was talking about something besides only games in the regular season, which I was aware he didn't play in.

I'm not trying to show you up. I would just ask in the future please assume that when I make a point you think could be wrong that maybe it's possible you might be misinterpreting it. I think that's fair. Not to say i'm always right cause i'm not.

 

[Ring 6]

I think i'm going to nickname you 'arguing Andy' from now on. Seriously though, you go point by point and take the least generous view of my position and argue against it.

What is the purpose of a message board other than to discuss things you disagree on?

Just for example let's look at that point about Valentine.

I said "In 19 games he's had 1 sack. That's horrible for any DT who doesn't specialize as a run stopping force." I also brought up his lack of pressures.

You said "Umm he is a run stopping DT."

You clearly acted like I think he doesn't try to stop the run as a DT or that I think he is some kind of pass rush specialist. You completely ignored when I said "specialize as a run stopping force."

Well that’s the point. He is a large dt who is there to stop the run. The majority of his snaps were on run downs. Not sure why you expect sacks from a guy in that role.

Valentine played 288 snaps. Less than half of Alan Branch’s snaps, the guy who played the same role and got 1.5 snaps.

Being a run stopping player doesn't make you a run stopping force unless you give a very ungenerous meaning to my words. Valentine is clearly not a "run stopping force" kind of player. He isn't like Shelton who locks down on the run so well that when he fails to get sacks it doesn't matter much because he's impacting the game with just his run stopping.

That is exactly his role. He will
split snaps with Shelton.

Frankly, I see you do stuff like this all the time. You see someone make a post and try to find a way to show why they are wrong and you are right.

Again what is the point of replying to a list except to discuss the points you disagree on?

Then you pick on my use of the term "regress" for Valentine. Fair enough. He didn't play in the regular season, true. I could see how there could be miscommunication about that.

But you act like there was no possible way I could say he regressed when he looked bad in the 2017 TC and preseason. And now he can't even run a freaking penalty lap in 2018 and has had ZERO impact in TC from all reports I've seen.

He didn’t look bad in camp he was injured.
How do you expect to hear great things about a NT after 7 practices most of which were without pads?

So i won't pick on you too much for that one. But still, you could have given the benefit of a doubt that maybe I was talking about something besides only games in the regular season, which I was aware he didn't play in.

Then you can’t say a guy regressed when he didn’t play.

I'm not trying to show you up. I would just ask in the future please assume that when I make a point you think could be wrong that maybe it's possible you might be misinterpreting it. I think that's fair. Not to say i'm always right cause i'm not.

That is why I comment on your point that I think is wrong. That’s how this is supposed to work.

Now you have responded and we understand that you think he has a different role than I do and that your idea of regressing is not hearing about him in training camp reports. That’s fine. We can disagree.
See now if you disagree with things I said, you can give your perspective.

 

[ralmat55]

QB (2) Brady, Hoyer- Etling to PS to continue his development.

RB (5) White, Burkhead, Bolden, Develin, Michel - Neither Hill nor Gillislee make it. Vanderbilt University’s all-time leading rusher Ralph Webb will be the 2018 winner of the “who’s he” award after the first couple of preseason games and will end up on PS if he passes waivers.

WR (6) Hogan, Dorsett, Decker, Patterson, Berrios, Slater - Edelman does his 4 game suspension. Would like nothing better than to see Malcolm Mitchell get healthy and make this team.

TE (3) Gronkowski, Allen, Hollister - Will Tye could beat out Allen, and it would not be a total surprise if they kept 4 TEs.

OL (8) Brown, Wynn, Andrews, Mason, Cannon., Waddle, Thuney, Croston- Karras will be on tha PS. Good move by Patriots adding some veterans OL such as Tobin, John, and Bowanko for training camp. It allows them to have some veterans immersed in the system in case needed and also should result in better OL play to help evaluate and develop skill players late in preseason games.

ST (4) Gostkowski, Cardona, Allen, King- King has never taken a snap on defensive so listed as STer. Allen will sign a contract extension lowering his AAV to $ 1.5 m before the preseason ends solidifying his place on the team.

DE (5) Flowers, Clayborn, Wise, Rivers, Davis- Trey Flowers is a free agent after this year and Clayborn has some injury concerns. Keionta Davis has prototypical size and skill which needs to be kept and developed.

DT (5) Brown, Shelton, Guy, Valentine, Butler - I would not be in the least surprised if Malcolm Brown was traded before the season begins. I think both John Atkins and Frank Herron might be PS worthy.

LB (5) Hightower, Van Noy, M. Flowers, Grigsby, Bentley- Christian Sam goes to PS. I would like to keep E. Roberts, but Bentley was very surprising to me in my post draft video reviews. He’s a brute but also very instinctive so he’ll play faster than the numbers. His pick six INT against U of Minnesota (?) was a very impressive play. This defense needs playmakers at all 3 levels.

CB (6) Gilmore, Rowe, J. McCourty,Dawson, Lewis, Jackson - JC Jackson was the revelation of my video viewing. If he wants it, he’ll be lined up opposite Gilmore when next season starts. J. Jones will start the season on PUP but be a factor before season ends. It would not surprise me if J. McCourty doesn’t make the cut or if Cyrus Jones does especially for PR duties. Crossen will be on the PS

S (4) D. McCourty, Chung, Harmon, Richards- Ebner will open on PUP and be active before the season ends. Travis and AJ Moore are PS caliber. If one of either Lewis or Jackson are cut and J. Richards is kept I will throw a conniption. I do not know what a conniption is but I will throw one just the same. Both Dawson and Rowe have S experience and could play there in a pinch.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

How can anyone not be 100% certain of Richards making the roster? He’s the biggest lock on the team, and it’s impossible for him to lose his spot...they would probably keep him on the active game day roster even if he tore his ACL.

 

[Bruins29]

Britt come off PUP before the season, they respectively take the spots of Mitchell.

Britt is not on the PUP. Assuming MM dosent make it there is still Decker.
Hogan, Patterson and Dorsett are most likely in. They will probably carry Decker and Britt also with Slater. Unless Decker Flames out in which he will be cut for a rookie. Or perhaps Britt does not get healthy enough over the next week or two and they IR him stashing him away for the rest of the year. Then a rookie can be kept

 

[SammyBlueCat]

Several good posts... Regarding arguing it does happen around here occasionally however it should be acceptable IF there is no name calling or personal attack involved. No?

 

[jimnance]

Several good posts... Regarding arguing it does happen around here occasionally however it should be acceptable IF there is no name calling or personal attack involved. No?

No! you dirty #@*&+!!

 

[Tony2046]

Several good posts... Regarding arguing it does happen around here occasionally however it should be acceptable IF there is no name calling or personal attack involved. No?

I'll just say this. Andy knows his football and he is probably one of the top 5 of the posters that I will sincerely read regarding football because I know he knows what he's talking about.

Schematically there are few better than Andy if any.

So I wish posters would respond to any of his posts with meaningful content rather than "argumentative Andy" type shyt because it throws an otherwise productive conversation into a bull shyt ticky tack thing.

 

[Bourne Again Christian]

There is a good amount of quality on this board.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

I think i'm going to nickname you 'arguing Andy' from now on. Seriously though, you go point by point and take the least generous view of my position and argue against it.

Just for example let's look at that point about Valentine.

I said "In 19 games he's had 1 sack. That's horrible for any DT who doesn't specialize as a run stopping force." I also brought up his lack of pressures.

You said "Umm he is a run stopping DT."

You clearly acted like I think he doesn't try to stop the run as a DT or that I think he is some kind of pass rush specialist. You completely ignored when I said "specialize as a run stopping force."

Being a run stopping player doesn't make you a run stopping force unless you give a very ungenerous meaning to my words. Valentine is clearly not a "run stopping force" kind of player. He isn't like Shelton who locks down on the run so well that when he fails to get sacks it doesn't matter much because he's impacting the game with just his run stopping.

Frankly, I see you do stuff like this all the time. You see someone make a post and try to find a way to show why they are wrong and you are right.

Then you pick on my use of the term "regress" for Valentine. Fair enough. He didn't play in the regular season, true. I could see how there could be miscommunication about that.

But you act like there was no possible way I could say he regressed when he looked bad in the 2017 TC and preseason. And now he can't even run a freaking penalty lap in 2018 and has had ZERO impact in TC from all reports I've seen.

So i won't pick on you too much for that one. But still, you could have given the benefit of a doubt that maybe I was talking about something besides only games in the regular season, which I was aware he didn't play in.

I'm not trying to show you up. I would just ask in the future please assume that when I make a point you think could be wrong that maybe it's possible you might be misinterpreting it. I think that's fair. Not to say i'm always right cause i'm not.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

I'll just say this. Andy knows his football and he is probably one of the top 5 of the posters that I will sincerely read regarding football because I know he knows what he's talking about.

Schematically there are few better than Andy if any.

So I wish posters would respond to any of his posts with meaningful content rather than "argumentative Andy" type shyt because it throws an otherwise productive conversation into a bull shyt ticky tack thing.

It’s hard to take anything he says with any credibility, considering his deranged obsession with proving he is right rather than considering an alternative opinion when presented with new facts.

Your statement is equivalent to saying, “Hey, Ted Wells went to Harvard and knows the technicalities of the law better than any attorney in NYC, and he has top notch investigative skills, so let’s show him some reverence” while ignoring his bias, lies, stubbornness, and incorrect conclusions.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

As a Nebraska fan, VV actually surprised me with his decent play here in 2016. Had an inconsistent career in Lincoln.