Patriots Player Departure Jimmy Garoppolo traded to SF for 2018 2nd round draft pick

[Nehalem]

A high second and a backup qb who knows the system and has started and won a bunch of nfl games is a lot more than nothing.

You probably shouldn't imply that Brian Hoyer is in anyway part of JG trade deal. As I am pretty sure that promising to release players if you complete a trade is against the rules.

Don't want the Pats losing another 1st rounder.

 

[Tunescribe]

There are plenty of explanations and they don’t require citing speculation by reporters and pretending it is fact. Please show me multiple reports that said they realistically considered franchising him. Please show me they could have gotten more last spring. In fact if they could have why wouldn’t that team have offered it yesterday? The proof those offers didn’t exist in the spring is that they still didn’t exist yesterday.

Your informed conjecture is no better than mine and if you've been paying attention you'd be aware of reports by Schefter and others that the franchise tag for JG was being considered, whatever it's worth. Do I have proof the Patriots were considering it, or that they passed on better offers for JG last spring? No, and you have no proof to the contrary. That leave us with matters of opinion as to what constitutes logical sense. We obviously differ there, owing to your belief in Brady's immortality and lack of perspective on what JG brings to the table.

Garoppolo was the backup. If Brady was injured he would have started. They really liked him as the backup. They kept him to the last possible minute to insure against a Brady injury. When the last minute arrived they traded the backup.

And why did they keep him until the last minute? Because as I stated earlier, contract negotiations failed and JG let it be known he no longer wanted to sit. The Patriots had no choice if they wanted any kind of reasonable compensation.

If Brady had a career ending injury then jag would have been the successor. Brady was never being moved out of the way for jimmy. If Jimmy’s contract lasted until Brady was done he would have been the successor. If jimmy took backup money to stay as the backup for however many more years Brady sticks around he could have been the successor. Now they find another successor.

I certainly agree with you that Brady "was never being moved out of the way for Jimmy," probably for the life of Brady's current contract. But that still does not preclude the possibility of Brady (A) suffering a catastrophic injury, (B) deciding to retire after another title or (C) Brady's skills notably eroding (which happens to QBs in their forties), necessitating a change. It is not beyond reason that, as slim as the possibility might have been, BB strove to keep JG under contract for those contingencies. What made him attempt doing so was being sold on JG's demonstrated ability as a potential franchise quarterback.

You have your heels dug in that BB never saw JG as Brady's prospective successor. That's your opinion, nothing more. But it's all moot anyway because JG forced he Patriots' hand.

 

[Triumph]

A high 2nd is nothing?

How does a 2nd help NE this season?

They could not keep Jimmy, but why trade him away now? The whole thing makes no sense.

 

[FourierSeries]

How does a 2nd help NE this season?

They could not keep Jimmy, but why trade him away now? The whole thing makes no sense.

How did a 3rd round pick for Collins help NE last season?

2016 turned out all right.

 

[Ras-IR Dowling]

How does a 2nd help NE this season?

They could not keep Jimmy, but why trade him away now? The whole thing makes no sense.

Sure it does. Pats exhausted all options of resigning jimmy and were not going to franchise him next season. Jimmy wanted to play and wouldn’t accept a team friendly deal. So do you want to lose him next year for a late 3rd comp pick or deal him now for a high 2nd?

 

[Ring 6]

Your informed conjecture is no better than mine and if you've been paying attention you'd be aware of reports by Schefter and others that the franchise tag for JG was being considered, whatever it's worth.

Please show me shefter and others saying this. And then explain why they didnt do it.

Do I have proof the Patriots were considering it, or that they passed on better offers for JG last spring? No, and you have no proof to the contrary.

There can only be proof of existence you cannot prove something didn’t happen. Lack of proof of existence is generally considered strong evidence it didn’t happen

That leave us with matters of opinion as to what constitutes logical sense. We obviously differ there, owing to your belief in Brady's immortality and lack of perspective on what JG brings to the table.

Owing to your ignorance, lobe of the unproven backup and lack of faith in thr GOAT.

And why did they keep him until the last minute? Because as I stated earlier, contract negotiations failed and JG let it be known he no longer wanted to sit. The Patriots had no choice if they wanted any kind of reasonable compensation.

Because he was insurance. Why cash in insurance early?

I certainly agree with you that Brady "was never being moved out of the way for Jimmy," probably for the life of Brady's current contract. But that still does not preclude the possibility of Brady (A) suffering a catastrophic injury, (B) deciding to retire after another title or (C) Brady's skills notably eroding (which happens to QBs in their forties), necessitating a change. It is not beyond reason that, as slim as the possibility might have been, BB strove to keep JG under contract for those contingencies.

Of course he did. It was always obvious that jimmy was here until bbs hand was forced. A good offer in April would have forced it. The best offer before the tradeline had to force it

What made him attempt doing so was being sold on JG's demonstrated ability as a potential franchise quarterback.

No. His hope that jag could develop into a good qb. That is a long long way from being sold on him being a franchise qb.

You have your heels dug in that BB never saw JG as Brady's prospective successor. That's your opinion, nothing more. But it's all moot anyway because JG forced he Patriots' hand.

My heels are not dug in at all.
He was the heir apparent. But Brady isn’t ready and jag certainly isn’t taking his job away.

Garoppolo didn’t force anyone’s hand. He simply said he wants to play and he can’t play here so he won’t sign an extension. Only an idiot would have expected him to.

 

[Ring 6]

You probably shouldn't imply that Brian Hoyer is in anyway part of JG trade deal. As I am pretty sure that promising to release players if you complete a trade is against the rules.

Don't want the Pats losing another 1st rounder.

I’m oretty sure my comments won’t result in a penalty and it’s obvious that is what happened. Why would you think it’s against the rules?

 

[Ring 6]

How does a 2nd help NE this season?

They could not keep Jimmy, but why trade him away now? The whole thing makes no sense.

This was their last chance to trade him. His contract expires after the season

 

[PatsFanSince74]

with stud qbs in this draft, why didn't SF just draft one with the 1st or 2nd overall pick and save their #2 pick? They must value Jimmy G much more obviously..

With an HC like Shanahan, they will be able to work Garoppolo in as a starter in a matter of weeks, where he will be able to play at as high a level as the rest of the Offense on the field and on the sidelines permits. Basically, the move saves them 10--12 months and gives them a higher probability of success.

I just hope he doesn't catch on too fast and help them win enough games to drop the pick! Here is their remaining schedule:
Sunday: ARI
11/12: NYG
11/19 Bye
11/26 SEA
12/3: @CHI
12/10: @HOU
12/17: TEN
12/24: JAX
12/31: LAR

Hard to imagine they'll start him this Sunday, but he does have experience playing the Cardinals.
I'd be surprised if they threw him into his first start against a good Giants D that is trying to save face, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see some playing time.
Can't think of a better place for his first SF start than Home in three weeks vs. the Seahawks after a Bye...he's prepped to play them before and probably knows more about them than anyone else on the SF Offense.

Some tough games against teams that will be in the Playoff hunt, but they'll have a lot better chance with him than without him.

 

[Froob]

JAG was being looked at as the QBOTF, and BB has made that pretty clear.
JAG preferred being the QBOTP on another team to continuing on as the QBOTF in New England.
TFB looks like he can be the QBOTP for years to come.
The Patriots were offered more for JAG in the offseason than they got yesterday, but they at least got a pick that should be a high second rounder.

With that, a trade makes sense. The only issue that anyone should be having is to question the wisdom of trading him in the offseason v. trading him now. Everything else is pretty cut and dry.

Well that and the Jacoby trade. If they get Hoyer he's very capable as long as he sticks around (who knows maybe he'll stick a while after being push through the ringer past few years?). Wonder if we could have given a pick for Dorsett and kept Jacoby. Or maybe Bill didn't care that much about keeping him in any scenario.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

With an HC like Shanahan, they will be able to work Garoppolo in as a starter in a matter of weeks, where he will be able to play at as high a level as the rest of the Offense on the field and on the sidelines permits. Basically, the move saves them 10--12 months and gives them a higher probability of success.

I just hope he doesn't catch on too fast and help them win enough games to drop the pick! Here is their remaining schedule:
Sunday: ARI
11/12: NYG
11/19 Bye
11/26 SEA
12/3: @CHI
12/10: @HOU
12/17: TEN
12/24: JAX
12/31: LAR

Hard to imagine they'll start him this Sunday, but he does have experience playing the Cardinals.
I'd be surprised if they threw him into his first start against a good Giants D that is trying to save face, but I wouldn't be surprised if he doesn't see some playing time.
Can't think of a better place for his first SF start than Home in three weeks vs. the Seahawks after a Bye...he's prepped to play them before and probably knows more about them than anyone else on the SF Offense.

Some tough games against teams that will be in the Playoff hunt, but they'll have a lot better chance with him than without him.

Interesting Barnwell piece about JG in the Kyle Shanahan offense. I think he brings up a useful point of comparison in Matt Ryan in 2015 - it wasn't an immediate success on the level of 2016 offensive powerhouse because it took time to get the system up and running from the QB on down through the whole offense.

It'll be interesting to see JG on a team that's already proven to be somewhere near utterly broken at 0-8. Not really possible for him to make the team worse. He's also only known teams that have a culture of winning regularly - wonder if that will affect him, or if he'll be part of an optimistic culture change.

 

[Oswlek]

Because it appears the Pats never presented this "starter" contract to Jimmy at all.
According to Adam Schefter: "His contract was going to be up, and New England had made efforts to sign him, re-sign him. I think the more they talked, the more they recognized that it was going to be too difficult to re-sign him. And so rather than have him walk away after the season ends, they decided to make the move now, to trade him for a second-round draft pick."

"Made efforts to sign him" is not the same thing as "presented a contract which he then rejected." "Made efforts" and "talked" is what you say when you reached no agreement, presented nothing of substance, and decided to jettison the project and move on.

The bold doesn't contradict Breer's report in any way. You are manufacturing conclusions that aren't there.

 

[PWRxWLF]

Here is my guess on what happened: BB wanted to keep Jimmy G in case TB fell off a cliff. In the meantime, they were asking for a first ( Future stud QB draft) for J.G. Brissett would've been the backup in 2017. They got no offers for JG they liked, Brissett was traded. The plan was to keep TB and JG all season. Alas, SF calls and offers up the best package they can probably get ( They probably knew no team would offer up a first). They take the offer because GOAT is still playing elite and JG likely would've walked ( Because they weren't going to move on from Brady) for nothing in the offseason. BB probably believes they are screwd either way ( Hoyer or JG) if Brady goes down. The plan is to ride him out and get as many SB's as possible.

In essence BB had to weigh possibly regressing ( 2018, 2019) for a chance at more SB's down the road or giving them a chance in 2017, 2018, 2019 to win with regression following. They decided Brady is worth holding onto over moving on from him in a season or so and going to Jimmy G.

How far off do y'all think I am? Close?

I think you’re pretty damn close. But it’s not exciting enough. Spice it up for the clicks!! Add some color to the bottom of this post.

 

[Bruins29]

I think you’re pretty damn close. But it’s not exciting enough. Spice it up for the clicks!! Add some color to the bottom of this post.

It ain't mean enough. Put some blood in there. Show somebody gettin' hurt. A groin injury.
Put a fukin' map of Florida in the background

 

[PWRxWLF]

It ain't mean enough. Put some blood in there. Show somebody gettin' hurt. A groin injury.
Put a fukin' map of Florida in the background

You win for the map of Florida. Well done!

 

[Soliel]

Why does everyone keep saying wed have got more before now? The stuff I'm reading says San frans offer is more

 

[mgteich]

How does a 2nd help NE this season?

They could not keep Jimmy, but why trade him away now? The whole thing makes no sense.

ROFL

You think that Jimmy would be worth more AFTER the season, after he was a free agent?

 

[Deus Irae]

BTW, according to the SF 49ers, the SF 49ers tried to trade for JAG this past offseason.

 

[Tunescribe]

Please show me shefter and others saying this.

You've got to be kidding. These three links just scratch the surface on all the speculation over JG possibly being franchised. READ, and be informed:

Jimmy Garoppolo rumors: ESPN's Adam Schefter does not think New England Patriots QB will leave after season

Why Adam Schefter Believes Jimmy Garoppolo Will Be On Patriots In 2018

Could Patriots use franchise tag on Garoppolo in 2018?

And then explain why they didnt do it.

No one knows for sure but the Patriots. Could be because it would've hamstrung them in free agency. Could be because JG no longer wants to sit. Could be because BB wanted to do it and Kraft said no.

Owing to your ignorance, lobe of the unproven backup and lack of faith in thr GOAT.

I have absolutely no lack of faith in Brady, he has been the greatest for many years and still is. Believe it or not, it's possible to revere Brady and acknowledge JG's potential for what it is. You somehow seem incapable of that. In fact, you're looking more irrational with each successive post. Who is YOUR backup? Better get him warming up!

It was always obvious that jimmy was here until bbs hand was forced. A good offer in April would have forced it. The best offer before the tradeline had to force it

OR, JG forced it by breaking off contract talks and demanding to get a shot at starting -- somewhere -- in 2018. NBSBH just reported BB had been meeting weekly with JG even during this season. I think you've misjudged BB's interest in him.

Purely media speculation, but it also has been suggested that BB was so sold on JG that he was open to moving on from Brady in 2018 but Kraft overruled this because he promised Brady he'll be a Patriot for life. I'm only passing along what I heard via media. Not my opinion or hope, but possibly true.

My heels are not dug in at all. He was the heir apparent. But Brady isn’t ready and jag certainly isn’t taking his job away.

So if you're admitting he was heir apparent, doesn't that elevate his status in the organization above a mere backup? They certainly acted that way.

Garoppolo didn’t force anyone’s hand. He simply said he wants to play and he can’t play here so he won’t sign an extension. Only an idiot would have expected him to.

Does that make BB an idiot for trying to resign him? JG did force BB's hand by putting him in a position of having to deal him now for reasonable compensation. Actually, a solid argument could've been made for keeping JG for the balance of this season regardless.

 

[mgteich]

BOTTOM LINE

1) Belichick got what he could for Brissett (who he didn't want for the future). Dorsett has been an adequate #4, and could be more later this year and next.

2) Belichick got what he could for JAG, about the same as before the season (a high second compared to high second and change). For this small difference, the team had JAG as insurance for 8 games.

3) For the folks who think that Belichick is giving up on the season if he doesn't make a big splash signing today, I have no words, other than to say that Brissett and JAG weren't helping us get to the Super Bowl this year. Also, we're 6-2.

4) Finally, Belichick will likely sign Hoyer (or Kaepernick or Grayson or his personal choice) through 2018 or later, solving the backup issue for 2018 (after receiving compensation for the two QB's we had that had no future here). Just BTW, Belichick would do a favor to the league by signing Kaepernick, as he is ready to sue if he isn't signed (his agent expect him to signed in the next 10 days).