gitgronked82
2nd Team Getting Their First Start
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For the second video, it makes me click on the link to go to Youtube rather than watching it embedded on this site. I think some issue with official NFL content. But maybe it's restricted in your country.I appreciate the answer, but... It doesnt sell it for me. First of all, your second video is unavailable to me (must be country reason, but idk)
But if I take your first video, using the Glance as an example, there are 5 samplesright? 4 passes (1, 2, 3, 5), 1 run (4).
I do not like the fact that the decision-making process goes through ONE route, being the Glance:
1st - it's simplistic. I like it simplicity, but to have it being 1/3rd of your chances for a first down based on a momentanous QB read? I think it makes way more sense when you have an un-even playing field (which is my opinion on college football, although Ill be the first to say that Im dumb in this aspect...) and you know you have the better pieces.
Like, in the NFL, how many OLBs would simply... stay put, or have the jumping ability or the awareness to not get fooled by the RPO and simply delay their action a fraction? if the opponent is a RPO heavy team, they will be coached to expect these... These small advantage, localized in ONE area (in this case, the Glance Route) are, to me, gold's fooly in a uber athletic, competitive playing field. And these guys, especially a good one, or a good coach, will have safeguards to defend the run/pass...
Just to be clear, Im not trying to change your mind or anything, but I think the opportunity cost is just not there for RPO's.... you can blame microeconomics for this one: I'd rather have the full team focused on doing ALL routes/blocking/ whatever for one specific play making sure everyone has a chance to "become open", then risking all players "knowing" the best course of action based on ONE read that only the QB and the WR do (basically)
I have more to say about your first paragraph (ok, one route is the hot route, but aren't you relying on the others to be good "long term" developers if your run option is a no-go and your primary is unobtainable?). Im liking this discussion, so I hope I was understandable. If there is anything I wasnt too clear, let me know
You're of course entitled to like/dislike a play concept, but there are some valid rebuttals to the points you raised.
First, to lay out how RPO's generally work, the OL/TE's all block the run play. They execute the full play assuming it's a run play, and the QB has the option to pull the ball and throw it. OL doesn't pass set- they do whatever they would do on the called run play (say inside zone, for a common RPO call). It's strictly less simplistic than any run play. Rather than only having the option to hand off, you have the option to hand off that same run play OR to pull and throw. So if you oppose it due to simplicity, you oppose almost all run plays. So when you bring up the micro/macro issue and say you'd rather have the whole team focus on ALL routes/blocking or whatever, they're still doing that. The OL are all still running a full run play. RPO's are, by definition, less limiting than a typical run play.
There can also be multiple route options. You can have the glance on the left side and a slant/bubble combo on the right side. That's fairly common as well. So not limited to just one route the QB can throw.
The read of the LB/SS in terms of whether to hand off or pull and throw isn't the only read being made in the play, too, of course. OL and RB still make their reads (read the fronts, read the blocks) like any normal run play.
The QB's decision flow of whether to hand it off or throw the glance route isn't less restricted than plenty of passing concepts. You put one defender in conflict and choose the more open between the two offensive players stressing that defender. This is similar to reading a defender on a high low concept in the passing game, which I'm sure you wouldn't oppose. But in this case instead of choosing between, say, the dig and the drag, you choose between the Izone handoff and the glance route.
Yes, defenses will know it's coming, but it's really hard to stop. It does put the defender in conflict. Same way defenses know that offenses run play actions, yet linebackers still bite and fill run gaps, leaving their zones open. You have often have to commit to trying to stop one action, which exposes the other action. If you just kind of play in between or try to bait one of them, you may leave both open (or the QB may read you well). They're also designed to make it hard to do that. The field is stretched out so you can't be in two places at once.
It works well in the NFL. Plenty of teams run it. Teams with great QBs (the Bills with Allen, the Chiefs with Mahomes), teams with solid QBs (the 2017 Eagles with Wentz), and teams with limited QBs (the 2021 Dolphins with Tua).












