Let's talk Trade DOWN options

[Brick27]

You create a great question. If Egbuka is what you suggest, and I’ll give an example and say Tyler Boyd. Is that worth a 1st that you trade a 2 and a 3 to move up to the 20s for, in your opinion?

In my opinion…I am throwing out one scenario of the countless, and not insinuating they’d trade down with the thought in mind of, “hey let’s drop down and trade up to get Egbuka”. I’m saying there are a lot of scenarios where things land different ways—some more expected than others. Boyd is not a comparison to my example from a production standpoint or the prospect Egbuka is, so I don’t know what to say there. Feel free to dazzle me with what the lone solution is for the Pats and what all the answers are though.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I could be 100% wrong on Campbell, but he's a fkn stud IMO.
Membou is a RT, and Simmons incurred a SERIOUS KNEE Injury.
Maybe they trade down, if so, better grab a starter.

Gator armed Campbell is not a stud at tackle in the nfl, he would be a stud guard tho. Do you draft a guard at 4th overall? I say no way

 

[hornetfb85]

Or a bust

Maybe. There are a bunch of Egbuka’s in the league. I’d take a chance on Golden.

 

[Ray Ray 717]

I feel that Campbell is the pick. He may struggle with a few long arm pass rushers, but he will never be as bad as Lowe. He might even be very good. If not, you use a 3rd round pick on another LT and move Campbell to guard by mid season. He then becomes Joe Thuney. That is still a win.

Simmons is allegedly ahead of schedule and will work out my mid April. That will be interesting.

If Campbell is moved to guard you just wasted the 4th overall pick on someone in a non premium position who can’t score touchdowns or who can’t sack the QB.

 

[VJCPatriot]

I don't see the Raiders moving up after trading for Geno Smith.

If you want to trade down, your best hope might be that another team falls in love with Travis Hunter or someone else. So, what would it take for you to trade out of a spot where you could pick Hunter?

Geno Smith is a 34 year old journeyman QB. He'll turn 35 a month into the season. I don't think he's the future of the Raiders but he'll be their starter this year. This shouldn't deter them from taking a franchise QB if they feel Shadeur Sanders will be that guy.

 

[Ring 6]

Maybe. There are a bunch of Egbuka’s in the league. I’d take a chance on Golden.

We don’t have an Egbuka. We’ve had enough busts.

 

[Ring 6]

In my opinion…I am throwing out one scenario of the countless, and not insinuating they’d trade down with the thought in mind of, “hey let’s drop down and trade up to get Egbuka”. I’m saying there are a lot of scenarios where things land different ways—some more expected than others. Boyd is not a comparison to my example from a production standpoint or the prospect Egbuka is, so I don’t know what to say there. Feel free to dazzle me with what the lone solution is for the Pats and what all the answers are though.

I chose Boyd because he fit the “800 yard guy” you mentioned. He had 5 straight years 2 just over 1000, 2 in the 800s and a 762.

My question wasn’t to compare him to Egbuka.

My question was this and only this if you traded up to late round 1 took Egbuka and he became WR2 at about 800 yards for 6-8 years, are you happy with the move?

I think it’s an interesting question, mire simplistically , what would you need to get to say it worked out.

 

[Hawaiipatsfan2]

With the lack of high-quality players at the top of round 1, a lot of teams will be trying to trade down IMO. It’s going to be very difficult to find a trade down partner.

The lack of talent can actually go both ways. You’ll have teams who are locked in on a few players and will spend to get “their guy” due to the talent pool being smaller.

 

[Pape]

I could be 100% wrong on Campbell, but he's a fkn stud IMO.
Membou is a RT, and Simmons incurred a SERIOUS KNEE Injury.
Maybe they trade down, if so, better grab a starter.

LT all the way

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

So who would want Shadeur Sanders?

What about the Raiders who are now owned by old friend Tom Brady?

We could swap our #4 pick and our #69 pick, for their #6 and their #37 pick. They get their QB and we get an extra 2nd round pick.

I would take this if Hunter is gone and the Raiders are game, but I doubt that they are. I think could just stay at 6 and still get Sanders.

But if Travis Hunter is available at 4, take him! But consider that other teams will be very hot for Hunter and we could get a boatload of picks from a team that wants him....but you hate to pass on a talent like Hunter.

 

[farn]

Campbell doesn’t need to be Ogden or Joe Thomas for him to be a worthy pick at #4. If he becomes Light or Solder it’s worthwhile.

 

[Patsfan1645]

If all we had was to watch Campbell's game play and knew nothing about measurements most on here would be all in on drafting him. He clearly looks the part of a good to great LT. I think back to pics of Brady at the combine and everyone saying he has no athleticism and would at best be a back up. No one could measure the fight in the dog and right now I bet Will Campbell is fuming inside because its all about a tape measurement and less about the body of work. I am warming up to if Carter/Hunter are gone taking him and lets see if he can shut up everyone moaning about his arm length. If he struggles (I'm not convinced he will) then move him to guard because he is going to be good at one position or the other.

 

[FredFromDartmouth]

If all we had was to watch Campbell's game play and knew nothing about measurements most on here would be all in on drafting him. He clearly looks the part of a good to great LT. ... I am warming up to if Carter/Hunter are gone taking him and lets see if he can shut up everyone moaning about his arm length. If he struggles (I'm not convinced he will) then move him to guard because he is going to be good at one position or the other.

I like what I saw of Campbell on tape (but what's with his upright stance?) so I guess I am OK with taking him at 4...but not if Hunter is there. I could pass on Carter (I think he is way overrated), but not on Hunter. If Hunter is gone and Campbell is available at 4, watched the Patriots take a LONG time to make the pick...trying, no doubt, to trade down but eventually taking Campbell. Not a sexy pick, but I doubt that the Patriots will find a trade partner.

 

[imahobgoblin]

If Campbell is moved to guard you just wasted the 4th overall pick on someone in a non premium position who can’t score touchdowns or who can’t sack the QB.

No you didn't. There are two premium players in this draft: Hunter and Carter. The level of difference between the next 10 guys is relatively nothing. That is not our fault. It is a weak draft at the top, and strong on TE, DL, and RB laster on. If Carter and Hunter are gone, it is very possible no one wants to trade up. We then have to pick. It is not a waste to pick any of the 10 guys who are equal. We cannot make people trade with us. You also cannot have your cake and eat it too. The complaint all offseason is that we only have 2 real talents on the team in Drake and Gonzo. Campbell will be successful in the NFL. It may be at guard, but he is a great talent. The goal of this team is just to get better. Its a process.

 

[Steve102]

LT all the way

I really think we, as a fan base, are way to hung up on the slot BS that the media/draftniks espouse. Simmons/Banks/Campbell aren't worth the #4 pick? Those guys should be available later in the top 10. Awesome. No one in the top 10 wants to move up to #4? Then what? Who's the consensus #4 pick? There isn't one? Make the pick.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Then, who you going to pick? Membou? He's been a RT.
LET'S experiment AGAIN.
No Thanks.

People need to get over the fact that Membou played RT at Mississippi. Most college tackles start out out either on the bench or at RT because upperclassmen are at LT. Membou is only 20 years old, and he no doubt played LT at his high school a couple of years before that. Being at right tackle at 20 doesn’t make you a right tackle for life. He’s massive and really athletic, they should have no problem moving him to left tackle.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Not certain on the 1st pick, but the more I think about someone like Egbuka, the more like the downside protection he offers as an investment. Seems like he’ll be a 700-800 yard guy for the better part of 8 years or so, and of course has the potential to hit a higher level—especially with who we feel could be a good QB in Maye.

In scenarios they trade down and use added ammo to trade up with their 2nd pick/the guy they target is snatched away.. would be content with someone like him. Especially if they go OL or a perceived boom or bust guy with their initial pick. Just one scenario of the countless, but *shrug*

The Patriots need players with high ceilings, not high floors. You don’t get better than the rest of the league by playing everything safe.

 

[Ring 6]

Campbell doesn’t need to be Ogden or Joe Thomas for him to be a worthy pick at #4. If he becomes Light or Solder it’s worthwhile.

Not really.

If we pick light at 6 and never got Seymour in 2001 are you good with that? How many rings would that have cost us?

 

[PatsFan2]

I don't see the Raiders moving up after trading for Geno Smith.

If you want to trade down, your best hope might be that another team falls in love with Travis Hunter or someone else. So, what would it take for you to trade out of a spot where you could pick Hunter?

Raiders might like King Tet or Sanders... don' rule out the Jets either.

 

[silentone]

QB Jaxson Dart is flying up a couple of draft boards.
Profootball Focus has his going #3 in their latest mock.
Mel Kiper has him going #9 in his latest mock.
If the interest continues to grow this could increase the value of Pats pick #4 or the value of later picks (in the case of the Pats trading down a few spots)