NFL rumored to be considering 14 game season starting in October

[luuked]

That is simply wrong. The narrative was, if we don't flatten the curve we will overwhelm hospitals and more will die. We have to flatten the curve to allow people to slow the infections so they won't all hit at once, and we can reach herd immunity without overwhelming the system. Herd immunity involves a large percentage of the population catching this. Anyone that says any different is rewriting history and is wrong. It was never to keep everyone from catching this, the only way you achieve herd immunity is having lots of people catch it, which will eventually happen, if it already hasn't.

And that is exactly what happened. It is not a narrative but reality. The curve was flattened and the strain on ERs and hospitals went significantly down in the last couple of weeks.

It also exactly what I wrote.

What are you even talking about ?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

The argument that I keep hearing is to have all of the "vulnerable" shelter while everyone else goes out there and gets it, builds persistent neutralizing antibodies (if they exist), and then (poof!) we'll have herd immunity.

As you said, "If they exist." The scary possibility is that people who have anti-COVID-19 antibodies may be able to prevent themselves from getting sick upon re-infection but still be able to infect others.

 

[Teej]

If the NFL plunks a coronavirus waiver down for players to sign, or if the Feds give them immunity from liability, or if players realize their kids lives are at stake, you can forget about the NFL without a vaccine.

3 children have died in New York from a coronavirus-linked inflammatory disease, Cuomo says

 

[moosekill]

Yes we have been hearing this narrative for months now, it hasn't happened, and it looks like it won't. The disease is much, much less deadly then first thought, it is much more widespread. Hey, maybe you are in a nursing home, and I won't judge, I would be scared if I lived there too, and especially since sooo much time was spent shutting down the economy, rather than protecting those people in homes, who are the ones who are really in danger.

Just checking. The dislikes are because you wish the disease was more deadly, or because it really is more wide spread then people thought. Or is it because you are happy the economy is shut down, or is it because you don't want to protect the old people in nursing homes.

 

[moosekill]

If the NFL plunks a coronavirus waiver down for players to sign, or if the Feds give them immunity from liability, or if players realize their kids lives are at stake, you can forget about the NFL without a vaccine.

3 children have died in New York from a coronavirus-linked inflammatory disease, Cuomo says

While, I realize Cuomo is a world famous infectious disease specialist, perhaps we should wait and see if they really are connected. I hope you are enjoying your basement Teej.

 

[moosekill]

Of course with Kawasaki disease, if it is treated early children usually recover. However, since hospitals are discouraging people with non coronavirus diseases from coming in, and the media has scared people from going into the hospitals or doctor's offices, the kids probably aren't getting treatment early enough.

 

[Teej]

While, I realize Cuomo is a world famous infectious disease specialist, perhaps we should wait and see if they really are connected. I hope you are enjoying your basement Teej.

Sorry MooseBoy, there are no basements in my part of Central FL.

Moosekill? What a joke. When I went camping near Greenville, ME I could watch moose eat in bogs for over an hour at a time from twenty feet away, if I wanted to...some great hunter you must be.

The next "Moose Safari" you go on, make sure you don't mistake these for chocolate covered almonds again:

 

[moosekill]

Those are deer poops. Moose poops are much much bigger.

 

[Ring 6]

The argument that I keep hearing is to have all of the "vulnerable" shelter while everyone else goes out there and gets it, builds persistent neutralizing antibodies (if they exist), and then (poof!) we'll have herd immunity.

problem 1: 80-90% of the population needs to get immunity (by disease, or by vaccine) for the population to have herd immunity

problem 2: the vulnerable population is way more than 10-20%, since it includes:
-those over 60
those under 60 who are
-overweight. not just obese, but overweight
-have high blood pressure
-have high cholesterol
-have diabetes or pre-diabetes
-have blood clotting issues
-have asthma
-have any other respiratory condition
-smoke
-have any autoimmune disease
-have a weakened immune system for any reason

I'm not talking about a vulnerable person being in ALL of these categories, but in ANY of these categories.

problem 3: the vulnerable population is probably 3x above the number that can be protected and reach herd immunity for the population. Therefore, absent a vaccine, we need to identify two-thirds of them to "take one for the economy"

If problem 3 doesn't bother you, then you might be a Nazi.

The only realistic way to herd immunity (if it is even possible) is a safe and effective vaccine.

It also doesn't make sense to endure the economic cost of shutting down the economy until a vaccine is in hand, so when we "open up", people need to take things seriously (masks, distancing, no large groups) or else even half way to the old normal will be a long, long time away.

I have heard people say that they won't wear a mask in public. It is their right, they say. Sure, it may be. But I put it somewhere on the "not cool" list between intentionally farting on an elevator and spitting in somebody's face. Just do it. It isn't that much of a sacrifice. My WWII vet dad sacrificed a hell of a lot more very day for 3 years and never whined about it.

I am eager to get back to work in 3 days, with mask at the ready, working shifts in re-configured work spaces to ensure proper distancing.

We can re-start, sensibly, and not be denialists or anti-science stooges.

Sorry for venting, and dislike away.

2/3 of people are not going to die if they are exposed. Perhaps that’s not what you meant by take one for the economy. Based upon the data we have it’s is less than 1% and the unknown data only will make it lower. There may very well be multitudes more people who had it and didn’t know it than those that have been confirmed.

 

[Ring 6]

Sorry MooseBoy, there are no basements in my part of Central FL.

Moosekill? What a joke. When I went camping near Greenville, ME I could watch moose eat in bogs for over an hour at a time from twenty feet away, if I wanted to...some great hunter you must be.

The next "Moose Safari" you go on, make sure you don't mistake these for chocolate covered almonds again:

This was your reaction to him pointing out Cuomo is calling this Coronavirus related without any evidence?
Why would that fact drive you to insult the person who brought it up?

 

[Teej]

Those are deer poops. Moose poops are much much bigger.

I have to give you credit for knowing your animal poop but I didn't say it came from a moose, I just hoped you wouldn't mistake it for chocolate almonds again. Deer and moose still crap in the same woods up there don't they?

 

[Teej]

This was your reaction to him pointing out Cuomo is calling this Coronavirus related without any evidence?
Why would that fact drive you to insult the person who brought it up?

No, my reply was a response to his post in #145.

I'd hate for you to look stupid again so follow the conversation better.

 

[Ring 6]

No, my reply was a response to his post in #145.

I'd hate for you to look stupid again so follow the conversation better.

I think you spoke too soon, I wouldn’t normally say you look stupid for making a mistake but that seems to be your thing, so who looks stupid?
See below and post #145 was exactly the post where he criticized Cuomo. As I said...

moosekill said: ↑
While, I realize Cuomo is a world famous infectious disease specialist, perhaps we should wait and see if they really are connected. I hope you are enjoying your basement Teej.
Sorry MooseBoy, there are no basements in my part of Central FL.

Moosekill? What a joke. When I went camping near Greenville, ME I could watch moose eat in bogs for over an hour at a time from twenty feet away, if I wanted to...some great hunter you must be.

The next "Moose Safari" you go on, make sure you don't mistake these for chocolate covered almonds again

 

[Teej]

I think you spoke too soon, I wouldn’t normally say you look stupid for making a mistake but that seems to be your thing, so who looks stupid?
See below and post #145 was exactly the post where he criticized Cuomo. As I said...

My post was a reply to him saying "I hope you are enjoying your basement Teej"

1. SEE POST#145

2. Get a brain.

 

[Ring 6]

My post was a reply to him saying "I hope you are enjoying your basement Teej"

1. SEE POST#145

2. Get a brain.

yes post 145 is the post about Cuomo in response to your post. Evidently you have become so butt hurt by it because you realize you look stupid.

 

[Teej]

yes post 145 is the post about Cuomo in response to your post. Evidently you have become so butt hurt by it because you realize you look stupid.

Let me help you out. You asked why I would insult him and the OBVIOUS answer is because he insulted me first in post #145.

GET A BRAIN.

I'm moving on from you.

 

[Ring 6]

Let me help you out. You asked why I would insult him and the OBVIOUS answer is because he insulted me first in post #145.

GET A BRAIN.

I'm moving on from you.

Butthurt. The reaction of the proven wrong.

 

[Teej]

Butthurt. The reaction of the proven wrong.

Ding-a-ling-Ring 6.....This ignoramus is henceforth ignored.

 

[Teej]

The season should not be played...without a vaccine.


Dr. Fauci excerpts from Peter King interview:

....“This is a respiratory virus, so it’s going to be spread by shedding virus. The problem with virus shedding is that if I have it in my nasal pharynx, and it sheds and I wipe my hand against my nose - now it’s on my hand. You see, then I touch my chest or my thigh, then it’s on my chest or my thigh for at least a few hours. Sweat as such won’t transmit it. But if people are in such close contact as football players are on every single play, then that’s the perfect set up for spreading. I would think that if there is an infected football player on the field - a middle linebacker, a tackle, whoever it is it - as soon as they hit the next guy, the chances are that they will be shedding virus all over that person.

“If you really want to be in a situation where you want to be absolutely certain, you’d test all the players before the game. And you say, Those who are infected: Sorry, you’re sidelined. Those who are free: Get in there and play.”

The NFL could expand rosters to include practice squad players but there is no way to accurately predict how rapidly the coronavirus could spread once it penetrates a locker room.

“To be 100 percent sure, you’ve got to test every day. But that’s not practical and that’s never going to happen. But you can diminish dramatically by testing everybody Saturday night, Sunday morning, and say OK, only negative players play.”

 

[Ring 6]

Ding-a-ling-Ring 6.....This ignoramus is henceforth ignored.

Haha wow that was soo funny. You must be 7 years old.
PLEASE ignore me until you grow up.