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And in chimes the other obsessed one.
Wow. Took you 60 seconds to realize I made a post and for you to respond. That's shorter than usual.

You just can't stop reading and responding to my posts.
 
Wow. Took you 60 seconds to realize I made a post and for you to respond. That's shorter than usual.

You just can't stop reading and responding to my posts.
I'm the one saying stop. I have no interest in your opinion as it has no value to me at all. You insist on making personal attacks and lying.

There is no value to the board in you acting that way. I have no interest in every responding to any of your drivel with the exception of you ceasing the bs replies to my posts.

It is very simple cut the crap and there is nothing to respond to.
 
Creepier by the moment.
 
I'm the one saying stop. I have no interest in your opinion as it has no value to me at all. You insist on making personal attacks and lying.

There is no value to the board in you acting that way. I have no interest in every responding to any of your drivel with the exception of you ceasing the bs replies to my posts.

It is very simple cut the crap and there is nothing to respond to.
 
So, ummmm, anyway....ruling in 6 to 8 weeks?
 
Go ahead.....you're the one who needs to keep it going
This is so funny to watch. Your obsession is comical.
But let's review. I said I have no interest in your opinion or posts so just stop responding to mine. You can't do that. My posts are asking for this silliness to stop. Yours are because you are obsessed and can't let one go by.
 
This is so funny to watch. Your obsession is comical.
But let's review. I said I have no interest in your opinion or posts so just stop responding to mine. You can't do that. My posts are asking for this silliness to stop. Yours are because you are obsessed and can't let one go by.

No.....I'm laughing my ass off because you really are projecting....you're the one who can't stop.....you're begging others to stop because......you.....just .....cant

Know it all who has to have the last word with everyone....you're a major attention whore
 
I'm the one saying stop. I have no interest in your opinion as it has no value to me at all. You insist on making personal attacks and lying.

There is no value to the board in you acting that way. I have no interest in every responding to any of your drivel with the exception of you ceasing the bs replies to my posts.

It is very simple cut the crap and there is nothing to respond to.
Or you could, you know, stop responding.

But actually, you can't do that. You literally lack the fortitude to just ignore someone. That's why we're laughing at you.
 
You are kidding right? The entire exponent report is bogus.
But some examples?
Ok. Anderson said he used the logo Gauge and had no doubt yet wells reported that when pressed he said it was a possibility he used the other. Wells found Andersons memory not credible.
The photo of the gauges in the report was manipulated to make the differences look much less than they are.
There were 11 footballs measured at halftime but 2 were missing (dqwell Jackson ball and declined tv). The only mention of this is that Anderson said it was a possibility that he put 13 balls in the bag.
Patriot security recounted that McNally often took the balks to the field alone. This was ignored.
McNally described the "stressed" text as being about tickets and a friend. The friend corroborated. Wells found that not credible without any evidence to the contrary.
wells set up Brady with the phone issue.
That's just off the top of my head.
It goes on and on.

Go read the wells report context.
You won't be such a big Ted wells fan after you do.

None of these are false statements or made-up evidence. Bad science, absurd leaps of logic, unfair adverse inferences drawn against Brady--Certainly, yes.
 
None of these are false statements or made-up evidence. Bad science, absurd leaps of logic, unfair adverse inferences drawn against Brady--Certainly, yes.

Astounding. Are you a direct descendant of Neville Chamberlain?
 
Astounding. Are you a direct descendant of Neville Chamberlain?

the wording was wisely selected.....

more probably than not
general awareness

as the basis for the punishments.....hard to disprove in the context of the league bylaws and the CBA, which is why they were selected

in the end, Brady won't miss a game ...... the league is taking it to the end because regardless of how it turns out, they won't look as bad as they would if the gave up now
 
He did do an excellent job. He got the outcome his client hired him to get. That is the very definition of a good job, especially for a lawyer.
I was about to suggest that you must have had a Three Martini Lunch, but then I remembered that it wasn't Wells' job to argue the NFL's case in the Appeal before the SDNY; that was primarily Nash's job...a job at which he did not cover himself with glory.

So, yes, Wells delivered his client enough for his client's purposes, however specious, during Brady's first Appeal to the "Arbiter," aka Goodell. He made an argument and concluded, no matter how flawed you and I might find that argument and conclusion, that the facts suggested that there was a "scheme" to deflate the footballs and that Brady had to be "generally aware" of it. Goodell found that sufficient for his purposes. So, Wells did his job.

I've avoided spending the money for the Copley Court transcript of the Appeal Hearing, mainly I think because I want to prove to myself that I'm not THAT obsessed that I'd drop a couple hundred bucks on the Transcript...not that I might not yet do so...I've talked to them and gotten a quote, but so far I've resisted the temptation...so far...

But, it's my impression from the Twittered dribs and drabs of the proceedings that the Appellate Judges in their questioning (emphasis on "questioning") more or less ignored Berman's ruling and tried to see if they could convince themselves that there was enough of a case in the Wells report that they didn't have to limit themselves to ruling on the details of Notice, Access to Pash and Access to other materials and witnesses, on which Berman's ruling was based.

I have no idea what to make of that. And don't pretend that I do, so comments are welcome.

Had the Appeals Judges determined that Berman ruled correctly to the extent of what was warranted by the matters he considered in his ruling? Is that why they let Clement more or less off the hook? There was nothing to talk about with him.

Were they wondering whether there was another possible Theory of the Case in which the evidence against Brady should have been considered and that Berman may have erred in not considering it more thoroughly, especially in regard to the destruction of the phone and the communications between Brady and the Equipment staff? Before the flames are ignited by others, please note that I am not saying that I regard that as "evidence," but is it possible that the judges were exploring the possibility that it should have been considered as such by Berman?

Were their questions to Kessler, then, really designed just to see how Kessler would address this alternative Theory of the Case? In other words, have many people made far too much of how they questioned Kessler if what they were doing was just exploring another way of looking at the matter?

And, if so, did Kessler err by apparently losing his cool by suggesting that the Judges had, in some way, predetermined a view of the case, instead of just walking through the logic of their questions with them and showing that it was flawed and that Berman, therefore, had focused on the right things?

If they determine that Berman ruled correctly on the three matters he considered but erred in not considering the "evidence" against Brady, would they not then have to rule that Berman should rehear the Case, rather than overturn his decision?
 
None of these are false statements or made-up evidence. Bad science, absurd leaps of logic, unfair adverse inferences drawn against Brady--Certainly, yes.
Dismissing a direct confident answe by asking if there is any possibility you remember it wrong is absolutely making up evidence.
You can use whatever rhetoric you want to stick up for your boy wells but large portions of that report were knowing false.
 
Dismissing a direct confident answe by asking if there is any possibility you remember it wrong is absolutely making up evidence.
You can use whatever rhetoric you want to stick up for your boy wells but large portions of that report were knowing false.

"Large portions" but you cite a single, much discussed, yet little understood, example. Use of the logo gauge implies that both the colts and patriots gauges were off by the same amount as the logo gauge when they were inflating the balls to 13 and 12.5 respectively. It is not making up evidence to conclude that that is unlikely and to conclude that it is "more probable" that Anderson used the non-logo gauge. Again, someone hired by Brady would reach the opposite conclusion. Welcome to the real world!
 
FWIW, I just checked the 2nd circuits website and they published 3 opinions today, two were argued before the court in August, however, the third was argued in February 2016.

I keep secretly holding out hope that they will rule for Brady before the draft and slap the NFL for its frame job.
 
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