Lombardi believes Pats will trade Garoppolo to the Browns

[farn]

It would be interesting to see what this team would look like w JG as the starter. But, I'm with the "stop being crazy, Brady's the man" crew. Even if JG is excellent until 2025 & Brady decides to hang up the cleats at 42, you can't seriously go against the proven winner who still competes at a top-of-the-League level every week.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I agree that on paper Cleveland seems to make most sense. What is the point of having all those additional draft picks if you don't try to use them on getting the most important piece of the puzzle.. a good quarterback. Better take a shot in a year where you have tons of ammunition I suppose..

That being said the Bears make sense from a sentimental perspective because of all the Illinois connections between them and JG.

It could be an interesting offseason because of this entire dynamic..

Ideally you could create a bidding war between Cleveland and Chicago for Garrapolo and tell them a high first is the asking price with the higher pick getting him. Looking at their impending cap space and the free agent class I think Belichick will have excess money available to roll into 2018 and will seriously consider rolling the franchise money needed to tag Garrapolo into the 2018 free agency and put off his decision on the QB situation until 2019 unless a team blows him away with an offer for Garrapolo, so he's not working from a position of weakness and can play teams as hard as he wants for him.

 

[TBR]

Well there goes that dream... and Garrett's career.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I think it might definitely be worth keeping JG. I just don't see how it can possibly happen given Brady's contract and the fact that next season is the final year of JG's contract and he won't stay here to be a backup (nor should he).

If they have over fifty mi!!ion in cap space I could see Belichick pushing a big chunk of it forward to tag Garrapolo and put off the decision until 2019. Given Belichick's ability to maximize cap space it's certainly possible.

 

[PatriotsReign]

It's actually speculation founded by the current and near term contractual & cap situation of Brady's and his current level of play.

"Current level" as in "best in the league"?

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ideally you could create a bidding war between Cleveland and Chicago for Garrapolo and tell them a high first is the asking price with the higher pick getting him. Looking at their impending cap space and the free agent class I think Belichick will have excess money available to roll into 2018 and will seriously consider rolling the franchise money needed to tag Garrapolo into the 2018 free agency and put off his decision on the QB situation until 2019 unless a team blows him away with an offer for Garrapolo, so he's not working from a position of weakness and can play teams as hard as he wants for him.

It is absolutely 50/50 that BB pushes a substantial amount of cap space to 2018.

 

[RobertWeathers]

"Current level" as in "best in the league"?

Exactly.

 

[mosslost]

Actually, that franchise left for Baltimore and became the ratbirds. But I agree on the Jags comparison.

actually, the town sued and got to keep all the history and the records. (Like NFL Championships, HOF players, etc. so yes, the old "franchize" left, but they lost all the lawsuits, and the Browns are still the Browns in CLeveland.

 

[Ring 6]

Ideally you could create a bidding war between Cleveland and Chicago for Garrapolo and tell them a high first is the asking price with the higher pick getting him. Looking at their impending cap space and the free agent class I think Belichick will have excess money available to roll into 2018 and will seriously consider rolling the franchise money needed to tag Garrapolo into the 2018 free agency and put off his decision on the QB situation until 2019 unless a team blows him away with an offer for Garrapolo, so he's not working from a position of weakness and can play teams as hard as he wants for him.

Stop. No one is trading the #1 pick or anything near it fit a guy who came into the league with a 2nd-3rd round grade, is 3 years older, has played a game and a half and been idle for the rest of 3 years no matter how many patriot homers think so.

 

[luuked]

That's a very romantic view of the world, and as a huge Brady fan going back to his Michigan days, I really hope you are right.

However, I doubt it will happen that way.

The majority of recent good QBs don't end up walking away from the game and their team on their own terms. Elway is the obvious example, and Marino and Kelly walked away as well.

There are guys who stayed with one team but had to walk away early because of injuries. Aikman is an example of that.

But it's hard for a star QB, the ultimate competitor, to just flick the switch off. Manning's injuries played a part in the Colts parting with him, but he wasn't ready to leave the game. Same with Montana. Ditto Favre, who did the ultimate **** YOU to Packers fans by eventually joining the Vikings after a year-long stint with the Jets. Warner bounced around a bit after the Rams. Cunningham, Bledsoe, McNabb, McNair, so many others couldn't just walk away from the game when their games started to decline.

And Brady is more competitive than all of those guys. He's spent his entire life working to extend his career. Every meal, every workout, every nap is designed to give him an extra year or two or three. You think he's walking away from the game?

That's not how he's wired. He was the 6th-string guy at Michigan, the 4th-string guy in New England, he pushed himself to primary backup to quality game manager to Pro Bowler to HOFer to GOAT. You really think he's going to just turn off that competitive drive when his game slips a bit?

His contracts are structured to make it as painful as possible to cut him, while being as team-friendly as possible. Even if his game slips a bit, he's making only a touch more than Ryan Tannehill or Colin Kaepernick so he doesn't need to justify a top-3 salary anymore.

A lot could happen between now and Brady's retirement. Injuries may rob us of seeing the story play out. Who knows? And maybe he could just one day wake up and decide he's done with it. But knowing everything we know about Brady, I just can't see him spending so much of his life trying to maximize and extend his career, then walking away earlier than he has to.

First of all I don't see it romantic at all but simply pragmatic...

I am reading Brady's personality different than you do. I think that his ultra competitiveness will make it extremely difficult for him to accept anything but excellence from himself, his coaching staff, the playcalling and of course his teammates. You see how clearly frustrated he got when he was missing all those throws in the two weeks when he was still affected by the knee injury. I just don't see him extending his career once he gets to the point where issues like that become a norm. He doesn't seem to be as driven as many other QBs to break some - ultimately meaningless - records and playing 1-2 additional seasons just to do that.

On another level -- and I tried to allude to this before -- trading him would suddenly send him into a different system, with different players and different coaches at an age where there is not much sense in being part of a semi-rebuild. Even if he'd be traded to a team that is run by McD it would take a non-trivial amount of time until that team can be run the same way that the Patriots offense is.

Finally, I don't see BB moving on from Brady until it really is in the best interest of the team to do so. I don't think it needs to be mentioned but Brady is a huge locker room presence (!!!!), is extremely cost efficient and above all is still in the elite group of QBs. And once we reach the point where he is not that anymore, it would also be the point where he wouldn't be walking away earlier than necessary but at a time where he can't continue doing his favorite thing.. winning.

 

[luuked]

Stop. No one is trading the #1 pick or anything near it fit a guy who came into the league with a 2nd-3rd round grade, is 3 years older, has played a game and a half and been idle for the rest of 3 years no matter how many patriot homers think so.

I don't think anyone reasonably assumes that we could get the #1 pick. But the second first round pick Cleveland has is certainly the minimum at which any trade negotiation would make sense.

 

[luuked]

Ideally you could create a bidding war between Cleveland and Chicago for Garrapolo and tell them a high first is the asking price with the higher pick getting him. Looking at their impending cap space and the free agent class I think Belichick will have excess money available to roll into 2018 and will seriously consider rolling the franchise money needed to tag Garrapolo into the 2018 free agency and put off his decision on the QB situation until 2019 unless a team blows him away with an offer for Garrapolo, so he's not working from a position of weakness and can play teams as hard as he wants for him.

Maybe.

I agree that we are in a pretty convenient situation with JG where holding on a year wouldn't be that bad. But on the other hand the QB draft landscape is pretty barren, JG's performances are still somewhat recent and his contract's relative affordability gives the Pats even more leverage for more compensation on the trade table.

It will be an interesting offseason..

 

[RobertWeathers]

Stop. No one is trading the #1 pick or anything near it fit a guy who came into the league with a 2nd-3rd round grade, is 3 years older, has played a game and a half and been idle for the rest of 3 years no matter how many patriot homers think so.

You underestimate his value.

He has spent 3 years being coached by Bill and having a front row seat to how TB12 goes about his job.

While the sample size of game action is small, his 6 quarters of NFL game action only helped him.

The # of QB needy teams will determine how much Jimmy fetches and it'll be a helluva lot more than a 3rd.

At a minimum he will fetch a high 2nd or low 1st.

 

[jimnance]

Stop. No one is trading the #1 pick or anything near it fit a guy who came into the league with a 2nd-3rd round grade, is 3 years older, has played a game and a half and been idle for the rest of 3 years no matter how many patriot homers think so.

Andy-youre WAY off base here. You dont know better than anyone else what another qb-starved team will or wont offer for jg. Youre acting like you know this for a fact.

Nobody here has said the pats are going to get the #1 pick for jg for a FACT-people have merely speculated that its not impossible. It only came up because of lombardis quote of cleve will try to trade for jg and they will probably have the #1 pick. No ones even saying its the most LIKELY scenario.But for you to unequivically say NO WAY is ridiculous.

Some of the reasons you mentioned above actually ADD to jgs value, not subtract from it. , e.g. 3 years watching tb12 and being in the most complex offense in the league-that ADDS GREATLY to jgs value-jg is worth MUCH more today than he was 3 years ago.

The questions people had about him coming out of college are similar to the questions most college qbs have today-he had almost ZERO college exp. snapping from center and playing primarily from the pocket-knowing how to read defenses, going thru progressions. He now has 3 valuable years of experience with that.

In a qb-starved nfl-where you have very little shot of contending for anything w/o at least a GOOD qb-it only takes one team to make the move. JG is an upgrade over at least 1/3 of current nfl starters. Its a weak qb draft. Pats will never have more leverage in atrade than this offseason. If they tagged him(doubt theyd do that), then they lose most of their leverage for 2018-then maybe they DONT get a 1st rounder.

I think a 1st round pick is very reasonable for jg-a 2nd rounder who has become much more valuable today than he was 3 years ago. If youre a team that needs a qb-a crappy team especially, look around the nfl and the draft-what are your options? Romo only makes sense for a team that has a lot of talent everywhere but qb. For teams like cleve, chi etc. what other options do they have?

 

[Ring 6]

You underestimate his value.

He has spent 3 years being coached by Bill and having a front row seat to how TB12 goes about his job.

While the sample size of game action is small, his 6 quarters of NFL game action only helped him.

The # of QB needy teams will determine how much Jimmy fetches and it'll be a helluva lot more than a 3rd.

At a minimum he will fetch a high 2nd or low 1st.

There is zero evidence that being coached by belichick or watching Brady helps any QB not named Brady.
I think a high second is about right and a late first could possibly happen but people talking about overall #1 are crazy.

 

[Huckleberry1]

You underestimate his value.

He has spent 3 years being coached by Bill and having a front row seat to how TB12 goes about his job.

While the sample size of game action is small, his 6 quarters of NFL game action only helped him.

The # of QB needy teams will determine how much Jimmy fetches and it'll be a helluva lot more than a 3rd.

At a minimum he will fetch a high 2nd or low 1st.

I think Belichick has all the leverage and the only way he is traded is if some team gives up a high first or later first plus a second,with the latter possibly put off a year, e.g. 2017 1st and 2018 2nd. Many will see this as a pipe dream but imo Belichick isn't under any pressure to move Garrapolo and may well want to keep him long term so a team will have to go all the way up to his price or he will decline the offer.

 

[Ring 6]

Andy-youre WAY off base here. You dont know better than anyone else what another qb-starved team will or wont offer for jg. Youre acting like you know this for a fact.

Nobody here has said the pats are going to get the #1 pick for jg for a FACT-people have merely speculated that its not impossible. It only came up because of lombardis quote of cleve will try to trade for jg and they will probably have the #1 pick. No ones even saying its the most LIKELY scenario.But for you to unequivically say NO WAY is ridiculous.

Some of the reasons you mentioned above actually ADD to jgs value, not subtract from it. , e.g. 3 years watching tb12 and being in the most complex offense in the league-that ADDS GREATLY to jgs value-jg is worth MUCH more today than he was 3 years ago.

The questions people had about him coming out of college are similar to the questions most college qbs have today-he had almost ZERO college exp. snapping from center and playing primarily from the pocket-knowing how to read defenses, going thru progressions. He now has 3 valuable years of experience with that.

In a qb-starved nfl-where you have very little shot of contending for anything w/o at least a GOOD qb-it only takes one team to make the move. JG is an upgrade over at least 1/3 of current nfl starters. Its a weak qb draft. Pats will never have more leverage in atrade than this offseason. If they tagged him(doubt theyd do that), then they lose most of their leverage for 2018-then maybe they DONT get a 1st rounder.

I think a 1st round pick is very reasonable for jg-a 2nd rounder who has become much more valuable today than he was 3 years ago. If youre a team that needs a qb-a crappy team especially, look around the nfl and the draft-what are your options? Romo only makes sense for a team that has a lot of talent everywhere but qb. For teams like cleve, chi etc. what other options do they have?

I'm way off base to say Jimmy g won't get traded for the #1 overall pick? Come on.

I know that we want to believe other teams are going to our more value in him by association but Matt cassell Brian hoyer Ryan mallet Kevin O'Connell matt Gutierrez show that just doesn't happen.

Teams will not give up very high picks for a guy who is already 3 years older and hasn't answered the questions that made him but be a high pick to begin with other than in a pretty good game and a half of a very good one.

Fans on this board were saying we would be lucky to go 2-2 with him. 6 quarters isn't going to make this a 180.
I wish it would but remember fans here were talking about the #1 (ok they were nuts) or first pick in round 2 from Houston for Ryan mallet.

 

[RobertWeathers]

There is zero evidence that being coached by belichick or watching Brady helps any QB not named Brady.
I think a high second is about right and a late first could possibly happen but people talking about overall #1 are crazy.

1st overall is madness- I agree.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think Belichick has all the leverage and the only way he is traded is if some team gives up a high first or later first plus a second,with the latter possibly put off a year, e.g. 2017 1st and 2018 2nd. Many will see this as a pipe dream but imo Belichick isn't under any pressure to move Garrapolo and may well want to keep him long term so a team will have to go all the way up to his price or he will decline the offer.

IMO is all about supply vs demand.

By my amateur count, in CHI, CLE, NYJ and SF there are 4 teams with desperate QB situations and maybe a couple of others like AZ and maybe SD ($20m cap hit in 2017 and if Rivers leaves after June 1 its only a $6m hit) that might want to think seriously about how to free up cap space and get younger at the QB position.

While its very early, my understanding is the draft only has a couple of QBs with 1st round grades.

For QB FAs, you have Cutler and while there may be a suprise name out there, no one has the cache to save a franchise.

For those reasons, while I think Jimmy G is worth a high 2nd/low 1st, depending on how the market develops the NEP could be looking at a mid round 1st for Jimmy G.

 

[Ring 6]

IMO is all about supply vs demand.

By my amateur count, in CHI, CLE, NYJ and SF there are 4 teams with desperate QB situations and maybe a couple of others like AZ and maybe SD ($20m cap hit in 2017 and if Rivers leaves after June 1 its only a $6m hit) that might want to think seriously about how to free up cap space and get younger at the QB position.

While its very early, my understanding is the draft only has a couple of QBs with 1st round grades.

For QB FAs, you have Cutler and while there may be a suprise name out there, no one has the cache to save a franchise.

For those reasons, while I think Jimmy G is worth a high 2nd/low 1st, depending on how the market develops the NEP could be looking at a mid round 1st for Jimmy G.

All those teams are way more than a QB away. Forget it's the patriots and realize those teams are building for the long term. Do you take the 15th (or whatever) best guy who is 20-21 years old and bring him into your system ( which you believe is the right system) and develop the talent or give away the pick for a guy who is 25 (or whatever he is I didn't look it up) and had say for 3 years playing in a unique system that needs a guy as good as Tom Brady to run it and no one else who came from it ever went in to success elsewhere.

I know we think those teams emulate and worship at the feet of the patriots and beg for scraps but that really isn't the case.