Jones Should Be Greatly Improved In 2022

[Ian]

Sure, but do you have any black mods? Just asking for a lawyer friend of mine.

LOL, I honestly don't know - and message boards are probably the best example of why racism is so ridiculous. People here are judged by what they post, not by anything else. Which is how it should be.

 

[Pape]

First off, I've already made it clear regarding the Brady forum - which I created - was a way for people to actively follow him and the team. I understand there were some who were upset he left, both with the team and for Brady's decision. There were people on both sides of the argument and rather than have a ton of threads about him and the Bucs on the main board, I set up that one so they wouldn't be stuck in a mega thread that would be difficult to follow.

Yes, I understand there were some who were upset with the people who supported him and not exclusively the laundry. Yes, I understand there were plenty of exchanges. However, everyone is free to do whatever they want when it comes to who they root for and I'm not getting into silly disagreements like that because last I checked, we're all adults here. The ignore function works for a reason and I enhanced it recently to help make it more effective. If you're ignoring someone and they keep going, then yes, that's when I'll get involved.

BTW, these general "mod" statements are irritating.

For the record, the current active Mods in this forum are:

Myself
@ashley1992
@Ross12
@jmt57

Other than political posts or anything inappropriate, or nasty posts aimed at other people, not a lot gets deleted here. They all help out in their free time and do a great job here. Also keep in mind it's impossible for us to read every single post in every single thread. That general statement targets just 4 of us, and it's not like any of us go looking to delete something and pick a fight with anyone.

We're just not always in the mood to get involved in disagreements that should be relatively easy for people to just disagree and - if necessary - put that person on ignore and move on. So if there's an issue, hit the report button or message me privately. But I hope I've made it known that there are only a few of us and I'm sure I don't speak for just myself when I say statements like this bothers me/us.

LOL, I honestly don't know - and message boards are probably the best example of why racism is so ridiculous. People here are judged by what they post, not by anything else. Which is how it should be.

@Ian ... i got this bro...

Sure, but do you have any black mods? Just asking for a lawyer friend of mine.

 

[Huckleberry1]

After all, this should be expected in the second year with a solid QB coach, a solid OC, and a top 10 group of WR's.

They have a Top 10 group of # 3 and # 4 WR’s, they don’t have a #1 or #2.

 

[Rob0729]

This is always an insane argument, literally everyone knew that when he was drafted that Allen was going to be a boom or bust developmental talent. Mac Jones was completely the opposite, he was sold as the most complete pro ready prospect.

It isn't an insane argument.

Just because Jones was a more NFL ready, he wasn't being sold as a complete pro ready prospect. No QB prospect is. Manning wasn't. Lawrence wasn't. Luck wasn't. The QB position in the NFL is so complicated and different than college even if the team ran a pro style offense. Yes, Alabama runs a pro style offense, but it isn't NFL offense. Nor is it all that close to the offense the Pats ran last year.

Jones ran a majority of plays in the play action or RPO. I read 58% of his plays his last year in college were play action or RPO. He rarely run passing plays this past year in either. And although some NFL teams do run a lot of RPO, it isn't considered a NFL style offense. In Miami, they geared the offense to make it more like Alabama's with a lot of RPO plays for Tua, McDaniels didn't do that for Jones. I can't find the actual percentage of plays he ran in play action or RPO, but I think it is under 20%. So that tells you that Jones had to learn learn how to play a completely different style of offense and is still learning it. Part of the reason why I want Bill O'Brien to come back is because he will run more RPO and play action to suit Jones' skills. McDaniels tried to groom Jones to run the Patriots offense. O'Brien is likely to make the Patriots offense a little more like Alabama's that suits Jones more in his early career.

Jones was more ready to come into the league and start as a rookie. But many people incorrectly take that as he is an almost complete product. He could potentially take as big of a jump over the next 3-4 years as Allen did in the same time frame after his rookie season. Both had a lot to work on, but different things to work on. And like Allen, Jones can make a big jump if he does. Maybe not as high as Allen, but who knows?

But my point is that a majority of the people thought Allen was trending towards bust after his rookie season and even after year 2.

A better comp for Jones though is Joe Burrow. Burrow had a weak to average arm when he came into the NFL. He is a little more athletic that Jones, but they were similar players coming into the league. He made a big second year jump especially in his arm strength.

 

[PATS16N0]

First off, I've already made it clear regarding the Brady forum - which I created - was a way for people to actively follow him and the team. I understand there were some who were upset he left, both with the team and for Brady's decision. There were people on both sides of the argument and rather than have a ton of threads about him and the Bucs on the main board, I set up that one so they wouldn't be stuck in a mega thread that would be difficult to follow.

Yes, I understand there were some who were upset with the people who supported him and not exclusively the laundry. Yes, I understand there were plenty of exchanges. However, everyone is free to do whatever they want when it comes to who they root for and I'm not getting into silly disagreements like that because last I checked, we're all adults here. The ignore function works for a reason and I enhanced it recently to help make it more effective. If you're ignoring someone and they keep going, then yes, that's when I'll get involved.

BTW, these general "mod" statements are irritating.

For the record, the current active Mods in this forum are:

Myself
@ashley1992
@Ross12
@jmt57

Other than political posts or anything inappropriate, or nasty posts aimed at other people, not a lot gets deleted here. They all help out in their free time and do a great job here. Also keep in mind it's impossible for us to read every single post in every single thread. That general statement targets just 4 of us, and it's not like any of us go looking to delete something and pick a fight with anyone.

We're just not always in the mood to get involved in disagreements that should be relatively easy for people to just disagree and - if necessary - put that person on ignore and move on. So if there's an issue, hit the report button or message me privately. But I hope I've made it known that there are only a few of us and I'm sure I don't speak for just myself when I say statements like this bothers me/us.

First off, I've already made it clear regarding the Brady forum - which I created - was a way for people to actively follow him and the team. I understand there were some who were upset he left, both with the team and for Brady's decision. There were people on both sides of the argument and rather than have a ton of threads about him and the Bucs on the main board, I set up that one so they wouldn't be stuck in a mega thread that would be difficult to follow.

Yes, I understand there were some who were upset with the people who supported him and not exclusively the laundry. Yes, I understand there were plenty of exchanges. However, everyone is free to do whatever they want when it comes to who they root for and I'm not getting into silly disagreements like that because last I checked, we're all adults here. The ignore function works for a reason and I enhanced it recently to help make it more effective. If you're ignoring someone and they keep going, then yes, that's when I'll get involved.

BTW, these general "mod" statements are irritating.

For the record, the current active Mods in this forum are:

Myself
@ashley1992
@Ross12
@jmt57

Other than political posts or anything inappropriate, or nasty posts aimed at other people, not a lot gets deleted here. They all help out in their free time and do a great job here. Also keep in mind it's impossible for us to read every single post in every single thread. That general statement targets just 4 of us, and it's not like any of us go looking to delete something and pick a fight with anyone.

We're just not always in the mood to get involved in disagreements that should be relatively easy for people to just disagree and - if necessary - put that person on ignore and move on. So if there's an issue, hit the report button or message me privately. But I hope I've made it known that there are only a few of us and I'm sure I don't speak for just myself when I say statements like this bothers me/us.

It’s your forum. You do all the work and invest all the time. I’m simply saying I personally would of carved out the cancer a long time ago.

In 2014, there were mods here (schmessy? I don’t remember their exact name) that would literally push Brady-trade, Tom-sucks conversations while simultaneously making criticism of Jimmy G a regulated offense.

I was literally forbidden from calling Jimmy G Janeane Garofalo.

There was a consensus forming around a ton of ****ing trolls that Tom was finished and Jimmy G was the future and it was ****ing miserable / super low IQ / highly antagonistic.

The anti-Tom train had its skids greased for a long time, well before he went to Tampa.

A lot of straight up trolls figured out they could come to this forum, literally just push Steeler/Colt/Bronco fan narratives about Tom, trash him 24/7, and then wrap themselves in Belichick “fandom” as a phony ass shield to spew their garbage from.

Never stopped.

 

[Sicilian]

I was literally forbidden from calling Jimmy G Janeane Garofalo.

My god, how can we live with ourselves being robbed of such wit...

 

[captain insano]

Yeah, now I’m a Bills fan because I know Mac Jones ****ing sucks compared to Josh Allen.

Good ****ing Lord, Red Sox fans MASQUERADING as Pat fans are ****ing insufferable AND ALWAYS ****ING HAVE BEEN.

No wonder Tom doesn’t like you.

 

[mgteich]

They have a Top 10 group of # 3 and # 4 WR’s, they don’t have a #1 or #2.

To be clear, the patriots

do NOT have a QB coach

do NOT have an OC, and

do NOT have a top 10 group of receivers.

 

[Tunescribe]

To be clear, the patriots

do NOT have a QB coach

do NOT have an OC, and

do NOT have a top 10 group of receivers.

Why so upbeat and optimistic? I mean, I've seen some homeristic displays here but but this goes over the top! Rein it in pal, let's be realistic about things.

 

[Joker]

you got season tickets, Tunes? you going to the games next season? stupid question...of course you are...because you're a Patriots fan. All you can really know is you'll get what you get...if you don't like it you can get rid of your seats. I know you wouldn't ever do that because then you'd miss fans like that 50 year old skinny black haired crack addict and her dipshyt "son" with the stupid azzed foot-sock gloves jumping up and down yelling "Yay! yay!" like a refugee from a Seattle recovery clinic.

 

[Tunescribe]

Mac competed in a contest of passing accuracy last night. He was embarrassing.

"Embarrassing"? You have GOT to be kidding. He wasn't "embarrassing," he was shamefully inept! It was the absolute worst display of alleged quarterback "skills" I've ever seen -- on national television, no less! I was so disgusted with that lame excuse for a performance that I destroyed the remote to my TV in an absolute fit of rage before grabbing all my Patriots gear and storming out of the house to light it on fire. You might've been embarrassed, I was LIVID! The neighbors even came outside to see why I was screaming and what I was burning. I told them, "This damn Mac Jones, he's a wasted draft pick and I can't stand it any longer!" They agreed, two of them bringing extra gasoline and a couple Pats jerseys of their own to stoke my bonfire of despair. My neighbor Chad (you might know him) said he hasn't slept since Tom Brady retired, knowing New England will never again witness competent quarterbacking in Foxboro. He asked when Jones might return from Las Vegas so he can meet him at Logan Airport and put him out of his misery. I said, "Don't be too hasty, Chad. It might be more prudent to ambush him on Route 1 and make it look like an accident." The worst part of all -- and everyone agreed, including Chad's grandmother -- was seeing Mac Jones crack a smile after getting trounced like a clueless weak-armed rookie. As if the little twit was actually having fun! At OUR expense! Damn him and the Patriots. Damn them all to hades.

 

[Tunescribe]

you got season tickets, Tunes? you going to the games next season? stupid question...of course you are...because you're a Patriots fan. All you can really know is you'll get what you get...if you don't like it you can get rid of your seats. I know you wouldn't ever do that because then you'd miss fans like that 50 year old skinny black haired crack addict and her dipshyt "son" with the stupid azzed foot-sock gloves jumping up and down yelling "Yay! yay!" like a refugee from a Seattle recovery clinic.

I dunno, Joe. The Brady worshipers/Buccaneers faithful don't want us to like Mac Jones. According to them Mac cannot improve, partly because he will have no coaching or receivers at all and partly because he won't be wearing No. 12. After 28 years I might have to forego those season tickets. It's hard to enjoy things you're not supposed to.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Mac competed in a contest of passing accuracy last night. He was embarrassing.

Who gives one sh.t about Pro Bowl skills challenges? If you do then that’s what is actually embarrassing. What’s next, he couldn’t lip sync on Tik Tok?

Mac Jones had a very good season for a rookie QB, and he helped them significantly in getting back into the playoffs, that’s what matters, not stupid sh.t like this.

 

[Huckleberry1]

Maybe I should go necrobump all my 2014 threads about how moving on from Tom Brady would ruin and kill this entire fanbase.

We can see who had some idea of what they were talking about, and who ****ing didn’t.

Do it. I argued harder than just about anyone here that Brady was still one of the best QB’s in football, and that Garrapolo should be traded. Bring those threads back up and we can see who said what? I greatly look forward to it.

That said your thread yesterday was disgraceful, as was your attacks on this forum as a whole. Ian is far too kind in putting up with your batsh.t crazy bullish.t. And your claims yesterday weren’t about fans here wanting to trade Brady in 2014, they were about fans here hating on Brady now, and you provided ZERO proof of that when called on it. You are just a loud mouthed @sshole who was having a deranged temper tantrum, nothing more. So either provide proof of what you were shrieking about or sh. t your ignorant pie hole and slink away. Let’s see that proof?

 

[Tunescribe]

Who gives one sh.t about Pro Bowl skills challenges? If you do then that’s what is actually embarrassing. What’s next, he couldn’t lip sync on Tik Tok?

Mac Jones had a very good season for a rookie QB, and he helped them significantly in getting back into the playoffs, that’s what matters, not stupid sh.t like this.

Wait a second. Rational reasoning isn't allowed here, not this soon after TB12's retirement. Isn't Mac Jones SUPPOSED to fail, get BB fired and prompt Bob Kraft to sell the team for relocation to London?

 

[Huckleberry1]

There is no OC and no QB coach.

It is asking a lot for the team to bring in both, and have them learn the system so well that they greatly improve the performance of a 2nd year quarterback.

And there is no E/P OC that is going to come in and improve Mac Jones, the candidates to do so are so bad that Mac Jones will have to overcome them and make the improvements on his own. As much as I detest the idea of changing offenses on a young QB I think it’s time to dump the E/P offensive system and find a smart young offensive mind to come in with a new system and start over from there. If Adam Gase and Bill O’Brien are the best they can do then the E/ P system has run its course and it’s time to update their offensive approach.

 

[PatsFanInVa]

Our fanbase is literally oblivious to what makes a good quarterback, who is a good quarterback, and who will be a good quarterback.

Bunch of us wanted to move on to Jimmy G / were happy to move from Tom / thought Tom was finished from like 2012 on / entertained Matt Cassel discussions after 2008 / now think Mac Jones is a franchise quarterback.

Spoiler alert: Josh Allen and Mac Jones will never be in the same category. Buffalo is going to continue to get more solid, more reliable, more dominant, because with their quarterback, you don’t have to pretend. You can literally just watch it happen, on television, right in front of you, in real time.

That's quite a charge. I mean, I could understand if you thought we're figuratively oblivious, but we're all literally oblivious? Dayum son. Them's some fightin' words.

I was okay with the Jimmy G thing, and immediately was 100% on-board with Tom when it turned out we were sticking with Tom. Probably one of the reasons why we got the next couple rings have to do with that drama... as does losing him when we did. He definitely felt okay with "Ok f*** those guys" eventually

Then football was fun again, until it wasn't. We missed a total of 1 SB season.

In everything other than wins and SB win -- and yes, perhaps some leadership intangibles that got us there -- Brady was not up to Jones' caliber in his first year. I think Brady, even at age 44 and retiring, is the better QB right now than either Mahomes or Allen. Allen's a good QB, and I think he's got a lot of good football left to play.

Boo hoo that in year 1, Jones is only among the top rookies to come out (and yes, some were league-beaters from day 1, statwise. Tom wasn't. He was win-wise.)

Obviously, any loudmouth fake fan can be "ahead of the curve" 9 times out of 10 by saying "You think the home team guy is going to excel but I think he'll just be okay."

It's always the odds-on bet that a player won't excel. What we can judge right now is whether there's the potential of excellence. There is. Is there potential to get stuck in the middle of the pack? Yeah of course. Is there potential for Jones to be this suck ass lower tier bottom feeder? I don't see it. He's shown he belongs, and that was in year 1. That itself was a pleasant surprise.

Patriots fans opinions of Allen are incredibly skewed. He killed us this year and he did in KC too (before Mahomes outdid him), but I watch the guy for 17 games because I live in Buffalo.

If he had to face the Cincy front, the Rams front, the 49ers front, he's a different QB. Don't be so impressed because you saw him against Wise Jr., Guy and a hurt Barmore, a one legged Hightower and a molasses slow Bentley.

I'm more worried that he'll dominate us because we can't build a decent defense than I am in awe of him potentially running over the league. He's not going to do it. He gets flustered and becomes incredibly inaccurate when pressured.

I'll only say that KC's D is not the best barometer either.

I do give Allen a lot of credit, one of the top QBs in the league, but I would--even today--take Mahomes and Herbert over him in the AFC.

Agree. He was red-hot, and we were crap. down the stretch, resulting in an epic, mythic-proportion beat-down. Of course it is always possible that we are now Buffalo's b*tch. Feh.

Forgot to quote, but Bigglesworth said "everybody loves the running QBs...."

Right? Another thing, running quarterbacks break. I have spoken.

 

[RobertWeathers]

And there is no E/P OC that is going to come in and improve Mac Jones, the candidates to do so are so bad that Mac Jones will have to overcome them and make the improvements on his own. As much as I detest the idea of changing offenses on a young QB I think it’s time to dump the E/P offensive system and find a smart young offensive mind to come in with a new system and start over from there. If Adam Gase and Bill O’Brien are the best they can do then the E/ P system has run its course and it’s time to update their offensive approach.

I'd rather find a fertile, innovative , young offensive mind and teach them E/P.

As you say teaching Mac another system which requires learning different terminology, combinations, concepts is way too much for a QB in Year 2 of his career. Keep in mind everyone on offense would need to learn it.

The system is fine. It's the people required to run it at a high-level which is required.

 

[Huckleberry1]

I'd rather find a fertile, innovative , young offensive mind and teach them E/P.

As you say teaching Mac another system which requires learning different terminology, combinations, concepts is way too much for a QB in Year 2 of his career. Keep in mind everyone on offense would need to learn it.

The system is fine. It's the people required to run it at a high-level which is required.

If that is realistic I would be fine with it, but then I have to ask myself why Belichick hadn’t groomed some young assistants over the past 5 years to do that? I agree with you in changing the system, it’s a really big deal, and it affects them in many ways, but I would rather see them make that change now, than wait 3-4 years and realize they should have done it now. If bringing back retreads is the best they can do my confidence in them getting back to the SB drops off significantly.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

LOL Mac threw a bad pick to Trevon Diggs in the skills competition yesterday...his throws needs more zip on them for sure

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