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Hes better than a JAG. Moving on.
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He isn’t getting 7.5 of new money and when he is healthy he is certainly worth that.I think that investigation needs to be played out. Either way hes not worth $7.55 of cap space. Hes hasn't performed at that level to justify it.
I think the point was that it's not prudent to cut a key starter who's under contract before you have an adequate (or superior) replacement in hand, especially if the position is thin to begin with.
I don't think that the Pats have enough leverage in this situation at the moment to hardball Cannon into a pay cut.
We are leading our division and working toward a first round bye.No. I do not. Always want to win.
I think it’s a legit question : is there enough here to build upon and win it all or are the key contributors no longer able to make it to the championship ? I don’t know the answer. I suspect BB has a better idea.
Who is defending two tackles? I'm hammering Cannon. I think Brown and the IOL have played well overall.You're constructing a straw man and I suspect it's because you know you're defending two tackles that haven't played as well as they should be or have.
I've never made the claim at the OL as a whole is ****ty. If you believe that I did make that case, you're more than welcome to quote me.
I've merely made the case that Brown is boom or bust and Cannon has regressed. Therefore, the tackles are a liability. You decided to use sacks and pressures, when you clearly know better to judge an OL in front of Tom Brady by that, as a response.
er eh what???They weren't great in Pittsburgh, but played well enough to get the win (getting called for holding five times is bs). Hope Wynn is ready to go next season, sucks Garcia suddenly got sick and we lost him and now Wynn tears his Achilles.
Sure. Its a combination of factors. Tom is one of the best of all time at getting the ball out, calling the right protections, sliding around the pocket, etc. He helps his line a ton. That is not lost on me.I was just showing how an o line with virtually the same players can jump from 21 sacks with a great QB to 47 sacks with a mediocre QB.
The o line last year is obviously different then the one from 2007 - 2009. Also, the game has changed since then as well.
RW,
I think Thuney has been better this year but I'd be careful with what BB says about certain players....didn't he praise Elandon Roberts earlier in the year and we all know what type of player he is (Sorry, couldn't go another post without mentioning him)
Cap space.He isn’t getting 7.5 of new money and when he is healthy he is certainly worth that.
Much better than a JAG, Leonardo
Cap space.
Thats the problem with him. Since 2015 hes missed an entire seasons worth of games which is why even $7.5m of new money is out of line
Tom does get the ball out quickly though.
2007 - Brady QB - sacked 21x
2008 - Cassel QB - sacked 47x
2009 - Brady QB - sacked 18x
Brady has made many lineman look better then they are
Hes improved but to @ashley1992 point if he was cut next year and Bentley took all his reps the D would be better.Through wk-14, Roberts was 4th on the Pats in tackles, tied for 4th in PDs, and 2nd in TFL (to Flowers) - while playing less than 50% of the D-snaps.
As in they weren’t the reason they lost. The false starts were bad, but the holding was kinda bs. If receivers hadn’t dropped some many balls, the line had played well enough to win that game. Brady had time to throw.er eh what???
I know that. Andy was making a point.He isn't getting $7.5M of new money.
Of the $7.5M cap figure that you keep citing, he's already pocketed a significant portion of that and the Patriots aren't getting it back no matter what choice they make.
Who is defending two tackles? I'm hammering Cannon. I think Brown and the IOL have played well overall.
Brown was s strength 3 weeks ago now hes a liability? He played like dog **** in Pitt and missed a couple of blocks vs MIA but prior to that he was playing pretty damn well.
I really don't know why sacks and pressures allowed can't be used as meaningful stats to judge the overall play of a line. How do you propose we measure the value of a o line?
Relying on PFF is no way to go through life.
Washington Post has him down for 0 sacks allowed this year.
Football | NFL | Player Stats - Joe Thuney - New England Patriots - washingtonpost.com
Cap space isn’t the decision, new money is.Cap space.
Thats the problem with him. Since 2015 hes missed an entire seasons worth of games which is why even $7.5m of new money is out of line
I know that. Andy was making a point.
Look at 2019 and beyond and tell me what you see if hes cut and what the team saves on the cap. We keep talking past each other.
Marcus Cannon
Chipping and double teams are common. Especially combo blocking on the inside.Except Brown is not playing well overall. He's fine in spurts and he's an absolute liability in others.
This is pretty much the definition of an up and down, boom or bust OL.
Using sacks and pressures to analyze OL, and particularly OT play, is meaningless when the quarterback is operating in an offense that emphasizes a quick passing game and has one of the faster releases in the NFL (and NFL history) to boot. If you want to better analyze it, you should be looking at how often the tackles have someone chip their guy or outright double him in obvious passing situations. Analyze that and you'll get a good idea of where the tackle play is with specific regard to pass pro in 2018.