NFL News Mike Tomlin stepping down

[raduray]

mediocre? he was a little bit better than that...

dude is a dink, no doubt about it... but its kinda an impressive coaching feat to never have a losing season...

Never having a losing season is quite the tease for the fans if they can't have success in the playoffs.
Take the Red Sox recently as an example. Are we entertained? Not so much.

 

[raduray]

Well I thought it was a dry market for HC's for teams moving on from their Ex's but Harbaugh and now Tomlin available certainly makes it an interesting one because they are big names and will get years of stability wherever they land.

Just like Pete Carroll?

 

[raduray]

Makes me really appreciate how lucky we have been to land Maye followed by Vrabel and Josh and the front office signings and the off-season and draft coupled with one of the easiest schedules we could land on...


This is an anomaly and not the norm . If I were a fan of a different team I would be super pissed looking at the pats..

This season really should get Kraft to the Hall of Fame.

 

[TommyD4207]

I don't understand the love for Stefanski given his track record with the Browns. Granted, ownership has totally f'd up the QB situation there.

He's the only coach in the history of that franchise to win a playoff game.

 

[Pape]

Never having a losing season is quite the tease for the fans if they can't have success in the playoffs.
Take the Red Sox recently as an example. Are we entertained? Not so much.

There is absolutely that aspect to it... but none the less, it is impressive... lots of fanbases would love to have back to back winning seasons, let alone 19 years of never having a losing one... guy can coach...

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

They haven't had a good QB since Big Ben and Tomlin knows how hard it is to get a good one. After Big Ben they have been a Perennial middle of the road 8 win team. That won't land you in the Top 4 of the Draft. I think Tomlin will take a year off and and look at the possibilities next Off-season. They're some "this is your last chance Head Coaches' who are going to have to win next year just to keep their jobs.

Your point about the qb is part of where they need to do some serious soul searching. it begs the question how much was Tomlin involved in their team building and the philosophy they had where they will mostly ignore making real investments in the qb position and instead invest around it since they seem to avoid losing seasons this way.

In 2019 when ben went down and it was clear that if he did return at all he was gonna be playing on borrowed time, they easily could’ve easily ‘tanked’ for that 2020 qb class without even trying to lose. They knew they had no shot at a title that year. Yet They go and trade a 1st rounder for a safety whos no longer with the team.

And now The last few years it should have been crystal clear to everyone in that front office they were going nowhere with this team, their best bet was to blow it up and start saving cap for the future, unintentionally intentionally tanking for a high pick. Instead they resign tj watt to a monster deal while hes already 30 and declining, trade for dk metcalf and Jalen ramsey, sign some more 30 year old players past their prime and over the hill qbs wilson and Rodgers. Going all in for a window that didn’t exist and continuing to ignore addressing long term qb. Unless tomlin was the major driving force behind these recent moves and the idiotic trade in 2019 putting this non losing streak alive before the good of the franchise, the Steelers have only eliminated a fraction of the problem by moving on.

 

[fourhour]

His thoughts on Tomlin's replacement is interesting.

 

[WhatJustHappened]

Your point about the qb is part of where they need to do some serious soul searching. it begs the question how much was Tomlin involved in their team building and the philosophy they had where they will mostly ignore making real investments in the qb position and instead invest around it since they seem to avoid losing seasons this way.

In 2019 when ben went down and it was clear that if he did return at all he was gonna be playing on borrowed time, they easily could’ve easily ‘tanked’ for that 2020 qb class without even trying to lose. They knew they had no shot at a title that year. Yet They go and trade a 1st rounder for a safety whos no longer with the team.

And now The last few years it should have been crystal clear to everyone in that front office they were going nowhere with this team, their best bet was to blow it up and start saving cap for the future, unintentionally intentionally tanking for a high pick. Instead they resign tj watt to a monster deal while hes already 30 and declining, trade for dk metcalf and Jalen ramsey, sign some more 30 year old players past their prime and over the hill qbs wilson and Rodgers. Going all in for a window that didn’t exist and continuing to ignore addressing long term qb. Unless tomlin was the major driving force behind these recent moves and the idiotic trade in 2019 putting this non losing streak alive before the good of the franchise, the Steelers have only eliminated a fraction of the problem by moving on.

They probably drafted most years around 20. Not MANY reveals around there IMO... And I can't stand him.

 

[PATSYLICIOUS]

They probably drafted most years around 20. Not MANY reveals around there IMO... And I can't stand him.

2020 if they kept their 1st they would have had choices even around 20. And like i said if they would’ve committed to a rebuild like they should’ve years ago instead of chasing a non extistent window they would have some higher picks.

Plus trades are an option. The bills and chiefs had winning records before drafting mahomes and allen and gave up big capital to get high enough. Theres just no excuse when kenny pickett is your only true investment in the position over a 7 year span, and he shouldn’t even count tbh because they took him like 3 rounds too high lol

 

[Brotherblues]

Steelers are a storied Franchise and their playoff record under Tomlin the past 10 years has been abysmal
They've been massacred too not even close games besides the Jags one in 2017

More than 10 years. It goes back to that SB where they put a ring on Rodger's finger. Most of the losses in that long brutal stretch were with Roethlisberger at the helm.

 

[rkarp1]

One weird thing about Tomlin is for a guy who's been coaching 20 years he has no coaching tree at all like who are his coaches who left and went somewhere else?

Even Bill had loads they failed but there was at least a tree, Tomlin doesn't even have a branch now i think about it, there's none.

Bruce Arians worked for him and went on to become a head coach but he was never a Tomlin guy.

Haley?
but I agree, for such a long career, really thin tree

 

[1960Pats]

I suppose that his record was mediocre if the standard in the success of the patriots with Brady. Surely, a better coach would have done better, as Belichick surely would have without Brady. NOT

I've never understood the way fans here mock the guy.

If it was so easy to have a winning record without a decent QB then how did BB end up with 8 losing seasons out of his 12 without Brady?

 

[DC Patriots]

He also kept Ben, Antonio Brown and L’veon Bell together, not killing each other or getting arrested.

In hindsight that was a significant accomplishment

 

[rkarp1]

Your point about the qb is part of where they need to do some serious soul searching. it begs the question how much was Tomlin involved in their team building and the philosophy they had where they will mostly ignore making real investments in the qb position and instead invest around it since they seem to avoid losing seasons this way.

In 2019 when ben went down and it was clear that if he did return at all he was gonna be playing on borrowed time, they easily could’ve easily ‘tanked’ for that 2020 qb class without even trying to lose. They knew they had no shot at a title that year. Yet They go and trade a 1st rounder for a safety whos no longer with the team.

And now The last few years it should have been crystal clear to everyone in that front office they were going nowhere with this team, their best bet was to blow it up and start saving cap for the future, unintentionally intentionally tanking for a high pick. Instead they resign tj watt to a monster deal while hes already 30 and declining, trade for dk metcalf and Jalen ramsey, sign some more 30 year old players past their prime and over the hill qbs wilson and Rodgers. Going all in for a window that didn’t exist and continuing to ignore addressing long term qb. Unless tomlin was the major driving force behind these recent moves and the idiotic trade in 2019 putting this non losing streak alive before the good of the franchise, the Steelers have only eliminated a fraction of the problem by moving on.

the league changed, and the Steelers did not.
teams need some innovation, individual game planning, player development. not simply a "franchise QB".
If you are going to have a culture changer, tone setter as a HC, that HC needs co ordinators that are keeping up with the changes in the league.
We see Dan Campbell win big with Ben Johnson. not so much with out Johnson. Tomlin definitely set a tone. but his roster and schemes fell behind the league.
I honestly see Vrabel in the same light. he reset the Pats. changed their mindset. sold players on coming here. has them playing very hard for 60 minutes. but without McD, or an OC like him, where is the team and where is Maye?

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Harbaugh and Tomlin are both good coaches who just need different scenery. Tomlin should have been gone 4-5 years ago however

 

[BTTA]

Pittsburgh coaches have a tradition of superficial tough guy act that I find silly. They all had/have a "fight me" face as a routine way of engaging the world. Why people broadcast their insecurities like that is always puzzling.
And for the life of me, I don't understand why professional football players tolerate it.
Beyond that, the guy deserves a lot of credit for being good at his profession.

 

[StockingAnarchyNumber12]

Pittsburgh coaches have a tradition of superficial tough guy act that I find silly. They all had/have a "fight me" face as a routine way of engaging the world. Why people broadcast their insecurities like that is always puzzling.
And for the life of me, I don't understand why professional football players tolerate it.
Beyond that, the guy deserves a lot of credit for being good at his profession.

I think he’s good at his profession too but I find the last 4-5 or maybe even 7-8 years the Steelers have been “good” but they’ve been in ultimate purgatory. Tomlin might win you 9 games and it means you get to watch another winning season but it also means you’re either missing the playoffs or getting blown out in the wildcard. I just think he ran his course in Pittsburgh.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I've never understood the way fans here mock the guy.

If it was so easy to have a winning record without a decent QB then how did BB end up with 8 losing seasons out of his 12 without Brady?

I certainly think Tomlin is a good coach and the accomplishment is impressive. But the Steelers haven't been a real threat to the Patriots in about 20 years. The fear is the Steelers hire someone who will turn the Steelers into a team that actually can be intimidating.

 

[rkarp1]

"ran his course". "change of scenery"
for me, both mean he got stale. his team got stale.
they could not get Rudolph, Fields or Pickett to another level. they were stale with Russ. They were stale with Rodgers.

 

[ALP]

Tomlin had a .600 winning record since 2020. Arguably he got better the most recent years, especially in light of the QBs he’s had those same years